A Masters Creed (not for all - BDSM related - if offended, do not open)

[Mimi]

With all the confusion we see about the true roles of each partner in a D/s relationship, particularly ones where pain, punishment, and humilation is often used in the course of a session, I thought it would be kind of cool to post this. I am certain it will not change the mind of anyone who is in set in their belief that either the Master or slave or both roles are crimes against humanity, but it's interesting none the less, and hopefully demonstrates that even the stiffest of blows is dealt with love and compassion.

Mimi

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

Nicely done , MIMI. I had to study and learn it myself.

 

[Mastertank1]

Wow!

This creed is a perfect expression of the way I've always felt about BDSM over the years, allowing for the fact that I've never used pain unless my 'lee/sub had explicitly asked for pain in pre-play discuassions.
With that minor caveat, I find nothing in there to disagree with. I've tried to express that myself in some posts on TMF, in which I described how I treat/deal with my 'lee/sub. This creed, however, is much more complete and eloquent than any formulation I've ever come up with. It's like this creed is what I've been groping towards for decades.
Thank you, MiMi, so very, very much for posting it.
Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

This creed is a perfect expression of the way I've always felt about BDSM over the years, allowing for the fact that I've never used pain unless my 'lee/sub had explicitly asked for pain in pre-play discuassions.
With that minor caveat, I find nothing in there to disagree with. I've tried to express that myself in some posts on TMF, in which I described how I treat/deal with my 'lee/sub. This creed, however, is much more complete and eloquent than any formulation I've ever come up with. It's like this creed is what I've been groping towards for decades.
Thank you, MiMi, so very, very much for posting it.
Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

The creed is an actually contract made in the d/s world. It is legit. There is also a submisive/slave creed as well. Not all people follow it except for the select few who take their abilities seriously whether dom or sub.

Note, this has to do with dominate/submissive relationship though. Not bondage/discipline play. A dom/sub relationship is just that. One is the top and one is the bottom. The dominant controls what the submissive does and acts. Which is why it is important that you don't have issues and use this as a way to get back at mommy who never gave you that pony. A submissive is there to serve you and all your needs. If you know nothing of your submissive than you could do some serious emotion damage. This person literally puts there thoughts, desires, and self-worth in your hands. When a submissive does something you do not like..you have to be wise enough to punish them..whether it be a spanking or even sleeping on the couch without you.(you have to realize, they depend on you..so sleeping away from you is actually a punishment) Depending on the serverity of the action does the punishment fit the crime..so to speak. Anyway, I thought I just give some insight on it. Stephanie Locke would probably be the best to give more information.

Maybe mimi could find the submissive creed and post it as well.

 

[Mimi]

Yep....I don't have a pretty graphic for it though, so here it is in plain text:



I will communicate with complete honesty my needs, desires, limits, and experience. I realize that failing to do so will not only prevent my Top and I from from having the best experience possible, but can also lead to physical and emotional harm.


I will not try to manipulate my Top. I will not push to make a scene go the way I feel it should. In other words, I will not top from the bottom.


I will keep an open mind about trying things that I am not comfortable with and expanding my limits. I will continue to grow as a submissive and as a human being.


I will accept the responsibility of discovering what pleases my Top, and will do my best to fufill his wishes and desires.


I will not allow myself to be harmed or abused. I know that submissive does not equal doormat.


I will be courteous and helpful to my fellow submissives. I will share my knowledge and experience with others in the hope that they will learn and benefit from where I have been. I will take the time to help those new to the scene start out on the correct path.


I will be responsive to my Top. I will not try to hide what my mind and body are feeling so that I may assist him in his responsibilities as my authority. I know that Dominants are not telepaths, and will not expect my Top to know thoughts or feelings which I do not share.


I will accept in the responsibility of a scene or relationship gone bad. I will not place total blame on my Top when it is not warranted simply because he is the Dominant. I realize that things may not work out as they should at times, and will do my best to put it behind me and move on.


I will give my gift of submission only to those that can responsibly accept and desire to receive. I will not place anyone in the position of Topping me non-consensually, nor will I give my respect to someone that has not earned it.


