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15 year old girl assaulted by police

And it's necessary to launch a kid like her around the room to punk her?

I think there was a little too much forward momentum occurring. She was backing up quickly and the guy was charging forward.

Everything up to the takedown was fine, IMO.

Some kids don't get it until excessive force is applied. That was just a little too excessive.
 
I know I'm gonna get attacked for saying this but she might have been just motioning like she was kicking them out of the room and her shoe came off, if you noticed it didn't come off very hard it barely made it to the hallway. Most holding areas you have to remove the laces before entering.
 
I know I'm gonna get attacked for saying this but she might have been just motioning like she was kicking them out of the room and her shoe came off, if you noticed it didn't come off very hard it barely made it to the hallway. Most holding areas you have to remove the laces before entering.

Good point... out of curiosity, why must the laces be removed?
 
To all the people who feel the girl got what she deserved:

At first I was going to disagree with you. I found it hard to believe that a few bad words can justify full-blown assault in any situation. I mean, no one would be saying that if it were ordinary people attacking her, so I really couldn't figure out how having a badge makes it morally A-OK to assault a teenager. I also couldn't figure out, no matter how hard I tried, how her shoe could be considered a "weapon", or even "being used as a weapon" (unless it was given to her by the Joker and she was just activating one of the deadly weapons hidden inside of it). Then I realized I was reading way too much into this and discovered the moral of this story: applying those cops' actions to everyday life.

So I've figured out what to do. In my job, I always get customers who are "lippy". Always adults, the kids are always respectful. Whenever I encounter a "lippy" customer, I will take a page out of these officers' playbook and bludgeon them with a baseball bat.

Thank you abusive cops and their supporters.
 
So I've figured out what to do. In my job, I always get customers who are "lippy". Always adults, the kids are always respectful. Whenever I encounter a "lippy" customer, I will take a page out of these officers' playbook and bludgeon them with a baseball bat.

Thank you abusive cops and their supporters.

Now where in that video did the cop use a baseball bat?
 
he was just trying to make a point. My standpoint was if I wasn't getting hurt I was not hurt you now if that girl would have grabbed my crotch and squeezed she would have had a black eye. I don't feel that girl was any real threat to the officers and absent a physical threat there is no reason for a beat down.

Ps I noticed some name calling here this is an adult conversation can we try to refrain from calling each other names please and I say this ever so kindly.
 
The point is still sound though.

Violence doesn't usually improve a situation.

Yeah your right, we will all just lock our selves in our homes because there are a bunch of retarded social worker who got laws past so people can't dissaplin their kids properly, and bleeding hearts who think cops should be the verbal and physical bunching bags of snot nosed little bitches and bastards. In Montreal they recently passed a law allowing cops to fine people who are verbally abusive to them, I hope that law comes to Toronto soon as well, it will probably cut down on this sort of thing if the cops can just wright them a ticket for it.

The reason why you point is not sound is because you are not an Authority when you work in retail. What you could try doing is explaining to the customer that you are a human being and that you would like some mutual respect. By the time you are 15 you should know better then to mouth off at a cop. When you are a cop you should know better then to hit somebody once you have them subdued (especially if you know there are camera's in the room). In the long run this all could have been avoided if there had been a female officer dealing with her instead of a male, she might have handled it differently, and if not, most people wouldn't care.
 
Yeah your right, we will all just lock our selves in our homes because there are a bunch of retarded social worker who got laws past so people can't dissaplin their kids properly, and bleeding hearts who think cops should be the verbal and physical bunching bags of snot nosed little bitches and bastards. In Montreal they recently passed a law allowing cops to fine people who are verbally abusive to them, I hope that law comes to Toronto soon as well, it will probably cut down on this sort of thing if the cops can just wright them a ticket for it.

The reason why you point is not sound is because you are not an Authority when you work in retail. What you could try doing is explaining to the customer that you are a human being and that you would like some mutual respect. By the time you are 15 you should know better then to mouth off at a cop. When you are a cop you should know better then to hit somebody once you have them subdued (especially if you know there are camera's in the room). In the long run this all could have been avoided if there had been a female officer dealing with her instead of a male, she might have handled it differently, and if not, most people wouldn't care.

Nah, many people on this thread have already made it clear that alot of people just need a beat down in order to learn respect. At first I disagreed, but watching these two fine officers of the law in action, I realized that this is one girl who will think twice about badmouthing anyone. Trust me, I've tried asking for a bit of respect. It doesn't work, so why keep doing that when we have a tried and true method right here on video? So I think my plan is a good one.

