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I came across this old clip on a file-sharing service: an SM clip that I made back in 2001 with www.insex.com. I'm the Top in this scene, and the bottom is a young woman named BJ. I mentioned this over on the Tickling Discussion forum, and the description below is based on what I wrote there.

Before you download it, PLEASE read the following description. This clip is not for everyone.

First, this is NOT a tickling clip - it's a bondage and SM clip. Second, Insex is not one of the gentler SM sites: this particular clip features a nasty little electric wand and, at one point, a knife (don't worry, no blood is drawn). Nothing in this clip is faked: when the model screams it's because she has good reason.

So, decide whether or not this is for you before you click to download. If you don't like SM, don't do it. If you want to see me being sadistic, have fun!
 
I thought it was very sexy, up until the knife...but she is really hot.
 
Insex is almost synonymous with dubious taste...
What few tickling they throw in is usually fun, but most clips elicit the "gotta rescue the girl" reaction. 😉

Hope those models are well paid...
 
Bit of inside info on Insex

Thought you all might like to hear from a female model who has been approached by Insex to work for them. They asked me to do a shoot for them last summer/early fall.
Yes, the girls are very well paid. I was offered a minimum of $700 for a 4 hour shoot.
No, I did NOT take them up on the offer. I do some bondage/BDSM type modeling but nothing involving degradation or hardcore S&M. Insex is considered pretty hardcore.

Insex informs all the models in advance that they will probably feel like crap for a few days after the shoot, depending on the intensity and what they are asked to do. I know a few girls who did do some work for them and they said they were indeed quite sore afterwards.

The video Redmage posted is BDSM lite by that site's standards. Most of their stuff is more intense than that, especially in the insex mens site- that one has LOADS of CBT. I find it all quite gross! Last I checked Insex was either shut down or their domain name had been bought out and they had moved it to hardtied.com or something like that.

Anyhow- to all of you who think the site is so disgusting and horrible, I'd never model for it myself, but all the models are of age, know what's going to happen before the shoot starts, and the 2 girls I knew that worked for them were pretty masochistic so they probably actually enjoyed their shoots.

One thing I never could get about that site was why the "Torturer" or whatever they call him was always so un-scary looking. Perhaps they were trying to appeal to a sort of Everyman audience, but in my humble opinion the villain should look the part....
 
I thought it was hot.....thanks for posting it, Red.


Mimi 😉
 
KittenToes said:
Thought you all might like to hear from a female model who has been approached by Insex to work for them. They asked me to do a shoot for them last summer/early fall.
Yes, the girls are very well paid. I was offered a minimum of $700 for a 4 hour shoot.
No, I did NOT take them up on the offer. I do some bondage/BDSM type modeling but nothing involving degradation or hardcore S&M. Insex is considered pretty hardcore.

Insex informs all the models in advance that they will probably feel like crap for a few days after the shoot, depending on the intensity and what they are asked to do. I know a few girls who did do some work for them and they said they were indeed quite sore afterwards.
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I agree with you, KT - and I'm speaking as someone who has worked there.

I shot with Insex back in 2001. Since then, after talking and working with models who have worked there, I no longer recommend the site for models looking for work. I say this reluctantly, and not because I think the people behind Insex are unskilled. To the contrary, they're very good.

The problem is the niche market that Insex has made for itself, and what they've had to do to stay there. Insex markets itself to those who want extreme SM, and that means that they have to push the envelope. Sometimes when one is pushing the edge of SM one slips, and when that happens the person who suffers the consequences is usually the model. I know models who were accidentally injured when Insex shoots went awry, and as a result of that I don't recommend them any longer. The Insex tops are very good, but no one is perfect, and in the areas where Insex likes to go the consequences of mistakes are serious.

