sub space for ticklers/ticklees(parts 1-3)

Part 1:

Hi All,
> I have mentioned the term "sub space" to some ticklers and I wanted
to explain what it means.
> This is a term commonly used by the BDSM community, but it
definitely can apply during intense tickle torture sessions.It
happens on occasion to me and It is important for ticklees AND
ticklers to be
aware of it.
>
> This definition of "sub space" was provided to me by one of the
members in my former BBW_BHM_Ticklephilles group. He is also a member of a
BDSM group that I belong to.

>
> Although there are those who would disagree, the general
consensus
is
> that "subspace" from BDSM play is brought on by the body's natural

> narcotic-like substance, ENDORPHINS. Endorphins are released in
response to
> pain, in order to make it more bearable. In additon to fighting
discomfort,
> it also produces euphoria not unlike morphine or codeine. Although
tickling
> doesn't actually inflict pain, it can be intensely uncomfortable
and

> disconcerting at times, and your body reacts to your distress.
Endorphins
> are also released during orgasm, which accounts for the blissful
euphoric
> feeling afterwards. I also understand that most people, especially
women,
> release endorphins naturally when eating chocolate.
>
> This explains the common phrase, "Give me the chocolate, and no
one

> gets hurt!"
>
> When I(Jen) enter "sub space" during a tickling session, I am often
in so deep that I cannot give a safe word. With experienced ticklers
I do not have to worry about this. They are
knowledgable enough to read my body language and know when to stop.
>
> Here is advice, given to me, about playing with ticklers that
don't know me or are inexperienced.
>
> In any event, Jen, if you have ceased to respond coherently to
your

> tormentor, he, or she should have the common sense to check your
> respiration closely and observe you until you come out of subspace.
Safety
> first.
>
I think it is important for
the tickling community to be aware of this and take the proper steps
towards safe play.

Part 2:

This article was sent to me from a submissive woman in a BDSM group
I belong to.
>
> >Subspace, huh? A fascinating topic! Should be interesting to try
to
> >describe ...
> >
> >First, it is real. It may certainly be a "place" of mind that
> >"wannabees" fantasize about, romantasize, and try to reach or
achieve.
> >As a base comparison, let's use orgasm as a reference/focal point.
And,
> >let me say that I speak only, or mainly for myself, or perhaps the
> >woman's, or submissive's, point of view.
> >
> >Long, long ago 🙂, I "struggled" with having an orgasm with a
partner.
> >I could enjoy sex, but found myself unable to achieve orgasm in the
> >presence of another. On a more general scale, compare that
feeling
with
> >being able, or not, to masturbate with someone else watching. It
was
> >simply embarrassing to have another's eyes upon you as you "lost"
> >control, for even a minute, as the body experienced an orgasmic
state --
> >it was knowing (from private moments masturbating) that one would
lose
> >"control" for those few moments when orgasm occurred. I do
suggest
that
> >most men do not, or would not "fight" the feelings of release that
occur
> >with orgasm with a partner. In fact, a man may feel that orgasm
was the
> >goal and run to achieve it, or prolong their pleasure by slowly
building
> >up to it.
> >
> >I quickly learned that it was "alright" to run toward this goal.
I
also
> >realized that I had to learn to openly give up mindful control to
my own
> >body to achieve it. My orgasms were a giving up "control" of my
body TO
> >ITSELF, and letting the natural orgasm take place. Orgasm, with a
> >partner, was the next step we learn or simply experience, following
> >private masturbation. It is a trust in one's own body to be able
to go
> >to that place where orgasm occurs, and a knowing acceptance that
one
> >does not, technically, have control of one's self, in the presence
of
> >another. Perhaps this orgasmic state came naturally, and without
> >self-questioning for many, if not most people. But, for me, this
giving
> >up, or losing control, was a process I had to identify, "learn",
and
> >practice. 🙂
> >
> >Now, that said as background, one has a beginning point toward
> >understanding "subspace". Do you know where your mind goes during
those
> >brief moments of actual orgasm? No, but it is a pleasant and
desireable
> >place. Likewise, are you completely "lost" or "zombie-like" when
orgasm
> >occurs? Of course not. But, have you given up control and
followed the
> >path your mind and physical body takes to reach the place of
orgasm,
> >knowing that nothing terrible or frightening is going to happen?
Yes.
> >
> >It is the same for "subspace". Taking it a step further, I would
even
> >suggest that it is a form of self-hypnosis. Self-hypnosis, in a
sense,
> >that we use every day --- perhaps an example would be "counting"
to
fall
> >asleep. Or, perhaps on a "negative" side, think of where your
mind
goes
> >when sitting in the dentist's chair during a long or difficult
> >procedure. Do you "escape" via music, images, etc., to a "safe"
place
> >where you minimize the pain? That is also a form of self-
hypnosis.
One
> >is still totally aware of the procedure, but one "escapes" to a
place
> >where the mind is able to accept and "control" the emotions of
fear,
> >pain, etc.
> >
> >"Subspace" is like that self-hypnotic state that one initially
flees to,
> >to escape the pain because physical circuits are intense and
approaching
> >overload. Conversely, and on a "positive" note, one has reached
the
> >point (similar to orgasm), where trust is completely placed in
another
> >person, unconditionally, and the body and mind are actually acutely
> >aware of the feelings of "pleasureable pain" and concentrates
solely on
> >that feeling. Physically, adrenilin and endorphins are released,
> >providing their own "natural" high, enhancing and maximizing the
> >feelings of pleasure (and submission).
> >
> >I would suppose that it is the place, individualized, that say,
marathon
> >runners go to in their mind when running a grueling course. They
find a
> >way of self-hypnosis to escape the physical pain their bodies are
going
> >thru and prolong their endurance and find that level of a "natural"
> >high. Thru the "self-hypnosis process, they minimize the
background,
> >the outside world, and become one with their running. They are not
> >unaware or blind to the background, but their concentration is
focused
> >and expanded within.
> >
> >The same is true when one crosses the line to "subspace". One is
not
> >"lost" beyond reason, but one finds the ultimate level of trust and
> >release in one's own body and mind. And, with the proper partner,
one
> >experiences complete trust, knowing that this person (partner)
will
not
> >harm you or attempt to take you beyond a safe level, but rather a
trust
> >that this person will actually enhance and strengthen the feelings
of
> >trust and thereby, lead the mind to a more intense place of
pleasure,
> >heightened and concentrated awareness.
> >
> >Needless to say, it takes a skilled partner to bring the other to
such a
> >place. It is a deep intimacy shared between two people who have
> >learned, or are close to learning, complete trust in each other.

