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What kids need today.

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What kids need to day

I know everyone says that kids need, love, respect, encouragement, blah, blah blah, but most of all they need this when they act a fool.

it's a 3 min clip but you will love the ending for all you old skool parents.

if more of you do this we would have probems with kids. :bouncybou
 
oh that made me laugh, i remember those days. i tell you, that kind of treatment kept me on the straight and narrow
 
Color me old school. That little girl had it coming. The problem today is that authorities don't understand the difference between discipline and abuse. Grounding and other non-physical punishments are good discliplinary measures for the trouble kids can sometimes get in. But for outright personal disrespect, an ass-whuppin is necessary.
 
drew70 said:
Color me old school. That little girl had it coming. The problem today is that authorities don't understand the difference between discipline and abuse. Grounding and other non-physical punishments are good discliplinary measures for the trouble kids can sometimes get in. But for outright personal disrespect, an ass-whuppin is necessary.
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I think parents don't understand the difference Drew.To many parent's want to be their kid's best friend instead of being their parent's.
 
bugman said:
I think parents don't understand the difference Drew.To many parent's want to be their kid's best friend instead of being their parent's.
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And there lies the problem!

I always told my kids that I'm their parent, not their buddy. Parenting ain't for cowards folks-if you can't handle the "I hate you's" then don't have kids! If you don't know how to say "no" and mean it, don't have kids! My "no" was not for negotiation at all. Their father mollycoddled the kids and they love him but have no respect for him. It was more important that my kids respected me than they liked me. They had no choice than to depend on me; why should I care??

And you always have to follow through or they will run all over you. If I gave consequences for behavior and they misbehaved anyway, you better believe that I followed through on the consequences regardless of the outcome. It's not that I didn't care about their feelings, it was more important that they learned to listen and learn that their actions come with consequences. Better to learn during childhood than adulthood when they can land themselves in jail or worse.

Parenting is difficult-it's even worse when we're trying to buy our kid's love and earn their respect. You're not doing your kids any favors if you don't show them that good decisions come with good consequences and bad decisions come with bad consequences. They'll grow up thinking life will treat them the same way you have and they'll hate you for sure.
 
bugman said:
I think parents don't understand the difference Drew.To many parent's want to be their kid's best friend instead of being their parent's.
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Yep, yep and yep

and everything Kis said.

Kust
 
That kid got off easy compared to what I woulda got talking like that. Parents need to stop being selfish (yes, it's SELFISH to say "I don't hit my kids because it's wrong". You won't do it because it hurts your feelings. Remember "it's gonna hurt me more that it's gonna hurt you"? THAT'S what it means) and start whoopin' these disrespectful kids asses. No wonder kids are shooting up schools and getting into trouble. They haven't had that line drawn in the sand by mom and dad and told do NOT cross it under any circumstances. Then being shown what happens when they do cross it.

It's not hateful to discipline your kids. It's called being a parent. kis is 100% correct in her statements. If my mom and step-dad hadn't whooped me when I was a kid, and I was bad, who knows where I'd be today: dead, prison, rehab. But because they did, it taught me respect and discipline. And I thanked both of them for it before they died. They did me and who knows how many other people a great service.

Either start being parents or stop having kids. You make the desicion.

Great clip, by the way. 😀
 
sabaki said:
If you come near my kids and try to hurt them in any way I will kill you.
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if your kids come near my kid he will kill them :imouttahe
 
Not a damned thing wrong with moderate corporal punishment. Spare the rod and spoil the child. But when it crosses over into abuse, then people start getting their knickers in a bunch, and nobody can make up their damned minds where to draw the line between discipline and abuse, so kids aren't getting corrected as much as we used to because parents are either afraid of legal crap befalling them or simply don't care anymore. When I was growing up, if my siblings or I were screwing up, we got spanked. And we all turned out just fine. Imagine that. All this huggsy-feely bullcrap they're bringin' kids up with today doesn't teach them as well. Disrespectful kid? Plant your foot up that ass. Buncha spoiled rotten brats these days, taking everything they have for granted. We give them everything we never had as a kid, so they don't appreciate what it is to NOT have it, since they always have. TV's in their room. Every video game that comes out. Ugh. I could go on for hours, but I'm takin' my cane and I'm gonna shake it from my wheelchair on the porch. :disgust:
 
I don't believe in any of that horseshit. If a parent raises a kid right, physical correction is NEVER necessary.