I know that D/s is not a contest, and will never think myself a "better" submissive because I choose to submit on a different level than another. I will not be boastful of the experiences I have had as a bottom.


I will be obedient to my Top even if I disagree with what he is requesting. I realize he has my best interests at heart and often knows better than I what I need in a particular situation.


I know that my actions reflect upon my Top, and will do my best to help others see him in a positive way. I will not intentionally embarrass or displease my Dominant.


Above all, I will wear my title of submissive with honor. I will never cause others to think that being submissive means to be weak or sub-human. I will take pride in who and what I am and will never show myself in a negative way.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

thanks mimi..i edit my second post abit.

 

[isabeau]

i've read this creed on a website once. i am so fascinated by the Dom/sub relationship. it is something that truly intrigues me, seeing as i have been told i'm a natural born submissive.

Ticklerguy4u great post, it said it all to me.

thanks Mimi

isabeau

 

[TicklishLurker]

I will not try to manipulate my Top. I will not push to make a scene go the way I feel it should. In other words, I will not top from the bottom.

This is the one I really want to master, but is the hardest to do. I'm a spoiled brat who's used to getting her own way. I don't want to top from the bottom, but I do it instinctively.

RedMage once scent me a BDSM play/checklist that I filled out. I won't post the whole thing unless requested. (Cause my copy's filled out. I do know if you search Google you can find it easy on a bunch of D/s related websites.) But here's the instructions on how to fill it out -

This checklist should be filled out by a Sub and provided to their Dom/Top before playing with them.

This will provide a quick "head-start" to identifying limits, negotiating and finding common ground for play. Dominants may wish to work through the checklist, to get a better handle on their specific interests. Switches should go through the checklist twice; one persons Dom and Sub interests may be very different.

For each item, you need to provide two answers:

For experience, write YES or NO next to each item to indicate if you have ever DONE that activity.

Mark N/A if it does not apply to your gender.

For willingness, indicate for each item how you feel about DOING that activity by rating it on a scale of NO or 0 to 5.

"?" means you don't understand what the item is attempting to describe.

NO means you will NOT do that item under any circumstances (a hard limit).

0 (zero) indicates you have utterly no desire to do that activity and don't like doing it (in fact, may loath it) and would ordinarily object to doing it, but you would permit the Dominant to do it if it they really wanted it. (sometimes called a "soft limit").

1 means you don't want to do or like to do this activity, but wouldn't object if it was asked of you.

2 means you are willing to do this activity, but it has no special appeal for you.

3 means you usually like doing this activity, at least on an irregular/ occasional basis.

4 means you like doing this activity, and would like to experience it on a regular basis.

5 means the activity is a wild turn-on for you, and you would like it as often as possible.

Mark with an asterisk (*) those items which you are willing to do only with your current sex partner(s), but not with casual play-partners.

Note any additional information or nuances which might be important for your Dom to know in the margin to the right. For example under diapers you might wish to distinguish between "wetting" and "soiling".

There is intentionally some overlap between categories. Unless otherwise stated, the Sub is the recipient/target of the activity.

*grins* Guess what item I put 5++++++++++++++++++ by? LOL

 

[Mastertank1]

Duuuhhh.....

This is the one I really want to master, but is the hardest to do. I'm a spoiled brat who's used to getting her own way. I don't want to top from the bottom, but I do it instinctively.

RedMage once scent me a BDSM play/checklist that I filled out. I won't post the whole thing unless requested. (Cause my copy's filled out. I do know if you search Google you can find it easy on a bunch of D/s related websites.) But here's the instructions on how to fill it out -



*grins* Guess what item I put 5++++++++++++++++++ by? LOL

Kissing? Back scratching? Duuuhhh?
Mastertank1
We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[drew70]

With all the confusion we see about the true roles of each partner in a D/s relationship, particularly ones where pain, punishment, and humilation is often used in the course of a session, I thought it would be kind of cool to post this. I am certain it will not change the mind of anyone who is in set in their belief that either the Master or slave or both roles are crimes against humanity, but it's interesting none the less, and hopefully demonstrates that even the stiffest of blows is dealt with love and compassion.

