To Producers: Every consider filming tickling in your videos like action in a movie?

The following is an excerpt from a post in another thread slightly reworded for my own post. But I want to know if anybody here has thought of doing this. It could be a big thing to try in this community.

Here's an observation I've made. In a professional fight, even though there are controls in place, much like an adult video, people are seeing something real happening and filmed in a manner that's appealing to the eye. When a fight is filmed for a movie or dramatization, we know it's fake, but people appreciate the ways to film something that is fake and make it look real, or like all the action is happening in real time, if it's not. That is the art of movie making!

I wonder why companies don't do that more often in adult cinema, just cut and change perspectives/frames when filming a person, either focusing only on the ticklish areas, or use different ticklish people who are about the same size and wearing the same clothes in order to create the illusion that one person is really being worked over. If filmed properly, people would really get immersed and enjoy it! Anybody in film school could do it.

But this hasn't been the case of movie making in the world of mainstream adult videos since the 70s and 80s. Nobody wants to spend money immersing somebody's imagination to make something look perfect, they just hire whatever person they can find to do something they're not passionate about. It is a shame that that art is not practiced in the current adult film world. It maintained the idea of our dreams actually being manifested through film. That's the beauty of film, right?

A lot of people have either attempted or expressed an interest in doing so, but by and large the general reaction is either apathy or annoyance that "the whackoff videos are trying to get fancy". Because these kinds of videos aren't cheap to make and the niche is so small as is, a hyper specialized video really isn't going to be worth the considerable additional effort for something that could in all actuality just serve to frustrate the target audience.

I do agree it'd be interesting to see done a few times, but I can't see many people bothering investing the time, money or effort into something that wouldn't amount to much more than a unique vanity project.

Hollywood is an industry full of people who make amazing things reality everyday, with sound engineering, visual technology, stunt doubles and of course camerawork. It's an art, and all an illusion. People here are just as captivated and spend billions on that yearly. Shoot, people watch movies together just to see a rehearsed sex scene, spark up their sex lives and get ideas. I mean, look at Fifty Shades of Grey. Look at the Romantic movies in general. It may not get a major audience AT FIRST, but there's clearly an audience for this, even among niche communities.

And not to go too far off topic in my own thread, but I've also always wondered why some people consider watching adult movies similar to cheating on a spouse, but couples often watch romantic movies giving dreams of being with somebody completely different than the one they're with. It's hypocrisy, isn't it? Anyway, as a lover of film, I believe that anything can be improved with effort, IF THEY WANTED TO, including the videos advertised here. Adult movie making doesn't have to be a limited style of film making. But in many industries, people who control it want the bar lowered so they don't have to be compared to somebody doing somebody different or special and possibly put out more effort. This is how I explain the backlash from ALL sorts of movie companies and directors who get criticized by fans. Personally, I believe in art. Like all film, not everything costs a lot of money. But obviously, not everybody wants to use the time or actors to make this happen, it's not their interest. I'd love to see this done one day.

I think I know what you mean here. Editing in short inset shots and close ups along with wide shots. So you might have a long shot of the ticklee wriggling in her restraints, a close up of her face, then the tickler comes into view, close up of their smiling face and maybe a taunt, then close up of the tickler's hands unlacing a sneaker, tugging off a sock. Close up of the ticklee's face, begging not to be tickled etc.

I've no idea how difficult something like this would be to do but I can't imagine the margins on these clips are that great and then when you factor in piracy, I wonder if all the extra effort would be worth it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see stuff shot like this but I suspect it would only be possible for specific customs where the producer/rigger/director/tickler has the technical know-how to do it.

If anyone could do it, it would be FTKL

Yes, well, it would probably mostly be a project done out of passion to say the least, as piracy is a problem for all content creators. But what if this was done not JUST as something to be consumed by somebody of this community, but as part of a bigger story, like part of a structured film with a story. As something to be downloaded on Youtube or Netflix or whatever platform would host a film like that. A real effort.

This might be getting a little ahead of myself, but here's some examples. Imagine, filming a tickling scene like the Last Precinct sawing in half scene, but with even MORE focus on the feet tickling, and showing somebody in half being tickled. That's enough people's fantasy for feet, if not tickling, to fill some seats in a theatre or get a few downloads.

Or stories of tickling many of us only hear about but very few have experiences, brought to life. The so called "perfect" tickle, simulated with close ups, maybe recorded laughs, doubles sitting in for the actual actress, etc. Making a fantasy a reality with professionals.

Or extremely dangerous bondage scenarios that would be much better portrayed fabricated, but would bring some of the fantasies that so far we've only seen in drawings to life.

