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The Value of Personal Disclosures.

Capnmad

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This thread is being started to redirect traffic from FlockofSeagulls' thread questioning the worth of mundane topics. A tangent has formed regarding the questioning the importance of personal disclosures in a public forum, and so, we continue that discussion here rather than hijacking Flock's thread.

Capnmad said:
Do I detect a strawman in the fog? Or was someone's eulogy somehow hurtful to you or someone else?
Like I said, I never read threads that have titles that suggest TMI.

Not the point. The point was your initial criticism of eulogies and then you shifting ground to the more easily defensible criticism of undefined "personal things", of which, I think no one here would deny that there are personal things that should not be discussed publicly and it ranges from Social Security Numbers to some bedroom behavior and beyond. But then, no one was arguing that. You're bringing up general "personal things" to knock it down, rather than defending your attack on eulogies, it seems. Hence, strawman.

But that's okay. It's better to let your thoughts evolve and let yourself defend what you mean to rather than to stand stubbornly and try to defend the indefensible.


I think you're missing my point, which is that a public message board is a lot more like a collection of strangers than some people think. Yes, there are people here who are here all the time and people develop online friendships. I suggest that people consider sharing their most personal business with those people privately. What would be the difference, if the goal is to share one's innermost felings with one's online friends?

How do you think those bonds are formed initially if not with some personal disclosures that make you relatable and approachable? Creating bonds requires a give and take of interest, inquiry, and disclosure. Without these things, there would be no friends here, and it would be the digital version of the impersonal street corner you describe, and rightfully so, because no one would know the other.

How do you think people get to know each other here? Not through gatherings and personal meetings alone, I assure you. There's something even before that.

And until you have those disclosures, identify that common ground and build those bonds, you won't have those friends you're recommending that people just contact privately.



Also, the suggestion that uncomfortable personal posts and random mundane posts are better done here than discussed with "real friends" is still unaddressed. If someone's "real friends" don't want to be bothered, why inflict those things on others? THAT just smacks of selfishness. At any rate, you'll have to agree that you can't have it both ways.

Oftentimes, especially in emotionally intense events, contacting friends directly (as you suggest) carries an obligation to respond, and to console -- because they are your friends, and especially because you've contacted them specifically.

Making a more general public announcement obligates no one. Friends can contribute and console, but with it being a general announcement and not one directed toward anyone specifically, it carries less, if any, sense of obligation with it.

You note yourself that anything that suggests an announcement of "TMI" you avoid. Excellent. That's how it should be -- clearly marked and that you can avoid it if you're not interested. No obligation.

I suspect if a friend contacted you directly about a recent trauma, however, you would feel a greater obligation to respond. That obligation is not so much a function of friendship, but because they're specifically contacting you which is demanding of a response by virtue of your friendship.

A general announcement to friends and strangers alike allows friends to be informed but without the specific burden to respond that more directed contact carries. It seems, then, that public announcement is, in fact, less selfish.

But all opinions are welcome.
 
hmm some people have to complain about everything it seems..who cares what people post? dayum..i've said this before..if you don't like what someone posts, for god's sake use your ignore button...i never saw so much stupidity over mundane things..the person who started the mundane thread had reassured me in a pm that he never hardly thinks of this forum..that he can go along perfectly happy not logging in for months..so why start a thread about mundane posts? to be a trouble maker plain and simple...

that being said..smarterthanme misquoted my post as usual....i didn't say that i don't vent to my "real" friends..that instead i unload here..that isn't what i meant at all...what i did say was that sometimes you can't do it forever, and it's nice to vent somewhere online..also i have some very true and dear friends online..they vent to me..i vent to them...

i'm wondering..why do some care how much some one else spends online? that's something i never could understand...

here is a mundane sentence...i'm suffering a chronic infection..it's slowly getting better..while fighting it, i spent more time online than i had intended to this last month..however it's better now...

o and my husband is my best friend..and i do tell him everything..

i wonder if this thread will still be on page one when i return from my thanksgiving vacation...probably so...however i won't care..as this is my last post here...i came back..i tried..those friends i do have, my true friends..and yes they are online friends...i will continue to talk to them on yahoo...i have a mix of off and online friends..i will say that my very best friend..two of them..i met online..they know who they are..i love them dearly..and would go to the ends of the earth for them...so much for being selfish..

ciao...arivi derci...asta la vista baby...whatever...i'm done here..
 
so why start a thread about mundane posts? to be a trouble maker plain and simple...