The video Redmage posted is BDSM lite by that site's standards.
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This is true. I also found a clip of a knifeblade spanking scene that I did during that shoot, but I decided that posting that here might be over the top. 😉

Last I checked Insex was either shut down or their domain name had been bought out and they had moved it to hardtied.com or something like that.
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Here's what happened: The Department of Justice announced last year that they planned to start going after BDSM sites for violations of obscenity laws. There are no specific laws defining obscenity - it's a matter of what a prosecutor can convince a jury of. However generally speaking the more extreme something is the more likely it is to lose in an obscenity trial.

Since Insex is arguably one of the most extreme BDSM sites on the net, the owners decided that they would likely be near the top of the Attorney General's hit list. So they decided to sell the domain and the rights to the site content to an offshore producer who is outside the DoJ's jurisdiction. That producer is expected to bring Insex back online at some point in the future. Meanwhile the old owners of Insex have started hardtied.com as "Insex Lite" to try to keep the feel of the old site without the really edgy stuff that might get them prosecuted.

Anyhow- to all of you who think the site is so disgusting and horrible, I'd never model for it myself, but all the models are of age, know what's going to happen before the shoot starts, and the 2 girls I knew that worked for them were pretty masochistic so they probably actually enjoyed their shoots.
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I can say that BJ had fun with me - or so she told me afterward.
 
Kalamos said:
Insex is almost synonymous with dubious taste...
What few tickling they throw in is usually fun, but most clips elicit the "gotta rescue the girl" reaction. 😉
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They elicit that reaction from those who don't like what Insex does. As for taste, well, that's a matter of taste. I'd say that your opinion of them is fairly representative of people who don't like edgy SM.

Hope those models are well paid...
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They are - better than the industry average, in fact. The model that I worked with in my shoot (BJ) was working to make enough money to start her own business. She started working with them when she was 19. When I shot with her she was 20, and she retired from the business a year later. In two years of working with Insex she made enough to support herself in New York City and save enough to start a business of her own. That's quite a success story for a model in this industry, so I can say that Insex did well by her at least.
 
Redmage said:
They elicit that reaction from those who don't like what Insex does. As for taste, well, that's a matter of taste. I'd say that your opinion of them is fairly representative of people who don't like edgy SM.
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Maybe you're inferring more from my post than I actually typed. 😀

You said they got closed down for violating the [albeit blurry] obscenity laws, so somebody must find Insex worse than just "of dubious taste".
I didn't say that I hate them, nor I'm saying they should be closed down for good. 🙂
I can't help but feel sorry for the models; all the better for them if they can earn enough to retire and start off on their own.

Since I'm not acting out on my "gotta save the girl" instinct, I guess everybody's safe. 😉
Were I to, I wouldn't advertise it on a public forum anyway.
 
can you post it using windows media??? my real player keeps saying it doesnt have the components necessary to view this clip. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
:ranty: :ranty: :ranty: :ranty: :ranty: :ranty: :ranty: :ranty: :ranty:

and i sooo wanted to see it

isabeau
 
Kalamos said:
You said they got closed down for violating the [albeit blurry] obscenity laws, so somebody must find Insex worse than just "of dubious taste".
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No, that's not what I said.

Insex closed down voluntarily and the owners sold the site to an offshore producer. This was in response to a decision by the Department of Justice to begin going after BDSM content producers in general. They didn't single out any producer, but any prosecutor knows that the further "out there" a producer's material is, the easier it will be to convince a jury that the material is obscene. Essentially, the further something is from what the average vanilla person considers "normal sex," the more likely it is to lose in an obscenity trial.

No charges were ever filed against Insex, but since they are one of the most extreme sites on the net it seemed likely that this new campaign by the Attorney General would target them sooner or later. This doesn't have anything to do with "dubious taste" - even the TMF is in "dubious taste" as far as Ma and Pa Kettle are concerned. It was simply a business decision based on the most reasonable prediction of the way the legal wind is blowing.

I can't help but feel sorry for the models; all the better for them if they can earn enough to retire and start off on their own.
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Pardon me, but that attitude seems a bit patronizing to me. They're doing what they want to do. Believe me, no one goes through an Insex session if they aren't getting something out of it besides money: there are other sites that pay almost as much for much less stressful shoots. As Kitten Toes noted, the money (as good as it was) wasn't enough to lure her because she's just not interested in that level of intensity. Those who work with Insex - certainly those who do so more than once - do it because they are interested.

