I have a question for anybody here who reads tickling fiction. Basically i'm curiouse as to how many people would enjoy a more seriouse type of tickling fiction? One that focus's on the charactors and more serious issues, such religion, suicide and other strong issues.
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a question for the fiction readers here
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Depends
It really depends on the tone someone tries to go for. There are writers that I have seen who do take a very serious approach to tickling fiction, but at the same time add a *wink* to the audience to keep things from getting TOO heavy-handed. Marauder and ShemthePenman are two guys who have done the best body of work that demonstrates this.
When people sit down to read fetish material, the goal is usually to enjoy themselves, not to feel uncomfortable. Say if someone wrote a story where one of the characters commits suicide: what happens if the reader has had direct experience with it? This once happy person who was trying to relax is suddenly attacked (unintentionally) by somethnig they were starting to like. Writers in general don't like to alienate their readers unless it makes a statement or acts as an experiment in literature.
But it is possible to be serious without being discomforting.
It's fairly simple: what you do is you darken the tone without enhancing the sense of danger.
1. Take the victim and take away their control of a situation in increments; this increases dread, which is more effective than shock.
2. Make the villain/tormentor impervious or indifferent to their actions. Sadistic villains are good, but if poorly handled, they become charicatures that the victim can't predict, but the reader can.
3. Make the torture unbelievably cruel, but creative. If the first torture is maddening, make sure the second one is even worse; the third incomprehensible. If the torture is prolongued, the reader gets as exhausted as the victim...that's a good thing.
All of these things make the tone of a story extremely dark because the victim is going to suffer horribly and there is nothing they can do about it; this is what readers like. Gets the adrenaline and the hormones pumping.
But if you introduce potential death and injury, the fun is over. That's not to say there can't be SOME kind of action, but the less serious it really is, the more enjoyable the story.
NOW...
The problem with including the factors you mentioned, like religion etc. is that it stops the story dead and starts emotional conflict. People in this community are notorious for their reactions to issues, and to bring that into the fiction would be a disaster.
The best bet would be to follow the example of the porn industry: they have their run-of-the-mill low-budget thrill tapes, and then there are the ones with the big budgets and high production values that come very close to looking like real films. They're both made to entertain, but one of them goes into more work, effort and detail to intensify the sophistication.
In tickling fiction, this is usually done by having a great story and a clever style. I've long grown tired of tickling stories with corny dialogue, ridiculous explanations (tickling serums? Get real!), and villains that reek of melodramatic Bond-film rip offs that you find on the direct to video wall. Sophisticated megalomaniacs who say things like "it's quite hopeless" and "laughter is like fine wine" are not threatening, and the ones who keep saying "my dear" should be put to sleep before they put the reader to sleep.
Tickling fiction could certianly use a break from corrupt law enforcement officials and psychotic Christian fundamentalists who use tickling to brainwash and condition young people. A real challenge would be tickling humor; something akin to Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett.
Now THAT would be a refresher. Just don't look to me to do it...as much as I'd like to, I don't have the skill to pull it off. But I do believe that that type of writer is out there...they just have to come out and do it.
It really depends on the tone someone tries to go for. There are writers that I have seen who do take a very serious approach to tickling fiction, but at the same time add a *wink* to the audience to keep things from getting TOO heavy-handed. Marauder and ShemthePenman are two guys who have done the best body of work that demonstrates this.
When people sit down to read fetish material, the goal is usually to enjoy themselves, not to feel uncomfortable. Say if someone wrote a story where one of the characters commits suicide: what happens if the reader has had direct experience with it? This once happy person who was trying to relax is suddenly attacked (unintentionally) by somethnig they were starting to like. Writers in general don't like to alienate their readers unless it makes a statement or acts as an experiment in literature.
But it is possible to be serious without being discomforting.
It's fairly simple: what you do is you darken the tone without enhancing the sense of danger.
1. Take the victim and take away their control of a situation in increments; this increases dread, which is more effective than shock.
2. Make the villain/tormentor impervious or indifferent to their actions. Sadistic villains are good, but if poorly handled, they become charicatures that the victim can't predict, but the reader can.