But you're right about the baseball bat, though. Cops don't use those. Should I bring a tazer to work instead? No wait! Police baton. Oh yeah. Just tazing people who "take a tone" with you isn't satisfying enough. Hmm, I'm also hanging out with my friend and his 4 month old son later. I should buy a gun just in case he spits up or something.

Oh, and thank god the poor people of Montreal are safe now.
 
You really do not get it. You remind me of the way PETA forms arguments by blowing things way out of proportion then applying those ridiculous ideas to an argument which has been made irrelevant by the liberties you took with the subject at hand.

Nah, many people on this thread have already made it clear that alot of people just need a beat down in order to learn respect. At first I disagreed, but watching these two fine officers of the law in action, I realized that this is one girl who will think twice about badmouthing anyone. Trust me, I've tried asking for a bit of respect. It doesn't work, so why keep doing that when we have a tried and true method right here on video? So I think my plan is a good one.

But you're right about the baseball bat, though. Cops don't use those. Should I bring a tazer to work instead? No wait! Police baton. Oh yeah. Just tazing people who "take a tone" with you isn't satisfying enough. Hmm, I'm also hanging out with my friend and his 4 month old son later. I should buy a gun just in case he spits up or something.

Oh, and thank god the poor people of Montreal are safe now.
 
I understand what your saying jkb and I understand what Slave Tickler is saying all I'l trying to say is there is a happy medium. Everyone is taking things to extreme here. I am attempting to relay to all that the officer in that video was wrong and I'm trying to do that without explaining 16 different laws the social science officers are tought, police tactics, and police rules and procedures and it's very difficult. The bottom line is the Police in that video used excessive force. To quote one rule a Police Officer may use the necessary force to effect an arrest. for the slamming into the wall that was not necessary as for the take down that is how police are trained to cuff a resisting suspect. the other thing it too 2 cops to take down a 15 year old with her build come on don't insult my intelligence.
 
The girl was no threat to the officer. What he did was both busive and extreme, and he should be either benched for the next five years, or relieved of his job. Of course, looking at his record would be needed before eithe choice was made.

Police officers have a job to do, like anybody else, and like anybody else, if they can not preform their jobs in a proffesional manner, they should not have those jobs.
 
Yeah your right, we will all just lock our selves in our homes because there are a bunch of retarded social worker who got laws past so people can't dissaplin their kids properly, and bleeding hearts who think cops should be the verbal and physical bunching bags of snot nosed little bitches and bastards. In Montreal they recently passed a law allowing cops to fine people who are verbally abusive to them, I hope that law comes to Toronto soon as well, it will probably cut down on this sort of thing if the cops can just wright them a ticket for it.

Uh... that's not what I was trying to say. Hyperbole doesn't usually strengthen your argument.

I think it's a bad idea to give authority the ability to fine you if you are disrespectful. That's rather Big Brotherish of your country to do that, but I suppose that's typical of a lot of Canada.

While I did mention my previous support of respecting cops, I don't think it should be illegal to disrespect them. Besides, you'd only waste more law enforcement resources on petty things, and we already do that enough with keeping things like pot illegal.

I'm not exactly a bleeding heart. I'm mostly a pragmatist, and I support better parenting but also more active social workers.

On the one hand, parents don't discipline their children enough, but on the other hand, true cases of child abuse are hard for the state to intervene on.

The reason why you point is not sound is because you are not an Authority when you work in retail. What you could try doing is explaining to the customer that you are a human being and that you would like some mutual respect. By the time you are 15 you should know better then to mouth off at a cop. When you are a cop you should know better then to hit somebody once you have them subdued (especially if you know there are camera's in the room). In the long run this all could have been avoided if there had been a female officer dealing with her instead of a male, she might have handled it differently, and if not, most people wouldn't care.

Authority should only be given the license to use force when a true threat is being presented. As obnoxious as a person spouting profanity might be, they are not a threat worthy of physical contact.

Again, try to be rational when discussing these things. You're letting your emotions get the better of you here.
 
I think it's a bad idea to give authority the ability to fine you if you are disrespectful. That's rather Big Brotherish of your country to do that, but I suppose that's typical of a lot of Canada.

Yeah,i'm not a big fan of this decision either. However, and i don;t know all he details here, but in Montreal their was, for a good time, a very "Anti-police" mentallity, which is why this was probably passed. I'd have to do more research on the matter to figure everything out though.
 
I think the deputy took things a bit too far, and I definitely think it's completely outrageous that the girl was not taken to a hospital afterward (from my POV, that's the most reprehensible part of the entire incident). That being said, I feel that there are a few points that are not being taken into consideration.

Please keep in mind, while reading them, that I intend these to be taken into consideration *together*; I don't believe any one of them individually explains or justifies the situation.

