To Phineas:
"But wait, what if we-"
"We could totally-"
"This should-"
"Butbutbut if the guy next to me is getting hit with glitter than that would totally let me tickle his girlfriend and no one would be the wiser!"
First of all, who, or at least, when did I myself, even say those words or put it that way?
For you to put words into quotations that someone never said is trolling at it's finest. But with a lot of your posts, many people here have come to expect that from you.
There are several problems with tickling at Renfaires, that have been talked about for decades now. You have a valid point about it being done to unsuspecting people to sell videos of them being wrong.
Personally, I'm neither for nor against the public use of stocks at Faires. In the case of tickling specifically, forced bondage and tickling is not cool. That's the conclusion that I think people were coming to in this discussion (even though it's not what the original poster started the thread for).
Also, I wasn't saying that people SHOULD get tickled in the stocks. If anything, I actually said that people could and SHOULD be doing other things with their companions in the stocks. The focus on feet and tickling wouldn't be fun for everyone.
The reason I decided to chime in on this was in answer to Wolf's hypothetical question, which was "why would anyone who's responsible for running a Faire allow some rando come in and do this? What's the rationale, from a non-fetish perspective?". I made a case for this, because I believe that there COULD in fact something appealing about this from a non fetish perspective. So I defended the idea that it COULD be seen as beneficial by a Faire owner.
Also, I just don't like being told that something is impossible when it isn't. Especially if by itself, it isn't wrong.
The truth is that the fun with stocks CAN be quite innocent. But people can get off to ANYTHING. That's the nature of sexuality. On one hand, there's not much we can do about it except enjoy things the way we want to and try to ignore what other people are doing.
So the question is, is it EVER ok to intentionally seek to sexualize people from a secondhand perspective as long as they don't know about it?
The anonymous nature of the internet DOES often allow people to avoid accountability for ignoring the violation of ethics by watching something at someone else's expense.
There is another discussion to have on the matter that we could be having about the fact that fetishists are the ones primarily enjoying it with unsuspecting people that I was preparing today, and I'll be HAPPY to start a discussion about it. Honestly, my responding to this thread the other day was a half cocked attempt to distract myself, I wasn't focused on covering all of the bases of the morality of "getting off" to things unbeknownst to people.
But IF a fetishist was present somewhere, had no camera and simply saw something they were attracted to happening, either closely or from afar, I'm hoping that you wouldn't seriously call a person who noticed and watched a sexually arousing thing happening in public a "creep".
Even if they are nothing more than passing bystanders at a PUBLIC demonstration?
Because I admit that this site was the last place I thought I would find people hypocritically pointing fingers at basic human nature to feel better about themselves.
Getting handsy is one thing. But if people experiencing internalized sexual excitement in public alone is creepy to you, then I don't think that you'll find much quarter anywhere on Earth but countries that impose strict laws on citizens to avoid any sexual arousal outside of a bedroom with their spouse. I'm not saying that those customs can't serve a purpose to some people. But I personally believe that in a free country, that lifestyle with a lack of freedoms should be reserved for people who CHOOSE to live that way.
Yes, RECORDING someone being tickled in stocks without their permission is disrespectful to someone's privacy and illegal if they agreed in no way to be recorded. And if they DID agree to be recorded, it could still be viewed as inconsiderate to share media of the event online.
The funny thing is that people do this all the time now. Almost all streamed videos, aside from violating copyright laws, violate the agreement models make with studios that their content will only be shared by INDIVIDUALS who purchase a video for personal use. But most people here have viewed their content, unbeknownst to their knowledge. Does that make most people here creeps, or just thieves? Something to think about that I'll save my point for in another discussion.
But there really are few limits to what can be done between people who discuss an idea, come to a mutual understanding and agree to do something.
No, the stocks aren't inherently a peep show. But once again defending the HYPOTHETICAL scenario of pitching this idea to a Faire owner, IF some adults decided to set up some stocks and invite people to get into them to take photos, or for money or a prize, knowing they would be recorded to have videos sold, IF ALL PARTIES AGREE, and if it drew a crowd, I don't see why that idea would be hard to pitch to a Faire owner or how THAT could possibly hurt anyone. I've only seen promos of it, but that is what the studio "Stimulating Feet" says they're doing.
I don't think that anybody here is trying to perpetuate the existing system of exploiting people. They're trying to CHANGE it in a way that people here might ethically enjoy it. If there is something cool that could come out of this, if it doesn't happen here with discussion, then it very well COULD happen again with somebody taking advantage of people. So we SHOULD be able to talk about it in a civil manner to see if maybe it can be done.