Both Laz and I were raised by fathers who did NOT understand the difference between corporal punishment and outright abuse, and they crossed the line many many times (I had an outdoor sidewalk ice chopper launched at my head, for fucks sake). We had both made the decision that we would never lay a hand on our children for that very reason. You don't have much self control when you are angry, and when punishing a child you ARE often angry and can very very easily cross that line. So our kids were NEVER spanked or hit or physically reprimanded in any way.

And you know what? All four of them are incredibly well behaved, well mannered, polite, and respectful. They all get very good grades in school, never get into ANY trouble of any sort, and never mouth off to us. And we managed all of that even WITH taking the "buddy" approach to parenting. It can be done....just unfortunately too many parents immediately want to take the quick and easy way out and smack a kid everytime he does anything they don't like.

~M
 
Seriously, I am so sick of the whole old generation vs. new generation garbage.

Of course we're spoiled.

But whose fault is it that we got that way?

One thing I didn't understand growing up, was how my mom would beat the crap out of me and my sisters, but then turn around and yell at me when I would hit one of them if they made me mad. If I was taught that bad behavior resulted in getting smacked, what other conclusion was I supposed to come to when I had a problem?

Personally, if I did something wrong, I'd be more apt not to do it again if something I liked was taken away (cell phone, laptop, etc) than if I had a beating that was over in a few seconds.

I mean, if you want your kids to grow up to really dislike you, smack away.
 
I believe there is not a fine line between abuse and corporal punishment, abuse is simple

Laymen definition of abuse

Placing a child in hot boiling water
Using a hot iron on a child
Hitting child with heavy items (unless they are teenagers than you need something to get through their thick heads)
Using items to cut them
Beating with gun butts
Starving a child
Selling child for sex
Having sex with a child
Hanging child upside down than beating them with whips or blunt objects.
Using a close fist on a child, (again unless the child is a teenager]
hitting child in head with heavy objects, (there may be an acception for teenagers)

Not abuse
Slapping a child in the face with a open hand
Slapping a child on the butt with open hand, belt or maybe something a little more heavier depending on the age of the child
Grabbing a child around the throat when the start talking to you as if they’re grown.
Tearing that ass up when they do something so bad that a grounding just want do.

I don’t care if you agree with me or not, this is just my believes.
 
the wiz said:
I believe there is not a fine line between abuse and corporal punishment, abuse is simple

Laymen definition of abuse

Placing a child in hot boiling water
Using a hot iron on a child
Hitting child with heavy items (unless they are teenagers than you need something to get through their thick heads)
Using items to cut them
Beating with gun butts
Starving a child
Selling child for sex
Having sex with a child
Hanging child upside down than beating them with whips or blunt objects.
Using a close fist on a child, (again unless the child is a teenager]
hitting child in head with heavy objects, (there may be an acception for teenagers)

Not abuse
Slapping a child in the face with a open hand
Slapping a child on the butt with open hand, belt or maybe something a little more heavier depending on the age of the child
Grabbing a child around the throat when the start talking to you as if they’re grown.
Tearing that ass up when they do something so bad that a grounding just want do.

I don’t care if you agree with me or not, this is just my believes.
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I don't predict any psychological problems for your children at all.
 
my parents were never my best friends..and i got spanked plenty of times as a child..i'm not saying it was right to do or not, but it sure made me stop and think..until i would do it again..when i was pregnant, i used to wonder how i would discipline my child..would i spank? would i do it another way? i never did make up my mind..a sharp word works for my cat, so it probably would have with my child..and sending them to their room, without computer access or phone..probably would have worked also..if not, then i might have resorted to a spanking..denying a child something they have looked forward to, but because of bad behavior didn't deserve would work very well..
 
Mimi said:
I don't believe in any of that horseshit. If a parent raises a kid right, physical correction is NEVER necessary.


....just unfortunately too many parents immediately want to take the quick and easy way out and smack a kid everytime he does anything they don't like.

~M
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And maybe some parents do use physicial punishmnent too quickly, but not all of us who believed in corporal punishment behave that way. It was my absolute last resort when nothing else worked. In my house, I am the boss, plain and simple. I don't let anyone rule my roost but me and if you didn't like it, you (hypothetical) could get the hell out!!