3. Make the torture unbelievably cruel, but creative. If the first torture is maddening, make sure the second one is even worse; the third incomprehensible. If the torture is prolongued, the reader gets as exhausted as the victim...that's a good thing.
All of these things make the tone of a story extremely dark because the victim is going to suffer horribly and there is nothing they can do about it; this is what readers like. Gets the adrenaline and the hormones pumping.
But if you introduce potential death and injury, the fun is over. That's not to say there can't be SOME kind of action, but the less serious it really is, the more enjoyable the story.
NOW...
The problem with including the factors you mentioned, like religion etc. is that it stops the story dead and starts emotional conflict. People in this community are notorious for their reactions to issues, and to bring that into the fiction would be a disaster.
The best bet would be to follow the example of the porn industry: they have their run-of-the-mill low-budget thrill tapes, and then there are the ones with the big budgets and high production values that come very close to looking like real films. They're both made to entertain, but one of them goes into more work, effort and detail to intensify the sophistication.
In tickling fiction, this is usually done by having a great story and a clever style. I've long grown tired of tickling stories with corny dialogue, ridiculous explanations (tickling serums? Get real!), and villains that reek of melodramatic Bond-film rip offs that you find on the direct to video wall. Sophisticated megalomaniacs who say things like "it's quite hopeless" and "laughter is like fine wine" are not threatening, and the ones who keep saying "my dear" should be put to sleep before they put the reader to sleep.
Tickling fiction could certianly use a break from corrupt law enforcement officials and psychotic Christian fundamentalists who use tickling to brainwash and condition young people. A real challenge would be tickling humor; something akin to Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett.
Now THAT would be a refresher. Just don't look to me to do it...as much as I'd like to, I don't have the skill to pull it off. But I do believe that that type of writer is out there...they just have to come out and do it.
Shem the Penman
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I've often said that when I write a tickling story, I want it to be able to stand on its own merits -as a story- as well as a vehicle for mental titillation. Doing that does require giving the characters a bit of a background. But that given, I've never tried writing something like Return of the Native with tickling in -- there's a point where too much detail and too much complexity gets in the way of appreciating the tickling bits, and that's no better than one of those things that's all tickling, no story.
Contrary to Amnesiac, I don't think a darker, more gothic tone is necessarily more "serious" -- at least, not in the sense you seem to be using "serious" in. Nor do I think that using heavy themes like suicide and religion make a story serious. Seriousness is something you find in character depth and believability, whatever your tone.
Contrary to Amnesiac, I don't think a darker, more gothic tone is necessarily more "serious" -- at least, not in the sense you seem to be using "serious" in. Nor do I think that using heavy themes like suicide and religion make a story serious. Seriousness is something you find in character depth and believability, whatever your tone.
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cosmo,
I would love to see stories where the tickling looked more "mainstream" because it is not the primary or exclusive focus of the fiction. Also, I definitely think one can deal with "serious" issues if the underlying light-hearted quality is not abandoned.
dig dug dog
I would love to see stories where the tickling looked more "mainstream" because it is not the primary or exclusive focus of the fiction. Also, I definitely think one can deal with "serious" issues if the underlying light-hearted quality is not abandoned.
dig dug dog
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I've always tried for a darker, more serious tone with many of my stories, and I agree with the things mentioned that can kill a story along those lines. It's a fine line to walk when you are writing in such a particular genre. It's very easy to go from dread-inspiring to hokey with a keystroke.
I also agree that humor is used far too little in most tickling fiction. Some of the most enjoyable stories I've written were the funny ones. To balance serious tickle-torture with a sense of humor can be daunting without losing sight of either, but I guess it depends on what any given writer has inside of them.
Many things can be used in fiction to bring about extreme tickling, but I agree that there has to be at least a somewhat plausable explanation. Tickling serums and injections that "make the victim a hundred times more ticklish" just don't cut it after awhile. Tickling machines can work, but you have to make sure they fit within the pretext of the setting you're working in.
To me, the most important thing in any story-telling is character development. You need to care about the characters, or have a reason to want to see them get what they deserve. Antagonists need a reason to be antagonists, beyond the standard "revenge" plot. Or at least have the motive for revenge clearly defined so as to be believeable.
