2pac vs. other rappers

[Armpit_licker]

I apologize to the Mods and Admins for getting personal. This kid just ticks me off, a lot.

Out of respect for them I am done in this thread. Lock it up, delete it, whatever you want.

Krokus, anytime you wish to compare lives I'll be more then happy too in a PM.

 

[vampirecult]

Yeah Mods please do. Lock this thread of mine that i started since it got out of hand by a few un ruleing memebers that have no respect of rappers or rap music or other peoples opinions to began with it seems.


Thank you

 

[drew70]

..and once again another good thread has been hijacked and ruined by a couple of assholes who just couldn't help themselves. Feel better now jackasses?

Seems to me you are demonstrating far more petulance and intolerance for differing opinions than are they. Name calling. I expected better of you, Croak.

what your generation doesnt understand about the "younger" generation is that we dont give a fuck about you. we dont give a fuck what you did, or what you think. and we sure as hell dont respect you.

You speak only for a small narrowminded fraction of the population. Hey, if you want to piss on the earlier generations that fought for your own freedom, well that's your business. Sorry if we don't bother to acknowlege your ingratitude. We've got more important things on our minds.

we are the future of this country, and we are here to try and fix all the things you dumbasses fucked up.

Got news for you. Assuming you survive the Darwin Principle, you're going to get old like the rest of us. Then you can personally experience the ingratitude and lethargy of the next wave of malcontents.

its my country now, my music now,

Your ego and arrogance as well

and this is only gonna continue, and get bigger and more popular. and there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

Hate to bust your bubble, Elton, but there is plenty we can do. Top of the list, I don't listen to rap. I don't buy rap. I don't support any stores that play rap. There is still plenty of good music left over from the days when record companies actually cared about talent. When the people putting out records were actual musicians and played instruments.

bottom line, we've taken over the music industry, and it's only a matter of time until it's all your gonna see.

Dude, you can have it. It's down the toilet and has been for years. Fortunately musicians have other means of marketing their songs than the corrupt cesspool you refer to as the "music industry."

 

[MrMacphisto]

A good band once said, "You glorify the past, while the future dries up."

Still, there is wisdom to be found in the generations that have passed and are still among us. Similarly, there is perception and perspective to be found among the young that often escapes the old. While I believe most of rap is utter shit, there are plenty of talented musicians in this genre. Most of any genre is generally going to be shit anyway. As for the music industry, I have to agree that its business methods have become profit-oriented and very little else. It's sad when people will buy anything that is marketed to them, but that's always been the case. What's different now is that the record executives rarely care about creativity.

Anyway, I think if Krokus had chosen to be a bit more eloquent and less confrontational, he probably would have said something to the effect of, "We're sick of being judged by the older generations as having no taste just because we like different things from them." Besides, is there any real point to posting in a thread that discusses something you totally loathe? Sure, you have the freedom to post anywhere you want, but why use that freedom to troll or flamebait? I admit I do a bit of it myself, but it's usually concerning a subject with some debating potential. This is just a thread about Tupac -- a guy you're either going to love or hate, if you even give a shit about him in the first place. Rap, in general, is kind of the same way. There's no need to insult people because they like a different kind of music from you, and likewise, there's no need to stoop to that level in retaliation to being insulted either.

 

[Krokus]

I agree with you word for word. thats how I should have worded it.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Hey, no prob, man... Check your PMs, btw....

 

[maniactickler]

yea right son, I've done more in my 19 years than you will do in your life. And trust me punk, you would get banned before I would. I was here from the start. Anything you have to say is irrelevant because you have already shown your true colors asshole. and yea, I speak for you. cause you obviously can't speak for yourself. your just one of the "verbal club assasins" as we call them here, who ends up getting skull fucked. your now on my ignore list


people like maniac and my dad have alot in common, they both use "witty" comments to hide a rather obvious racist agenda. dont take my word for it, look at all his posts. like it or not, thats the case.

I hope the mods will erase this thread, as it's beenm ruined by a couple of grade A asswipes.


OMG! you exposed me for the racist i am right in front of everyone in this forum. you sure taught me a lesson! hey, give us a break with the racist excuse and grow up. your age is definately showing here.

 

[Soda83pop]

I apologize for stating this, but if this flame had been about politics or religion, someone would have already locked this or moved it. Why is this still out here for people to reply to? Is it not okay to flame each other and their points of view for those subjects, but wide open when it comes to rap music (this isnt the first time a thread like this has went from a discussion to people feeling the need to flex internet nuts because they do or dont like the genre). Or, as I am hoping, this has just been overlooked and the thread will be moved to a more proper forum (preferably in the "Recycle Bin").