Now, I don't know about that Izzie... I believe in the endless curiosity and desire for knowledge of human beings, and find that question completely justifiable within those parameters, and without it meaning to be a "troublemaking" question at all. It's exactly those sorts of drives that I feel helped keep me alive in a very dark period of my life some years ago.

And I don't see evidence that the OP of that thread is any sort of a bad guy.

But I'm glad you won over your infection, I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, sound judgement, and a sense of welcome, should you decide to come back.

Take care.

And now, on with the show...
 
hmm some people have to complain about everything it seems..who cares what people post? dayum..i've said this before..if you don't like what someone posts, for god's sake use your ignore button...i never saw so much stupidity over mundane things..the person who started the mundane thread had reassured me in a pm that he never hardly thinks of this forum..that he can go along perfectly happy not logging in for months..so why start a thread about mundane posts? to be a trouble maker plain and simple...

that being said..smarterthanme misquoted my post as usual....i didn't say that i don't vent to my "real" friends..that instead i unload here..that isn't what i meant at all...what i did say was that sometimes you can't do it forever, and it's nice to vent somewhere online..also i have some very true and dear friends online..they vent to me..i vent to them...

i'm wondering..why do some care how much some one else spends online? that's something i never could understand...

here is a mundane sentence...i'm suffering a chronic infection..it's slowly getting better..while fighting it, i spent more time online than i had intended to this last month..however it's better now...

o and my husband is my best friend..and i do tell him everything..

i wonder if this thread will still be on page one when i return from my thanksgiving vacation...probably so...however i won't care..as this is my last post here...i came back..i tried..those friends i do have, my true friends..and yes they are online friends...i will continue to talk to them on yahoo...i have a mix of off and online friends..i will say that my very best friend..two of them..i met online..they know who they are..i love them dearly..and would go to the ends of the earth for them...so much for being selfish..

ciao...arivi derci...asta la vista baby...whatever...i'm done here..


Well, I WAS going to PM you, but apparently I've been put on your ignore list too. I thought I told you last year that I refuse to get involved with other peoples feuds around here. You have no right to be angry with me because I won't hate who you hate. I have always liked you. But I have also always liked those you are having problems with. This is between you and them!

Seriously! Is there some fucking useless adendum in this forum that I'm not aware of??????? So, if I have somebody that I get along with begin to hate somebody else I get along with then I guess by this obscure law I have to take the side of the first person who PM's me!

Fuck this fucking forum sometimes!

I've already got some pompus, self rightious, arrogant little bitch who's cage I rattled a few weeks ago (for reasons I have yet defined) develop a serious hate on for me from some sweeping post I probably made a month ago and she took offense to, and is now on some half-assed demented vendetta under the guise of "collected calm" to get me back.

You, know. Some people here are flat-out freaks!

And now, izzy, I've got this shit from you! Just like the aforementioned-for nothing!

Tough shit, people. I'm not leaving. Get used to it.
 
Real quick request, folks... This is a discussion thread on the merits of personal disclosures, and not a place for whatever this is between you all to keep going. Please take it private or let it go. I strongly suggest the latter.
 
:wow:Hello to everyone in this thread. :wow:

I think the General Discussion board has a mixture of ordinary posts. The reason for this is because we are ordinary people. Our different interests, backgrounds, jobs, and lives are what give all of us ideas for threads. We can't expect every thread to be an extraordinary one. That's ridiculous.