Just bring the story that people usually don't focus on, and make a film that goes this direction often, and you would probably have something that would be produced and protected by a Hollywood Production company, if only a small one. That seems to speak for more than a single person's copyright claim in these things. The thing is, you'd have to make a whole film to get that kind of protection.

But obviously, with a little skill and the right actors and direction, the film could be done simply because it interested somebody.

FTKL isn't the only person that comes to mind. Many studios have stories to their videos and have a knack for filming the tickling from various angles to get the best perspective that the audience would enjoy. But the effects, while I see where they're going, are hurried. And for what I'm talking about, a lot could be done in editing to make a tickling session that went "ok" look "amazing", if they wanted to fully embrace the idea of fantasy as opposed to a legit session. My point is, if they can make a better fantasy than a filmed session, then maybe they should. As long as they advertise that's what it is and put in a good amount of effort to make it look good, it could be great. It would be cool to see that some of the talent here in the industry have the ability to do that.

Have you ever tried to get people to watch a film/video you made, of any kind?

Crefl1n said:

...But obviously, with a little skill and the right actors and direction...

It would be cool to see that some of the talent here in the industry have the ability to do that.

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The market is not mainstream and therefore the money will always be in short supply. That means for the most part only those passed over for success in both acting and production would be willing and available. There are lines to learn, emotions to convey, and this would eliminate a huge proportion of adult film performers.

I've occasionally dabbled in the adult video industry myself out of necessity, and in a few decades of intermittent 'performances' have only met one woman who could be called an actual, properly trained actress. This was when I was living in England, and in conversation with her realised that although we'd not encountered one another while I was doing so, I'd taught stage combat at the (reasonably good, but certainly not RADA) drama school where she'd studied. She was attractive, albeit extremely tall (6'4") but the mainstream hadn't been kind to her so instead she did non-penetrative porn, mainly bondage, splosh and spanking but some tickling films. http://www.uktickling.com/models/ariel-anderssen . Pirated versions of her films are difficult to find on the net because her husband, who runs a British bondage site called 'Restrained Elegance' (https://www.restrainedelegance.com/) is pretty obsessive about not letting anyone look at her for free, and always makes sure that any pirated clips of her are taken down.

And her name CERTAINLY isn't 'Ariel Anderssen'. Anyway, my point being (and how the elderly ramble...) that with the death of porn cinemas and the rise of ten minute clips unfortunately for those who'd like to see them there's no real market for anything elaborate or expensive anymore. Yes, it could be done but no-one of sense is going to back a film that will definitely never repay its investors.

Triclops said:

Have you ever tried to get people to watch a film/video you made, of any kind?

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No, not personally. While very creative, I don't consider myself a film maker and have never even organized people to make a film. That doesn't mean that I don't know how it's done. I don't see "fitting into the industry" as the means to MAKE something. I'm passionate about independent film making. I've followed the careers and had the opportunity to talk to some people who have made a career out of it. I don't think that anything is impossible, if there's a will, and imagination, there's a way to make it happen. It doesn't mean that there will be profit in the end, either for the creator or the actors, but if you FIND the people who are interested in it just for the art, or to just have something under their resume, it can be done!

Not trying to divert too much from tickling, but I just finished reading a book by James Rolfe, the Angry Video Game Nerd, a famous game reviewer on Youtuber. Most of the films he made in his life were made with friends and volunteers from College. When he was originally becoming famous, at one point he was on unemployment because his work did not offer profit, he just did it because people liked his work. He and his friends only started making money from 8 years after he made his first video, after making nearly 100 popular videos. Same with Sam Raimi, who originally mad movies with just his friends and a Super 8 camera. He filmed the prequel to "Evil Dead" called "Within The Woods" with only $1600, an empty cabin and permission from a theater in Detroit to host the movie. Just like John Waters used to do. Many Independent film makers STILL do this, find SOMEBODY to show their film. That's the kind of passion for FILMMAKING I'm talking about, where whether it GAINS popularity or not, the important point for the creator that their art SEEN and had an impact on somebody.

To bring this full circle, now, his movie(s) in his portfolio, NOT HIS INCOME, got investors attention and Sam Raimi is known as the director for the iconic first 3 Spiderman movies. And there's too many more success stories to mention. Quentin Tarantino, George Romero, Robert Rodriguez, even directors like George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, etc. It doesn't matter what genre, it can be done if you have passion and the right people. Anything can be done if you put your mind to it. In the world of film making, stop seeing the dollar signs and see what it is that you have to create. You make what needs to be seen and heard, don't pay for what needs to exist hypothetically. You don't need an IMAX camera to make a good movie. Just imagination!