So don't feel sorry for them. They're doing something they like and getting paid for it - not many people can say that.
 
isabeau said:
can you post it using windows media??? my real player keeps saying it doesnt have the components necessary to view this clip.
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I can't convert it, isabeau. My recommendation would be to go to www.realplayer.com and download the latest version of their free player. That should take care of any problem.
 
Redmage said:
I can't convert it, isabeau. My recommendation would be to go to www.realplayer.com and download the latest version of their free player. That should take care of any problem.
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it wants a credit card which i cannot provide...

isabeau
 
i did download it Red and still says unknown component not available. o well thanks anyway. i seem to be doomed when it comes to viewing so called controversial clips.

isabeau
 
Redmage said:
This doesn't have anything to do with "dubious taste" - even the TMF is in "dubious taste" as far as Ma and Pa Kettle are concerned.
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Luckily, they don't attend TMF, do they? 😉
We do, though, and we share a [more or less] homogenous outlook on fetish material - hopefully.

I wouldn't play the "tastes are tastes" card either: one can recognise tasteless as such, and love it in spite of that.
I know some of my turn-ons are tasteless, even for the "average" TMF audience, and that doesn't bother me too much.
Just, I won't try and convince anybody it must be ok with them.
They are free to disagree.
I am free to disregard. 🙂


Pardon me, but that attitude seems a bit patronizing to me. They're doing what they want to do.
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I'll live with that.
I don't love what they do. This doesn't mean they have to care.

You see, there is a fine line here: I don't like hardcore SMBD, and I'll be outspoken about it.
Yet, this doesn't mean I want them to stop.
It just means I'm not likely to buy. Tasteless or not. 🙂


So don't feel sorry for them. They're doing something they like and getting paid for it - not many people can say that.
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Money being the master eh? 😉
Ubi major, minor cessat.
Everything for the nether god, Pluto.

Just joking. Don't take my remarks too seriously.
 
isabeau said:
i did download it Red and still says unknown component not available.
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Forgive me if this is a silly question, isabeau, but after you downloaded it, did you install it?

If so, then I confess I'm stumped.
 
That happens to me too sometimes Izzyboo. Try right clicking the file and select "Save Target As" and save it onto your hard drive. Then open it from there. See if that allows you to play it.

Mimi 🙂
 
isabeau said:
i did download it Red and still says unknown component not available. o well thanks anyway. i seem to be doomed when it comes to viewing so called controversial clips.

isabeau
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isabeau,

I am not sure if you got this clip to work with your realplayer, but if not, just a quick conversion for you. 😀

SF
 
ShadowFyre said:
isabeau,

I am not sure if you got this clip to work with your realplayer, but if not, just a quick conversion for you. 😀

SF
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thank you ShadowFyre it worked with the conversion. wonder why it wont work when i click on Redmage's original clip? hmm anyway wow what a body. and did i cringe when she was getting prodded. how much does that hurt anyway? wow great clip

isabeau
 
isabeau,

I am glad to hear it worked out for you. Sometimes realplayer can be a pain. It was quite an intense clip, not for everyone. I liked it as a change of pace.
 
welll one of my problems was i forgot to install it. lol silly me, however even after i installed it i couldnt view Red's original clip but was able to view yours. and yes it was quite intense. i sort of liked it..

isabeau
 
isabeau said:
wow what a body. and did i cringe when she was getting prodded. how much does that hurt anyway?
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The little wand I was using is called a Wasp, and it stings about as much as the name implies. I was using it once on a play-partner in a public dungeon, and after several fits of shrieking and laughter she looked at me and said "Don't make me be so loud!"

BJ is a screamer though, so you can judge what she's feeling only partly by her volume. 😉 Heh - anyone who thinks gags keep someone quiet should listen to her.

Anyway, yes, the Wasp stings like the dickens, but it doesn't cause any damage.
 
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