Dr Spock don't work folks-sometimes the board of education has to be applied to the seat of knowledge. I've heard of too many stories where the kids get old enough to start whipping their parents asses-I'm not having it in my home! I work too hard, sacrifice too much, and put my life on hold to take crap off my kids.

And guess what?? They're 16 & 21 years old and they'll tell you how much they love me (and I don't have to be around for them to say it). They know any punishment I delivered was fair and much deserved. They also knew it was a last resort. I gave them everything I had and that was enough. They are not spoiled overindulged, disrespectful, brats that eventually would abuse me. They have respect for me and other adults unlike many children do today. That I blame on parents who think their children don't have to be respectful to any adult but them!

And you know something else?? I raised my kids a far damn sight better than my mother raised me and I still respectd and loved her! My kids didn't eat every self-cooked meal from a can or some frozen tv dinner. My kids didn't raise themselves like me and my sister's did. They're not emotionally damaged and have to struggle years to shake crap off them the way I did. As messed up as I was I managed to raise two beautiful children who are becoming productive adults. Regardless of what any of you say, I didn't abuse my kids, I disciplined them to set boundaries and learn right from wrong. If you don't like it....TOUGH!!

Raise your kids any way you want, but I have ABSOLUTELY no regrets how I raised mine. They are productive members of society-my son has his high school diploma and goes to work everyday. My 16 year old daughter is a freshman in college on athletic scholarship (I did all the paperwork, paid the fees, and drove her there. Abusive parents don't do that for their kids.

I'm all for talking to my kids when they've done wrong, but when that doesn't work or if they blatenly disrespect me, then whatever happens, happens.
 
Just Leave Me Out Of It!!!

I don't know what kids need but what they don't need is me! I just got out of a relationship where I had to practically raise the girl's kids from a bad marriage so I don't wish to do so again. So if you had 4 kids by the time you were 20 years old with a cigarette smoking, Harley riding, bad boy who treated you like shit and you secretly loved it at the time because you felt it gave him mystery and now at age 32 you want a human wallet to pay for your mistakes thats cool. We all have to make our way in this tough world...just know that I don't need that in my life. Been there/Done that/Aint goin' back! :atom:
 
This type of punishment is said to be old school but I'm a young man and if I had kids that were disrespectful they would get a smack in the mouth. Now some liberal hippie might think that's wrong but when my kids shoots up their school, robs your house, rapes your daugther then you'll be saying where are the parents. I know physical punishment can be over used and is not always the answer but I strongly believe certain acts of disrespectful behavour are cause for an ass whipping. Of course the childs age, gender, and mental development should be taken into account. If you can raise a child right without physical punishment great but if you think all kids can be reasoned with like an adult or will be fine with a simple timeout I would have to respecfully disagree.
 
911 said:
This type of punishment is said to be old school but I'm a young man and if I had kids that were disrespectful they would get a smack in the mouth. Now some liberal hippie might think that's wrong but when my kids shoots up their school, robs your house, rapes your daugther then you'll be saying where are the parents. I know physical punishment can be over used and is not always the answer but I strongly believe certain acts of disrespectful behavour are cause for an ass whipping. Of course the childs age, gender, and mental development should be taken into account. If you can raise a child right without physical punishment great but if you think all kids can be reasoned with like an adult or will be fine with a simple timeout I would have to respecfully disagree.
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:bowing: :bowing: :bowing: :bowing:

I couldn't agree more!

I'd be curious to see how things are a few years from now when these kids turn into teenagers. I'd like to know how the anti-corporal believers will handle things then. Any parent who's raised a teen before knows the situation completely changes then. Good luck to all because you're going to need it.
 
Well, I'm glad I learned something from this thread.

Children raised with corporal punishment will grow up to be respectful and it's the only way to prevent them from becoming crazy, mass-murdering, raping, socially inept barbarians.
 
When i was growing up if i stepped out of line i got a telling off but if i really stepped out of line i got a backhander. It didn't do me any harm. My parents are far from perfect my dad in his younger days was in the police cells pretty much every saturday night for fighting at football matches. But when me and my sisters were growing up we were taught to respect people and be polite. This as well as the rules layed down by my parents is what i put down to me being the person i am today. Not because i was hit as a child.