I admit, I am not experienced at film making. AT THE MOMENT. Life hit me like a bag of bricks and my 20's are behind me. But I have no family responsibilities and I seeing my ideas take shape outside of my mind or on paper so that some broader audience can experience them. It's not the most important thing in the world that what I'm talking about with filming tickling happens in this community, my point is that it CAN be done.

I don't want to insult anybody, but it really takes somebody who is passionate about something to see that and make it happen. In regards to adult movies specifically, some of you are too absorbed in systemic ideas on what is acceptable or possible and too focused on money. Don't be focused on money and look for the people who aren't focused on money. If it takes funding, you may not find it from a Producer who wants to guard the Industry from something that threatens them. You may find it from a company who just wanted the free advertisement in his movie. Unless I'm mistaken, directors like Ed Wood did this. Some people may not have like his movies, but they GOT MADE. If you keep limiting yourself, you'll never change anything that needs to be changed.

So yeah, there's my two cents. It could be done. It could be something cool. And although it would take some skill, there's people here spend more money and time on hiring people for private sessions or group meetings than it might take to make their own movie. I'm not a film maker, but I'm just presenting the idea to others out there who have shown SOME interest in the camera if not film.

Crefl1n said:

I don't want to insult anybody, but it really takes somebody who is passionate about something to see that and make it happen. In regards to adult movies specifically, some of you are too absorbed in systemic ideas on what is acceptable or possible and too focused on money. Don't be focused on money and look for the people who aren't focused on money. If it takes funding, you may not find it from a Producer who wants to guard the Industry from something that threatens them. You may find it from a company who just wanted the free advertisement in his movie. Unless I'm mistaken, directors like Ed Wood did this. Some people may not have like his movies, but they GOT MADE. If you keep limiting yourself, you'll never change anything that needs to be changed.

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I understand what you're saying, and for the record I have entertained the idea myself, but particularly given some of your phrasing I feel like you need to be "brought back to reality", so to speak. In order for this to actually happen, someone would need to;

1. Have enough free time to accomplish it
2. Find at least two or three other people willing to spend time on it
3. If they're models? You'll need to pay their rates for days worth of shooting
4. If they're not? You need to realize you'll likely get shitty acting
5. Wanna try and get "actual actors" to do it? You'll need to explain to them what exactly they're doing, or go the Gitchy route and repeatedly, unconvincingly it's "totally not fetish shit" while the entire rest of the planet understands you're lying.
6. Have the movie making capability to actually make it worth a fuck. People keep bringing up FTKL, and god love him, but I don't see him ever making anything that is going to be considered an "indie darling" film.

People are too focused on money because there is literally no way to make anything worthwhile with this idea that will come without a pricetag. The absolute best case scenario? You're describing a tickle fetish equivalent of one of those Channel Awesome "anniversary team up" movies with people that are all at NEST or something, who would have already been congregating, and are all already comfortable with being tickled.

Again, I don't think the idea is entirely unrealistic, but understand you're asking about it in a way like a kid would ask "Why don't they just make a Pokemon that play like Grand Theft Auto with some elements of Fortnite", and not really understanding that the answer to that question is "Because of hundreds of legitimate reasons".

Your reasons sound more like excuses to not try, you're talking yourself out of it. There's a choice we all have to make with all things in life, to try or not. If you honestly don't believe that YOU could pull something off, or it's not even important enough to try, by all means don't, because you're already limiting yourself.

The reason I posed my initial question was to see if anybody here with a camera ever thought of doing something different other than the industry standard, if not only for their own personal interest. I wanted to see if people had considered using filming techniques to literally make a clip/movie that CREATES the illusion of good tickling as opposed to filming a genuinely enjoyable session. Everything would be completely contrived, but made to look convincing, adding story ONLY if it was what was necessary to immerse the audience.

The whole conversation about making it either the focus or part of a movie was for the people who wouldn't do anything without guaranteed income or being financed from investors. But the whole purpose of this thread was to share the idea and was always ENCOURAGE people that this could be done, to empower them with a can-do attitude.

Everything that you're saying, that that actors would suck, that it would HAVE to be a terrible movie concept like "Gitchee", that you'd have to find people who only did it for money, that's just not the attitude of a film maker or a survivor. You use your head, you think and you make things work. If it's a struggle, then it's a struggle. But it happens because you want it to, not because it's easy.

I've had a movie project in my head for years that would require actors to create. Granted, it's not an adult movie, but I don't want to tell a story about average people and it would be a unique acting role. I've come to the conclusion that the appropriate applicants simply MIGHT NOT be normal people, that I might have look for people to fit the role in communities or even subcultures who aren't necessarily actors, but were interested and could be directed. You have to be flexible.