If we never share anything with each other because we are afraid of being criticized, I think this forum would be a very different place. If a member needs to post about something personal, it might seem very important to him/her, and quite unimportant to others. So what?

There have been quite a number of members who have gone through a personal trauma. A loved one passes, a serious illness strikes, a job is lost; bad things happen. A marriage happens, a baby arrives, a 40th birthday is celebrated; good things happen. I like hearing about these events because it gives me a chance to get to know others a little bit. I have internet friends on this forum; the friendships just sort of developed naturally.

I understand the need to make a general announcement about an event in our lives. It doesn't pressure any one member to "be there for you." Instead, it gives anyone who wants to respond a chance to do so. Making an announcement about a personal struggle or accomplishment is a perfectly sound action.

Anyone who starts a thread which addresses personal issues must realize that not everyone is caring, or understanding, or going to respond in a kind way. This is something I've come to accept. This is also true in every aspect of life.
 
:wow:Hello to everyone in this thread. :wow:

I think the General Discussion board has a mixture of ordinary posts. The reason for this is because we are ordinary people. Our different interests, backgrounds, jobs, and lives are what give all of us ideas for threads. We can't expect every thread to be an extraordinary one. That's ridiculous.

If we never share anything with each other because we are afraid of being criticized, I think this forum would be a very different place. If a member needs to post about something personal, it might seem very important to him/her, and quite unimportant to others. So what?

There have been quite a number of members who have gone through a personal trauma. A loved one passes, a serious illness strikes, a job is lost; bad things happen. A marriage happens, a baby arrives, a 40th birthday is celebrated; good things happen. I like hearing about these events because it gives me a chance to get to know others a little bit. I have internet friends on this forum; the friendships just sort of developed naturally.

I understand the need to make a general announcement about an event in our lives. It doesn't pressure any one member to "be there for you." Instead, it gives anyone who wants to respond a chance to do so. Making an announcement about a personal struggle or accomplishment is a perfectly sound action.

Anyone who starts a thread which addresses personal issues must realize that not everyone is caring, or understanding, or going to respond in a kind way. This is something I've come to accept. This is also true in every aspect of life.


As others have said before, you hit the nail right on the head Helena. Very articulate and eloquent post on your behalf! 🙂
 
Whatever, you guys. Some of you agree with me, others do not. This is a highly subjective issue and I've made my view abundantly clear. That's all I can do.
 
I'll post anything I feel the need to post about my life. If everybody stops replying, I'll take the hint that nobody cares, and move on to another forum.

Random news topics are good, but what's a community if we don't know each other?


Posts about lives of members here share a little bit of information every time they are read, and read enough of them, you got a pretty good idea of what the person behind the screen name is like. From there, the sky is the limit.
 
Random news topics are good, but what's a community if we don't know each other?
WE - DON'T - KNOW - EACH - OTHER. We are an ONLINE, VIRTUAL community. That is NOT the same as a real community, like a neighborhood.

It doesn't MATTER if you say things here that you wouldn't say to your neighbors. The fact is that you do not KNOW someone by virtue of what they choose to type. You know someone by personal interaction with them. By looking at them in their eyes and conversing with them. By reading their body language and inflections. By their actions. By seeing how they treat a waiter in a restaurant. By how they treat others.

Do you know how many people meet their "online love" only to find out that they created 90% of the "chemistry" in their own head? Christ, I've even heard of people meeting their one true love from online and finding out they lied about their gender!
 
WE - DON'T - KNOW - EACH - OTHER. We are an ONLINE, VIRTUAL community. That is NOT the same as a real community, like a neighborhood.

It doesn't MATTER if you say things here that you wouldn't say to your neighbors. The fact is that you do not KNOW someone by virtue of what they choose to type. You know someone by personal interaction with them. By looking at them in their eyes and conversing with them. By reading their body language and inflections. By their actions. By seeing how they treat a waiter in a restaurant. By how they treat others.