1. We can't tell, from the video, how hard the girl was hit. We can tell that she was thrown against a cell wall, and there is the somewhat obscured appearance of her being punched twice while on the ground. Apparently, however, she was still conscious immediately afterward, which suggests that the attack might not have been as physically powerful as appearances suggest. This is backed up by the fact that the officer who went in second helped the first officer, and didn't try pulling him off the girl or anything like that. Veteran police officers are not raving lunatics; I seriously doubt that officer #2 was coincidentally the one guy on the force who wouldn't intervene if he saw serious damage being inflicted.

2. Many "young people" today are PUNKS. They are extreme PUNKS who believe they can do no wrong and that doing extremely stupid things - with no thought whatsoever to how their issues impact the people around them - is "cool." They are rude, uncivilized to the point of being barbaric, ignorant, and foolish, and they're proud of it. They intentionally refuse to speak or write properly, developing their own forms of slang that are completely indecipherable to preceding generations who actually learned to communicate in English. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with those who previously stated that the occasional beat-down is probably necessary. We have encouraged our children to make a subculture out of shameless stupidity.

Are there exceptions? Yes, but I doubt a 15-year-old girl who's sitting in a jail cell cussing out a cop and kicking articles of her clothing at him is one of them. I really do. I'm not saying that these kids are all bad, or irredeemable, but they've been spoiled rotten with notions of "your way is the right way for you" and "you don't need to grow or improve, you're perfect as you are" taken to extremes, and extremes are needed to bring them back. These kids aren't all the product of inner-city poverty or broken homes; many of them are from the most financially secure and comfortably stationed families remaining to today's middle class. Their biggest problem in life is that mommy and daddy had the nerve to get them a used BMW for their birthday, or bought them a guitar (for their emo music) that wasn't their favorite kind.

I'm not suggesting walking around with a baseball bat to take to the head of every ignorant person you encounter at your personal discretion; however, if you're a snot-nosed, smart-mouthed little punk, and you get arrested, and you give the cop shit, and start throwing things at him, and you get beaten down... you don't have much sympathy from me. A little, yes, but not much. Grow... UP; that doesn't mean "abandon your childhood and become a short adult," it means "you're 15. Act 15, not 4."

3. Police have a job which is one of the most difficult, most necessary, and most thankless jobs in existence. Those who are serving our country in combat zones aside, I don't think there are very many people who can claim to deal with the same issues and level of stress in a week that a police officer does on any given day (stress level, maybe... doctors, firemen, etc... but I'm digressing). Policemen are human; maybe this was ignorant little punk #93 to give him lip after being arrested for doing something stupid that week, and it finally got to him after... what, eight years on the force? I'm not saying that this excuses (or even contributes to excusing), but it does make the man's actions more explicable. Maybe someone pulled a gun on him on his previous call; who knows? We don't know all that the girl herself did prior to being arrested and/or arriving at the station, either. I've seen children this age, while under arrest, scratching and biting and screaming at the cops.

4. R/E people making statements about police in general; (a) be a little more @#$%*&^ grateful for what these men and women do for you; you'd be singing a different tune if you were the one needing assistance, and (b) the police department in question has launched both a criminal and an internal affairs investigation. They are doing everything-and-then-some to figure out what happened, why, and deal with all involved accordingly.
 
Yeah,i'm not a big fan of this decision either. However, and i don;t know all he details here, but in Montreal their was, for a good time, a very "Anti-police" mentallity, which is why this was probably passed. I'd have to do more research on the matter to figure everything out though.

*nods* As we've discussed before, I do like a lot about Canada, but occasionally, they'll do something that disturbs in the Big Brother direction. Granted, we do it sometimes as well.

I suppose there might be certain circumstances that may encourage the passage of these sorts of laws, but surely, there is a better way to deal with these things. Do you know what the source of this anti-police sentiment is?
 
To clarify:

I wasn't exclaiming that the girl in question deserved to be beaten. I was merely stating my overwhelming desire to run teenagers over with lawn tractors.
 
To clarify:

I wasn't exclaiming that the girl in question deserved to be beaten. I was merely stating my overwhelming desire to run teenagers over with lawn tractors.

lol... I think we all feel that occasionally...
 
your getting off the subject here. ok a law it is against the law to curse in public it's called disorderly conduct. there is a law that states you can't refuse to obey a lawfull order by a police officer. So if you call me a fucking pig and I tell you not to curse again and you do and at me thats a summons fail to comply with a lawfull order. Allowing the police to summons for disrespecting them can be given in many ways you don't need a law for it. When in training your told your supposed to have a thick skin thus to a nyc officer pig is pride integrity and guts I always said ty and pissed the perp or suspect off. Lets try to stay on track here if you have any questions about the law I will try to answer them for you.
 
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