That last clause would be enough to send a chill down anybody's spine were it not ridiculous bordering on hilarity. I like the phrase "all the confusion" as if to suggest that anybody who dares raise an eyebrow at the concept of somebody taking delight from inflicting pain on another doesn't understand "what's really going on." 🙄

This doesn't offend me. I find it most entertaining. Besides a good long laugh, the one thing I took away from this "creed" is a note of how desperate the BDSM crowd is to justify an abusive and unhealthy lifestyle. Like the rest of us are supposed to believe that one must swear to abide by an agreed upon set of rules or guidelines before one can get one's BDSM liscence.

Let's have a closer look at this "creed," shall we? 😀

Above all else a Master Cherishes Their slave/submissive, in the knowledge that the Gift the slave/submissive Gives Them is the Greatest Gift of all.​

That gift often being a signed contract in which the recipient of the abuse gives consent and agrees not to report the abuse to the police.

A Master is in Control of Themself First & Foremost, so that They may Control others.​

Masters are control freaks. To control by means of inflicting pain feeds their self-image of superiority.

As a Stern & Demanding Master, They can cause Their slave/submissive to Cry real tears.​

Real tears as the result of real cigar burns, real broken bones, real concussions and contusions!

As the Consummate Lover, They will then Kiss the tears away, Without stepping out of character.​

Because we all know that it's more important to stay in character, than to actually have any.

In times of Trouble, a Master will leave the roles behind, to be a supportive Friend & Parther, Never forgetting that this is still a Loving Relationship between Two caring Individuals.​

"Times of Trouble" occur when a friend or family member reports the abuse to the authorities. At such times, is the master willing to step out of his true sadistic character, and adopt a benevolent guise.

A Master is quick to Understand the Differences between Fantasy & Reality.​

Right. They won't settle for pretending to inflict injurious pain on their slaves. No make-believe wasps or cigars. They gotta have the real thing! Their slave has to feel the pain, in order for these guys to bust a nut.

A Master would Never ask a slave/submissive to put Them before their Career, or Family, just to satisfy Their own pleasure.​

Perhaps not, but they won't hesitate to put the slave through violent injury, degradation, and humiliation...just to satisfy Their own pleasure.

To win a slaves/submissive's Mind, Body, Spirit, Soul, & Love, a Master knows They must first win their Trust.​

Hey, the guy wants to jab you with a cattle prod and burn holes in your skin with a cigar. What's not to trust?

A Master will show Their slave/submissive Humor, Kindness, and Warmth.​

Not to mention whips, cats of nine tails, needle-nose pliers, and various bludgeoning objects. Call it nitpicking, but I don't believe that a master urinating on his slave qualifies as "showing warmth."

A Master must always show them that Their Guidance & Tutoring is Knowledgeable & Deserving of their attention, that This is a Person they can learn from, & that they can Trust Their Direction.​

They achieve this by insisting that when the slave is actually permitted to write of their experiences, they must capitalize the first letter of not only the word master, but any pronoun by which he is referred, as well as any adjective or verb that relates to the master. And if they still don't learn, a few beatings serve well to drive the lesson home.

A Master is Romantic enough to be Protective and Chivalrous.​

Yes, he makes sure the slave's collar has a rose carnation before he begins hauling her about, and he always opens the pillory door for his slave. Now that's chivalry.

When called upon, They will Fight for Their slaves/submissive's Honor.​

Since they have no honor of their own for which to fight.

When it comes time to Teach Their slave/submissive their lessons of obedience, They are a Strong and Unyielding professor. A Master will accept no flaw. Nothing less than Perfection from Their student.​

Even though the master is far from perfect, he demands perfection from his slave. A master's over-inflated ego requires him to seek submissives who will feed his God-complex.

Never does a Master use Discipline without a Good Reason. When They do punish Their slave/submissive, it is always with a Knowledgeable and Careful hand.​

Yes, we certainly wouldn't want to put an eye out with that burning cigar, now would we?