Do you know how many people meet their "online love" only to find out that they created 90% of the "chemistry" in their own head? Christ, I've even heard of people meeting their one true love from online and finding out they lied about their gender!

It's called respect. There is a human behind the text you see here, ya know. If you think it doesn't matter, why say anything in the first place?
 
WE - DON'T - KNOW - EACH - OTHER. We are an ONLINE, VIRTUAL community. That is NOT the same as a real community, like a neighborhood.

There is a very real community here for those who wish to get involved in it.How?Glad you asked.I started by responding to posts that i found intresting,thoughtful and even mundane because the poster seemed like a decent person.This lead to pm,e-mail and phone conversations.

A lot of these people i have met in person and i hope to meet a lot more in the future.I feel like i could go to a large part of this country and if i got in a jam of some kind i could make a phone call or two and get some help,just as someone could call me if they were in my neck of the woods.There are a lot of people here who have been friends for many years and the forum is where they got to know each other.Just like most things in life what you get out of the forum depends on what you put into it.
 
WE - DON'T - KNOW - EACH - OTHER. We are an ONLINE, VIRTUAL community. That is NOT the same as a real community, like a neighborhood.

It doesn't MATTER if you say things here that you wouldn't say to your neighbors. The fact is that you do not KNOW someone by virtue of what they choose to type. You know someone by personal interaction with them. By looking at them in their eyes and conversing with them. By reading their body language and inflections. By their actions. By seeing how they treat a waiter in a restaurant. By how they treat others.

Its called basic human empathy. A respect for friendship despite physical boundaries.

As for those who make romantic relationships over the net, who gives a damn? Who the hell died and made you judge, jury and executioner in how others conduct themselves online?

You can't read people over the net he says.....

What a crock of shit I retort.

You're telling me that if you made good friends with someone over the net, eventually you wouldn't exchange phone numbers, or at least talk to them via webcam and mic? I and a good portion of others here have many lasting relationships, some platonic and some romantic, that have been made over this forum. Jesus tap-dancing Christ! Our own moderator Mimi met her fiance through this forum, and from what she's shared with us from her personal life no less, she and he are quite happy. You worry people lie about themselves when you try to get to know them online? Guess what pal, the exact same thing happens offline as well. Look at what happened when people like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were captured, nobody ever suspected them, and they didn't have the internet to mask their identities either. Some people lie and are shady, a good portion however are true and just seeking friendship as everyone else. Like others have said, what you put into a relationship is what you get out of it.

I have made some good friend here which started out small, through PM's and emails with people that interested me as Bugman pointed out led to the majority of his online friendships as well, then it progressed further into webcam cons and telephone chats. There is definitely a sense of community here that I have not witnessed on any other forum. Were I not on the West Coast, a good portion of the way from my friends here (and were I not a broke-ass college student to boot) I would, without a doubt take the next flight out to meet and further my relationships with these people in person

Most of us met each other online, yet are the best of friends to this day. It all leads back to that little word called empathy.

SmarterThanU, I find your name grossly misleading if you can not understand that simple, basic concept which sparks all friendships, be it in person or online.
 
Let's try and remember that people are going to have a wide disparity of opinions on this topic, and that nobody's opinion is any more or less valid than anybody else's.

This is one of those topics on which I can relate to both sides. Like SmarterthanU (whom I find to be smarter than many people, including me) I sometimes see posts on what seems to me like outrageously personal things, even the details of sexual encounters with other forum members. I can see where he's coming from and agree that many things would be better shared in private.

Yet on the other hand, last year was kind of a bad one for me. Not only was I losing my marbles (the Shemp thing), but my father died and my wife got cancer. I posted about all three of these, and I have to say I took a lot of comfort from the support both from people I know and even from total strangers with caring hearts. I'm here to say you can't put a price on this kind of therapy.

We TMF'ers are a cantankorous bunch, prone to conflicts from the mild disagreement to the all-out text war; but when the chips are down, we're a very supportive community, in my opinion.
 
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