Part3:
>>O.k., here's a naive question. If subspace is a good thing......

(am I understanding this right - you are on a natural high due to the
activity - tickling - that that's all you can concentrate on...?)

..if it's a good thing, why would this be the time for a safeword?

M

Let me try to explain it as it pertains to me. I am basically a
masochistic ticklee. The level of ecstacy(sp?) that I achieve from
being sadistically tickle tortured is so great that I am unable to
distinguish if any of my biological functioning is impaired. When I
enter the state of sub space, I am at the "climax" of this ecstacy.
If there is any impairment I cannot, therefore, recognize or
communicate the need for the torture to stop. I must rely on my
tickler to learn to read my body language. Check my breathing and
generally make sure that I'm ok. I cannot give a safe word at this
point and don't believe that they are helpful.
I know that this puts a lot of responsibility on the tickler and both
trust and an acceptance of this responsibility should be discussed
before the session starts.
I hope I am making some sense here.

Jen

This is deep stuff...

Hi there:

All I can say is that this post blew my mind away to places I have never been.

I am not into intense tickling (at least not to the level described here) or into bonding/sadistic/masochistic activities. Hence, I never knew about how intense things could get and all the safety-related things.

This post opens doors to a place I never knew existed. I guess I should thank you for posting such insightful information into somebody else's mind.

I just came to realize how innocent my tickling "desires" are. However, it does let me know that there is always something more that I should be aware of.

Sorry for the rambling... I guess I am just thinking out loud.

Thanks again and enjoy those rare subspace incursions.

Take care,

Knight Tickler

Great post

I cannot let this post sit here w/o a word of praise...

This was, and is, a fabulous post. I've myself tried in the past to cover the subject of head space (we call it innner sanctum) and met only with attacks by those that just don't (and never will ) "get it"- maybe it was just too much too soon for some. This is what our scenes are like and I think many are confused on that matter and think the wrong things, perhaps thinking it's too intense. But Jen has done a great job here describing it in a much more eloquent manner.. which I hope many will read and enhance their playstyles by.

Understand that, as outrageous as it may seem to some of you now... if you're an intelligent human being who wishes to grow, learn, and expand yourself in scenes... as you go on in life and indulge your playstyles- things won't give you the same "kick" they used to. Now some people never grow. Nor do they want to. That's their choice and their loss. I think if you stop reaching and growing that you might as well drive right to the funeral parlour and just sit and wait for them to nail the lid closed.

Some of us started at a very young age, so by now we seek more..

Now for those of you in that same boat, and those of you who know they will be one day, I suggest you copy and save Jen's post and perhaps when you need to reach for more at some point, you'll have a bit of an insight and guide from the sub's POV... and hopefully enhance your playstyles and your emotional connection and depth in any scene- and you'll have her to thank! 😎

Your Definition of "subspace"

Thanks so much for that detailed explanation! I'm going to my first gathering next week, and while I have an idea as to what to expect, still and all it will be a new experience for me. I especially appreciate the emphasis on trust between the 'ler/s and 'lee. Thanks again!

Yep, good stuff NJJen...

Ah yes...having recently been sent to sub-space, it is a weird place to be...lots of stars 🙂
It takes A LOT of intense tickling to get there but WOW what a ride 🙂