A Master is Always Open to Communication & Discussion; Always Ready to Hear Their submissive's wants & needs.​

Arguably the most absurd and intelligence-insulting comment of the lot.

A Master Never has to demand ritual behavior from Their slave/submissive. Their slave/submissive responds to Them out of the Want of Pleasing Them. Compliance comes from the Wanting to please, Not the Fear of Punishment.​

Then why punish?

A Master Understands the Fragile nature of the Mind & Body & Never violates the Trust Given to Them.​

Unless of course you consider a backhand or a punch in the gut a violation.

A Master's tools are Mind, Body, Spirit, Soul, & Love.​

And if those don't work, there's always knives, nipple clamps, and branding irons!

A Master Understands that E/each partner Gains Most from Pleasure the O/other.​

While this sounds very co-equal and consensual, you'll rarely see the master interested in experiencing for himself the "pleasure" he inflicts on his slaves. Gee, I wonder why?

M/maybe the only C/confusion is over the A/author's O/obsession with C/capitalization and S/slash marks.

😀

 

[kis123]

Drew:

I can understand and possibly agree with some of your viewpoints, but you're not going to win on this one. It simply comes down to the issue of agreeing to disagree.

The BDSM world will turn regardless of anyone who disagrees. Go ahead and state how you feel, but know that you're probably going to change anyone's mind about it.

 

[TicklishLurker]

Drew:

I can understand and possibly agree with some of your viewpoints, but you're not going to win on this one. It simply comes down to the issue of agreeing to disagree.

The BDSM world will turn regardless of anyone who disagrees. Go ahead and state how you feel, but know that you're probably going to change anyone's mind about it.

I assume you mean "Not" in there - 😉

Thing is, so many people have those misconseptions about BDSM without even studying it - IE: The writers of Law & Order. They forget that the #1 rule is Safe, Sane, and CONSENSUAL. I enjoy being spanked as part of foreplay just as much as I enjoy being tickled. In fact, the BDSM comunity is probably more against abuse then any other group out there. I've seen them send out warnings about wannabe doms, talked to people who "kidnap" and deprogram those who are in abusive relationships - they agree with me that there should be stronger laws/punishments for pedophiles and rapists way more then the vanila comunity does. (Vanila people usually preach "rehabilitation." BDSM people usually agree with "Lock them up and never let them out where they can harm again.")

Drew's got a right to his opinion, but you know there'll always be people who enjoy pain. Remember that there are people who think us tickle-philes are the sickest perverts out there. I've known people who are more accepting of scat play then tickling. And these were the kind of "I only do missionary" type people.

 

[kis123]

I assume you mean "Not" in there - 😉

Thing is, so many people have those misconseptions about BDSM without even studying it - IE: The writers of Law & Order. They forget that the #1 rule is Safe, Sane, and CONSENSUAL. I enjoy being spanked as part of foreplay just as much as I enjoy being tickled. In fact, the BDSM comunity is probably more against abuse then any other group out there. I've seen them send out warnings about wannabe doms, talked to people who "kidnap" and deprogram those who are in abusive relationships - they agree with me that there should be stronger laws/punishments for pedophiles and rapists way more then the vanila comunity does. (Vanila people usually preach "rehabilitation." BDSM people usually agree with "Lock them up and never let them out where they can harm again.")

Drew's got a right to his opinion, but you know there'll always be people who enjoy pain. Remember that there are people who think us tickle-philes are the sickest perverts out there. I've known people who are more accepting of scat play then tickling. And these were the kind of "I only do missionary" type people.

Yes, I did mean to insert "not."

I know little to nothing about the BDSM world. I know it's not something that I as a complete control freak would find appealing. But I'm learning to understand that subs/doms have their needs and as long as no one is being forced past their limits, I don't have a problem with it.

 

[TicklishLurker]

Yes, I did mean to insert "not."

I know little to nothing about the BDSM world. I know it's not something that I as a complete control freak would find appealing. But I'm learning to understand that subs/doms have their needs and as long as no one is being forced past their limits, I don't have a problem with it.

