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5 Hard No's and Other Ways of Talking About Sexuality

solescratcher99

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This is kind of tickling related because I'm into it but it's also some advice I gave my to friends who are still dating and would like to hear if anyone else has a similar approach. They say it actually makes sense to say this to most women because it's let them know, without them having to disclose too much on their end, if you're someone they'd be sexually compatible with.

Basically, the advice is two-fold:

First, I always slip into the conversation my 5 hard no's. These are things I'm absolutely not interested in doing and would never be open to.

1. No humiliation (throwing pies in the face, cucking, age regression etc.)

2. No violence (I mean fantasy and real life violence: things like stomach punching, slapping, choking or rape fantasies, etc.)

3. No bodily fluids (no blood or scat fetishes, no pissing fetishes, no spitting, etc.)

4. No other people (no open relationships, polyamory, etc.)

5. None of the stuff that should go without saying (animals, children, abuse, etc.)

Secondly, you have to have a why to what you're into. Just saying you're into XYZ doesn't make this person comfortable with your sexual preferences. You need to let them know what's going on in your mind so they have a better perspective of your personality.

For example, aside from intercourse, I'm also into feet and tickling. I usually keep it simple at first and say something like, "tickling is a pro-social form of communication, so I use it to make me feel more connected with someone" or "it's a super quick way to ramp up the physical intimacy".

The most common objection I hear to this is "well, what if the person doesn't want to be tickled?" I usually reply with "that's a form of torture and falls into the humiliation category. I'm not into humiliating people. Granted there is a certain thrill about it but when it's someone I like I don't want to hurt them."

So, how do you talk about sexuality with your significant other? Do you just chop it up to "uh, I don't know I just do" or do you have a better understanding of yourself and your desires? Personally, I think this needs to become common practice in dating because too often I hear stories about someone getting emotionally involved with someone without knowing if they're sexually compatible in the first place.

Anyway, what are your thoughts? Does this list make sense? What would you personally add/remove from it?
 
Wait, are you saying that you actually do slip into conversation that you aren't sexually interested in children, animals, abuse, blood, scat, piss, being spat on, choked, punched, having pies thrown in your face, and being treated as a child? Or is this just hypothetical advice you're considering?

If I were asked about those things, for whatever reason, I would just say “no, I’m not interested in that”. I think it’s reasonable to discuss comfort levels regarding exclusivity. E.g. "Well, I've had open relationship that were great" or "I've tried open relationships before and it just wasn't right for me. I found it really difficult."
 
Wait, are you saying that you actually do slip into conversation that you aren't sexually interested in children, animals, abuse, blood, scat, piss, being spat on, choked, punched, having pies thrown in your face, and being treated as a child? Or is this just hypothetical advice you're considering?

If I were asked about those things, for whatever reason, I would just say “no, I’m not interested in that”. I think it’s reasonable to discuss comfort levels regarding exclusivity. E.g. "Well, I've had open relationship that were great" or "I've tried open relationships before and it just wasn't right for me. I found it really difficult."

That's a bit of a black and white interpretation of what I said. I'm also not sure if you're being irreverent or misunderstanding the meaning behind what I'm saying. The examples I gave in parentheses are only mentioned AFTER they ask for elaboration. I do not just flat out say "I'm not interested in piss". That's just reaaaallllllly creepy.

I understand what you mean though. If someone just mentioned that while we were talking about philosophy, then I'd be a bit creeped out. I just gave the examples here because it helps people understand how these general guidelines apply in particular scenarios. For example, rule one about humiliation might not make sense if I didn't give the example of throwing pies in someone's face.

The other reason I brought this topic up is because, in proper context, it makes sense to at least let someone know you would never go somewhere before they invest in the relationship. A lot of my friends have met women who got involved with men who were not forthcoming about their interests and ended up involved with someone who, a year later, suddenly developed a desire to XYZ which they were not interested in and was a hard-no for them. Giving them you're hard no's (and only being specific after asking for elaboration) lets them know what they're getting into.

But, yes, you should be extremely forthcoming about your wants and hard-no's when dating. I would definitely not want someone sneaking into my personal life who was a raging-corpse fucker that I had to come to terms with because they weren't expected to propose their honesty in the first place.

In short, my message was simply - don't trick people into a relationship that's not going to be sexually compatible and try to be honest up front so you don't waste each others time.
 
That's a bit of a black and white interpretation of what I said. I'm also not sure if you're being irreverent or misunderstanding the meaning behind what I'm saying. The examples I gave in parentheses are only mentioned AFTER they ask for elaboration. I do not just flat out say "I'm not interested in piss". That's just reaaaallllllly creepy.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I really was asking sincerely.

I understand what you mean though. If someone just mentioned that while we were talking about philosophy, then I'd be a bit creeped out. I just gave the examples here because it helps people understand how these general guidelines apply in particular scenarios. For example, rule one about humiliation might not make sense if I didn't give the example of throwing pies in someone's face.

Oh, I understand. It was for the reader's benefit. Just wasn't sure. And yes, I would be more than a bit creeped out if things from your list were just mentioned out of the blue.

The other reason I brought this topic up is because, in proper context, it makes sense to at least let someone know you would never go somewhere before they invest in the relationship. A lot of my friends have met women who got involved with men who were not forthcoming about their interests and ended up involved with someone who, a year later, suddenly developed a desire to XYZ which they were not interested in and was a hard-no for them. Giving them you're hard no's (and only being specific after asking for elaboration) lets them know what they're getting into.

Sure, I understand about context. Like, it makes sense when a person writes on their TMF profile "I am NOT into feet, so do not ask". However, if someone doesn't develop interest XYZ until a year after dating someone, I don't see any real value in the other person having mentioned it as a hard-no upfront. I see no reason why the person with the newfound kink wouldn't put up a fight anyway: “I never thought I would be interested in anal sex, but now I am. I know you said it was a hard-no, but maybe you can change like I did. I don’t see the harm if you just tried it once. Do you really wanna throw away a year?”

But, yes, you should be extremely forthcoming about your wants and hard-no's when dating. I would definitely not want someone sneaking into my personal life who was a raging-corpse fucker that I had to come to terms with because they weren't expected to propose their honesty in the first place.

In short, my message was simply - don't trick people into a relationship that's not going to be sexually compatible and try to be honest up front so you don't waste each others time.

I don't think it's trickery to omit mentioning the things from your list. If it works for you, that's great. But no, I don't agree with the approach.
 
For anyone else reading this - the other thing I forgot to mention last night is we're all in our 30s. We've gone through that experimental stage and KNOW what we like and don't like. This isn't something I'd personally recommend for 20 somethings in college still developing their sexual repertoire or to someone whose been a prude their whole life. :dom:
 
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The other thing I forgot to mention last night is we're all in our 30s. We've gone through that experimental stage and KNOW what we like and don't like. This isn't something I'd personally recommend for 20 somethings in college still developing their sexual repertoire or to someone whose been a prude their whole life. :dom:

Ok..I’m actually not in my 30s and I don’t see your point anyway.

Are you saying that you only give this advice to 30+ year olds?

Actually..I’m not sure it matters. I don’t think we’ll agree fundamentally.
 
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Are you saying that you only give this advice to 30+ year olds?

OR to people who aren't sexually experienced. I think once you have enough experience, you know what your hard no's are and aren't and it's important to let people know that beforehand. Keep in mind this list compromises only the most extreme stuff. It doesn't mean you're shut off from everything like spanking, bondage, etc. Unless someone really likes the way their brain gets wired when being almost choked unconscious, this list is really not a big deal.
 
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