The reason kids are so unruly today is society.
Teenagers who are still kids themselves are giving birth and don't have a clue how to raise a child, they don't instill values into the kid at a young age and effectively let the kid run riot. They get in trouble and get off with effectively a slap on the wrist meaning they'll more than likely do it again. Kids are too protected these days. Don't get me wrong some of it is warranted, but when they're involved in criminal activities they get off far too lightly, because they're too young to know any better apparently.

Yet kids are smoking and drinking at excessively young ages, even sex is becomming common for kids as young as 11! In scotland a few months ago and 11 year old girl gave birth to a kid. Rightly so the kid and her kid were put in care.
But with this going on what can we do? Teaching them that sex is wrong at that age doesn't work anymore. They hear the anti drugs/alcohol/sex messages but there just ignoring them anyway...

Society is fucked
 
ticklishgiggle said:
Well, I'm glad I learned something from this thread.

Children raised with corporal punishment will grow up to be respectful and it's the only way to prevent them from becoming crazy, mass-murdering, raping, socially inept barbarians.
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Yah, no shit gigs. I've always known it to be kids who are taught violence is okay or expected are the ones who grow up with violent tendencies. Not those kids who grew up in violence free homes.

In all honesty it doesn't matter if you spank your kids or not. That is not what is the ultimate factor in determining how a kid will turn out. That is all a result of lazy parenting. A parent who spanks but otherwise plays a non-active role in their kids life is going to have a kid with problems. A parent who does NOT spank but also does not play an active role in their kids life will have a kid with problems. Your approach to parenting does not matter....your attention and and devotion to parenting is what produces good kids. Too many parents today rely on electronic nannies to raise their kids for them so they can attend to other things, and that is the reason many kids nowadays carry the attitudes they do. It has nothing to do with whether they are spanked or not.
 
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hmm was ted bundy whipped as a child? just wondering..also charles manson? seems a bit stereotypical to assume that those who haven't been spanked or whipped as a child would turn out to be mass murderers..i never heard that scenario before..but also i didn't click on the website at the beginning of this thread...having some computer problems, and don't want to freeze up my computer again..
 
isabeau said:
hmm was ted bundy whipped as a child? just wondering..also charles manson? seems a bit stereotypical to assume that those who haven't been spanked or whipped as a child would turn out to be mass murderers..i never heard that scenario before..but also i didn't click on the website at the beginning of this thread...having some computer problems, and don't want to freeze up my computer again..
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They were also raised on tv shows like leave it to beaver and father knows best, but according to most stupid people, its the violence in tv shows today which leads to bad people

To quote al bundy(married with children)
"But our point here is that we know where real violence comes from, and it's not from that magic box, I like to call, TV. Oh sure the tube can be blamed for a lot of things: Brent Musberger, Full House, any show where overweight female cops dress up as hookers... But violence? That's too easy!
We've all been brought up on Road Runner cartoons and The Three Stooges, but how many of us have run a saw across a bald guy's head? How many of us have drawn a tunnel on the side of mountain, only to see our loved-ones smash themselves into it? And do you know why? Because we had parents, ladies and gentlemen! Parents that said, 'Don't do what TV tells you to do, do what we tell you to do or it's five across the eyes!' Anyway, I say if there's a problem with TV today it's that parents aren't saying that anymore!
Anyway my kids may not angels, but when they screw up I don't blame TV. I put the blame squarely where it belongs... on their mother. So in conclusion, I'd like to say, the next time you want to find the source of violence try looking on the other side of the screen!"
 
ticklishgiggle said:
Well, I'm glad I learned something from this thread.

Children raised with corporal punishment will grow up to be respectful and it's the only way to prevent them from becoming crazy, mass-murdering, raping, socially inept barbarians.
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If that's what you got out of it, well..........

No one said that spanking would avoid jail. There are a lot of spanked or even abused folks sitting in jail right now. But boundaries must be set and consequences must be followed through. And no, I don't think the occasional swat on the behind is going to turn my children into violent abusive thugs as many have spouted out on these threads.

There are also a lot of kids who aren't raised to deal with the consequences of their behavior. Their parents are lazy slobs who spit their legs and have baby after baby then talk about their need for freedom!! The kids never asked to be born in the first place did they? And those slobs keep screwing without birth control and have baby after baby. Those are the ones who make me sick because they will beat the kids out of their self-induced frustration. They will make the kids babysit the younger ones and become the parents while the real so-called parents lie in bed to make the next baby. What's worse, as the children hit their teens, they start the cycle all over again.

Now those are the abusive ones, not me!
 
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