Everything I've read, heard, and experienced sets out one rule in the BDSM comunity - if the sub has a hard limit - a true dom does NOT cross it, ever. So if the sub says no burning, cutting, etc - the dom does not do it. If the sub says no anal - then there is absolutely no anal nor pressure to do it. And if a dom does break a hard limit, the sub can call halt to the scene and leave it at any time. Plus that dom faces being blacklisted. (I've seen this happen when I use to hang out on D/s Kisok(sp?) - a dom had broken a sub's hard limit and they were banned from the site, from clubs, and their name and information past around to every person known in the comunity with a warning to stay away from them.)

That's why I mentioned I filled out a checklist someone had come up with as a way for a dom to know what their sub is willing to do or not - and any special considerations. For instance, I'm allergic to latex, so I cannot wear latex outfits unless the dom wants to deal with me having a giant all over body rash. I also have gentic bladder, kidney, and bowel problems which means no controlling when I can go. If the dom does not let me go when I need to, they'll either end up with a big mess or I'll end up with a major infection.

So in a way, a sub is the one really in control because they set the limits, they say "This is what I will not do and if you make me do it, I will leave."

 

[drew70]

Drew:

I can understand and possibly agree with some of your viewpoints, but you're not going to win on this one. It simply comes down to the issue of agreeing to disagree.

The BDSM world will turn regardless of anyone who disagrees. Go ahead and state how you feel, but know that you're probably going to change anyone's mind about it.

I'm not out to change anybody's mind nor to win anything. I'm here to provide an alternative point of view, that's all. 🙂

 

[TicklishLurker]

I'm not out to change anybody's mind nor to win anything. I'm here to provide an alternative point of view, that's all. 🙂

And you're entitled to your opinion.

I tend to take most things like a "Don't try to convert me, I won't try to convert you." Be it religion, politics, or in this case, sexual lifestyles. I just feel a need to defend BDSM from time to time though I'm no athority, I just know what I've read, seen, heard, and experienced. I'm sure others feel the same from time to time when it comes to something they enjoy.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

Drew, no offense, but you sound like a "broken" submissive.

 

[Hiryu]

With all the confusion we see about the true roles of each partner in a D/s relationship, particularly ones where pain, punishment, and humilation is often used in the course of a session, I thought it would be kind of cool to post this. I am certain it will not change the mind of anyone who is in set in their belief that either the Master or slave or both roles are crimes against humanity, but it's interesting none the less, and hopefully demonstrates that even the stiffest of blows is dealt with love and compassion.

Mimi

Touching......

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

Unfortunately the creed is important because of certain individuals that take BDSM and use it to be sadistic. But not everyone.
It just annoys me when people hate to be judged but certainly would be the first to judge another.

 

[Mastertank1]

The title of the original post

said; "Not for everyone--concerns BDSM--do not open if offended.
Drew 70, was ther e some part of that you were unable to understand?
Let me be clear; personally I have never initiated the use of pain in a BDSM scene; I have only included pain if the sub I was working with brought it up with no prompting and asked for it specifically during pre-play discussions. Even then I only inflicted pain as an accommodation to the needs of the sub, because I do not personally enjoy inflicting pain.
That being understood, I defend the rights of those who do enjoy the FULLY CONSENSUAL infliction and reciept of pain to do so, without being attacked by someone who tars all Doms as vicious sadists and seems to regard all subs as mentally ill persons who are being taken advantage of. Yes, I know you didn't use those exact words, but that seemed to be the implication.
Honestly, your rant sounded damn near hysterical in places. I don't know what kind of horror you experienced or witnessed, but I'm sure all the doms on the TMF site will promise not to kidnap and torture you against your will, if that'll make you feel better.
Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[drew70]

Drew, no offense, but you sound like a "broken" submissive.

None taken. That which is "broken," can almost always be "fixed." 😉

The title of the original post said; "Not for everyone--concerns BDSM--do not open if offended.
Drew 70, was ther e some part of that you were unable to understand?

Early in my response I said, "This does not offend me. I find it most entertaining." Mastertank1, was there some part of that you are unable to understand?