As a side note, Im not very fond of country music. Never have been....just cant get into it. Even if they do play their own instruments, I dislike it. Listening to country star's do Eagles music makes my stomach turn (Im an Eagles fan), and I thought that whole album was a travesty.

However, if I come in here and see a thread that says "Tim McGraw versus other country stars: Where does he weigh in??", it would never cross my mind to post something like "Does it matter? Country music sucks. There are only so many songs about alcohol abuse, women leaving me, women I cant have, and fishing that I can tolerate." Reason being is that #1 Those are all sweeping generalizations, not much unlike the ones used about hip hop every time it is the subject of a thread. And #2, I realize that some people out there (gasp!) actually do like the music, and there is no reason to get involved. Let them have their debate and have their fun, and I will find something more productive to do with the time I would have spent fucking with them.

 

[drew70]

As far as thread locking goes...I have to side with Jerry Seinfeld and George Castanza. "A conversation should resolve itself of its own volition." Well, actually George said, "momentum." Half of one, six dozen of the other.

As far as negative opinions go, my understanding is that as long as that opinion applies to the subject and not the poster, it is legitimate discussion input. Armpit and Maniac kept to this directive in their original posts on this thread but were chastised directly by Vampire and Krokus for doing so. This seems to suggest that negative opinions aren't welcome. Like saying, "stay away from this thread unless you like what we like." You guys have to understand that anybody is free to respond with opinions contradictory to your own, if they stay within the Golden Rule restrictions. Personally I hate not being able to express views and opinions the way I would prefer. If those restrictions were not in place, my response to Krokus's tyrade would not have been so gentle.

As far as 2pac goes, I couldn't name one song (can you really call it a song if it isn't "sung"?) nor do I care how he died. Two words which will never be in my vocabulary are "sup" and "nigga."

 

[Soda83pop]

You guys have to understand

There is no "you guys" here. It is just me. I have no problem with you not liking hip hop music, and I hope that was not the impression you have. My only question was why get involved in the thread if you dont like it. Let those guys have their debate about who would have the best battles against Tupac, and let it go.

I am not defending the attitude that the "pro hip hop" mebers took here. This quit being, as you called it a "discussion", two pages ago, when members on both sides, for all of the wrong reasons, decided to take liberties with each other on how they discussed the music. I have no personal vendetta here, I was just curious as to why after the thread has gotten off topic (and it has) and some heated words have been exchanged, just lock the thread or move it to Politics and Religion, where discussion are pretty much allowed to go like this.

 

[Krazy]

"Me against the world"-Tupac Shakur

 

[maniactickler]

I dont see the fault in posting any opinion on a topic, be it positive or negative. personally, i think negative posts make for more interesting discussion. as long as theres no personal attacks. ill never say anything derogatory to a specific person unless im attacked first. now lets get back to the topic of how bad rap stinks. :O

 

[Soda83pop]

I dont see the fault in posting any opinion on a topic, be it positive or negative. personally, i think negative posts make for more interesting discussion. as long as theres no personal attacks. ill never say anything derogatory to a specific person unless im attacked first.

I agree wholeheartedly. There is nothing wrong with negative posts...I wouldnt even categorize them as negative. I would characterize them as differing opinions.

The thread's topic was not about whether, as you put it, rap sucked or not. It was a comparison between Tupac and other artists in the genre. It would be like seeing a seeing thread that started "What is the best plan for Iraq in the future" and someone replying "What difference does it make, George Bush lied about the reason we are at war there any way". That statement seems more antogonistic in that environment, just like the "Who cares how good 2Pac raps, rap is talentless" statements do in this thread. Im not saying you have to listen to rap, or enjoy it. I dont think everyone should think like me (its probably best that most people dont 😉 ). But if you already know you dont like it, why participate in a thread comparing rap artists??

I think everyone involved in the thread is real cool, and I meant no harm by my posting in it. But honestly, if you read from the first post to the last, this thread has taken on a life of its own, is no where near involved in the original topic, and typically when that happens, it is either locked or removed. I was looking for some clarity on the rules. There have been other mods who have logged on today, read up to this point in the thread, and have found no issues with how people have reacted in it. I was wrong for bringing it up and apologize.

keith

 

[LVTicklr]

All flamewars on this topic aside,as far as anybody who would give Tupac a run for his money,Ice Cube came pretty close to it(especially in the late 80s/early 90s),until he went completely Hollywood on us(I can't bring myself upon seeing both "Are We There Yet?" and the new "xXx" movie:Cube is a belivable on-screen tough guy,but he's no Vin Diesel).

 

[Krazy]

This Wasnt A Debate On Rap Sux Buddy!

LEARN 2 READ

 

[vampirecult]

Wows my thread has changed quickly to a 2pac vs. other rappers (rap freestyle battles) thread. Into a Rap Sucks it's the worst music genre ever thread!