In the case of adult movies, especially one that is experimental and isn't guaranteed to make income, yes, most professional actors are not interested in being involved with them having that show up in the media one day or make it part of their resume. And I wouldn't encourage that even to a starving aspiring SAG actor. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there interested not only in tickling, but in just BEING in something that will be seen. The root joy of film makers and actors alike as artists is that their work and participation in something was seen.

Whatever kind of project it is, it wouldn't have to require lying to people, just find the ones who genuinely want to be a part of it, who are as enthusiastic about the premise as you are. Everybody has bills and responsibilities, but there are people who just want to be a part of something important or want to do something fun. The actors may just enjoy SEEING and learning about the process of a movie being made. Shoot, Yaqi the tickler, the Howard Stern alumnus here, just put an ad in the paper for women who wanted to be tickled. He didn't film all of them, but he got takers. My point is that "there's somebody out there for everybody". If you have given up hope for that and decide that you don't believe that, then you'll stop looking and claim that something is "impossible", telling others that it's not possible because you have made it impossible for yourself. That mindset makes it so much harder for yourself and is a large part of the problem.

As for the level of acting, the kind of tickling movies I'm talking about would be completely contrived, but that only opens the door for more liberties editing that world makes the final product, something staged, but immersive and made to be enjoyable. There are plenty of situations where actors, both extras and even stars whose voices get dubbed over if a director finds them unbelievable.

As for time, some ideas stay on the shelf for YEARS, even decades until the right people are found to perform in roles or help with creation to make the product they want. But they don't give up on it, and that'd the only reason that it happens.

You're literally refusing to understand the reality of the effort involved in putting together any kind of creative project.

Why haven't you done it if it's that easy? You seem more "driven" than any lazy ass producer out there. C'mon, show us how it's done. Oh what's that? Life got too hard for a while? You're too old now? Sounds like you're just trying to talk yourself out of it...

Anyone else remember “Tickle Night”?

It was a pioneer in the genre of cinematic-themed tickling. Like 20 years ago. Never saw anything like that before. The same producer made a spy based movie, but I don’t remember much of that. Other than the anticipation.

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For me, the fewer the production values, the more authentic the tickling seems. Just give me decent audio and video. I don't need snappy dialogue, complicated plots, and lavish setups. Don't let the tickling get lost in the shuffle amid frippery.

Hey, I saw that you released a video recently with Bri as a lamp post. This is a simple and innovative idea, if not just uncommon, that relates to what I'm talking about. Going a different route altogether with a model, and a few graphical effects for immersion to get the most add to the imaginative aspect of this. Very fun and well made concept!

Tickle resistance is a great topic. Another studio called "The Tickle Room" has a video where they tickled a cosplayer named Ray dressed up as Raven from the Teen Titans. She did a great job portraying the character and trying to stay in that role while being tickled made for a great video. Since that's how the character Raven probably would react, it was that much better of a concept. It created more of a struggle for her to act and maintain composure than if she had been out of character, recreating in one's imagination, the more credible idea that this was a spot on portrayal of the actual character being tickled. All it took was a good cosplayer in the right role and the right concept. Another example of a very well executed concept that just takes a little creativity.

I don't necessarily expect a studio to make things for only one person's request, or to pull ALL the stops, but I just want to say that what you created was seen and appreciated. Good stuff!

OmahaTickler said:

For me, the fewer the production values, the more authentic the tickling seems. Just give me decent audio and video. I don't need snappy dialogue, complicated plots, and lavish setups. Don't let the tickling get lost in the shuffle amid frippery.

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I don't agree but I know that at least 50% of the people think that way.
I am telling you : There is NOTHING about having a good image quality or having several camera angles that has to do with the model ticklishness.

Now for the question of the thread :

- Is it possible to better film the tickling action ? Yes, you just need to add cameras and/or have a cameraman to move a little.
But it is a lot more work in the editing part. 2 cams some studios do it actually, 3 Cams I don't think I've seen it

Lol I was just talking with Primetime about this in PMs. I would love to do a cinematic style tickling “movie”. Like an action film or dark style indie film. Problem is finding ticklish models good at acting and money. I can definitely shoot it and edit it. But need all the other parts to fit. Still on my to do list. I have friends that cosplay that are ticklish and cosplay style tickling is something I wanted to get into as well along these same lines. Ahhh so much ideas and so little time.


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People won't mind bad acting

kingmaker said:

People won't mind bad acting

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A great many will.