Let me be clear; personally I have never initiated the use of pain in a BDSM scene; I have only included pain if the sub I was working with brought it up with no prompting and asked for it specifically during pre-play discussions. Even then I only inflicted pain as an accommodation to the needs of the sub, because I do not personally enjoy inflicting pain.

I'm pleased that I don't have to alter my high opinion of you. During the time in which you've been posting you've always seemed to me to be a gentleman, and to put the needs and wishes of the ladies above your own. I admire that in a person.

That being understood, I defend the rights of those who do enjoy the FULLY CONSENSUAL infliction and reciept of pain to do so, without being attacked by someone who tars all Doms as vicious sadists and seems to regard all subs as mentally ill persons who are being taken advantage of. Yes, I know you didn't use those exact words, but that seemed to be the implication.

I think you're exaggerating. I only denounce males who take delight in inflicting pain on females, regardless of consent. I don't regard subs as mentally ill, but I do regard the craving for injury not to be in one's best interests. Also I don't believe "consent" to be an effective blanket excuse for any action under the sun.

Honestly, your rant sounded damn near hysterical in places. I don't know what kind of horror you experienced or witnessed, but I'm sure all the doms on the TMF site will promise not to kidnap and torture you against your will, if that'll make you feel better.
Mastertank1

If you want to talk about horrors, talk to Susannah355, if she's even still around. Mimi was pretty rough on her, so she might feel a little less than welcome. As for being kidnapped, I appreciate your concern but I'm not worried. First, I think most of the "doms" here are more interested in tickling women than inflicting pain. Of the few exceptions to this rule, well they tend to shy away from those willing to defend themselves. Their "bravery" comes once the victim is bound and helpless, you understand. But I might feel better if you can help me with a few points of this creed on which I'm stuck? I appreciate any insight you can offer.

A master is Demanding & takes full advantage of the power Given to Them, but Knows how to Share the Pleasure that comes from that Precious Gift.​

I get the "demanding" and the "taking full advantage" parts all too well, but I'm wondering with whom the master shares "the Pleasure."? Does he share his slave with his drinking buddies? Let them get in a few whacks and punches, perhaps? I hope you're not going to tell me that he shares "the Pleasure" with his victim, since the pleasure of the sadist differs radically from that of the masochist.

A Master must always show them that Their Guidance Y Tutoring is Knowledgeable & Deserving of their attention, that This is a Person they can Learn from, & that they can Trust Their Direction.​

This point seems to suggest that a master must exhibit intellectual superiority, that the slave can "learn from" him. How does a master determine for himself whether or not he's qualified to teach and give direction? Is there some kind of IQ test, or exam that certifies a master is competent to teach his slave and provide "direction?" I can't help but think of Bella, one of the wisest people on this forum, and how so very few are her intellectual equal, much less her superior. I have to wonder what a self-proclaimed master could teach her.

 

[Strider]

Interesting, I'd generally agree with the points made. It's hit me recently that I could probably be a lifestyle player except for the fact that what I want to do with my future is completely incompatible with that.

 

[Mimi]

*sigh*

Respect dwindling, dwindling....gone. Ah well, it was nice while it lasted. I'll always think about what could have been.

In the meantime, I'm going to go back into our bedroom and let Lazzy beat the hell out of me for a while for no other reason than his own sadistic pleasure...especially since I'm mentally incompetent, and completely unable to defend myself. 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

 

[drew70]

Make sure he remembers to "share the Pleasure." That's important, I'm told.

 

[isabeau]

um i think the title of this thread says it all. it states a Master's creed, if offended dont open the thread. Mimi was just trying to show what a true Master is and also what a true submissive is. its not all about pain, its about discipline and control and respect imo. a true Dominant will always respect his submissive, thats what safe words are for. a true Dominant cares and in most cases loves his submissive and would never harm her. her safety comes first always. this is consensual stuff here. no one forces a submissive to become one. i've read enough bdsm stories to separate the true Dom to the one who only gets delight in inflicting pain and torture to his submissive. a true Dom never takes his submissive any further than they agree to, or that he knows for sure that she or he can handle.. not sure if this makes sense, but its how i see the lifestyle.

isabeau