I think what Cosmo is getting at is the difference between tickling stories and stories with tickling in them. Fully developed stories that simply have tickling as the theme, or perhaps a part of the theme. This leaves you open to sci-fi, horror, comedy...what have you.
There are a lot of new writers breaking out right now, and there's a jewel in every bunch waiting to be discovered.
Keep writing, people...it does the soul good. 😎
I also agree that humor is used far too little in most tickling fiction. Some of the most enjoyable stories I've written were the funny ones. To balance serious tickle-torture with a sense of humor can be daunting without losing sight of either, but I guess it depends on what any given writer has inside of them.
Many things can be used in fiction to bring about extreme tickling, but I agree that there has to be at least a somewhat plausable explanation. Tickling serums and injections that "make the victim a hundred times more ticklish" just don't cut it after awhile. Tickling machines can work, but you have to make sure they fit within the pretext of the setting you're working in.
To me, the most important thing in any story-telling is character development. You need to care about the characters, or have a reason to want to see them get what they deserve. Antagonists need a reason to be antagonists, beyond the standard "revenge" plot. Or at least have the motive for revenge clearly defined so as to be believeable.
I think what Cosmo is getting at is the difference between tickling stories and stories with tickling in them. Fully developed stories that simply have tickling as the theme, or perhaps a part of the theme. This leaves you open to sci-fi, horror, comedy...what have you.
There are a lot of new writers breaking out right now, and there's a jewel in every bunch waiting to be discovered.
Keep writing, people...it does the soul good. 😎
thanks
I know it's a bit late, but i just wanted to say thanks to all the people who posted on this thread. It's good to have at least some idea of how one of my stories might be recieved before i put it out. It also gives me an idea of how to present it. All in all, this has been very informative.
I know it's a bit late, but i just wanted to say thanks to all the people who posted on this thread. It's good to have at least some idea of how one of my stories might be recieved before i put it out. It also gives me an idea of how to present it. All in all, this has been very informative.
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I like this thread because it raises an issue I have thought about for some time and finally did something a bout (even if just for my own satisfaction🙂 When I began reading tickling stories I was so thrilled to actually see stories about someone tickling and getting tickled I read them non-stop...but after the first 20 or so that I read I started getting bored out of my mind...I remember thinking that it seemed as though many writers of tickle fiction relied upon a form story with the same vocabulary as everyone else writing tickle stories...of course there were and continue to be marvelous exceptions to this rule ...I have read stories by those I consider to be gods among men regarding their writing abilities...anyway, I had so many ideas and fantasies and experiences I wanted to express that I wrote a few stories a bit ago...most of them are still either beginnings, middles or ends only...(I possess creativity but lack discipline...doh!) So I have decided to take some recent persistent advice and post a story on TMF...I know as a female I am opening myself up to possible judgement and criticism but I actually welcome constructive criticism...(bring it on🙂...please just remember if u read it that my goal in writing is expression not a pulitzer...grrr...lol...Thanks for this thread though because although I did put a few of my stories on my tickling groups I have been hesitant to put them on TMF because my stories are not ur typical tickle-phile stories...and for that reason I suppose I was unsure how they would be received....I suppose u will either love them or u will hate them...lol...but after seeing the posts here to this thread I am ancouraged to go for it...lol...now if I can just figure out where to post it....lol..doo da doo...byeee🙂
~ticklemmmeeeeeee
~ticklemmmeeeeeee... 😕
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~ticklemmmeeeeeee
~ticklemmmeeeeeee... 😕
🙄Re: Depends
It's taken me a few of days since I read this post to come back and say thank you for the inspiration. I read this sentence late Saturday night, and thought, "They're right! No one's ever does that! What a great idea!"
I woke up at 10:30AM Sunday morning, sat down at the computer and started writing. I think I may have stopped one or two times to come up for air, and I had to eventually force myself to stop at 3AM (I'd written 23 pages) to try and get some sleep.
My imagination has been running wild with the possibilities in this story now, full tilt for the past 3 days, and I just wanted to say thank you. I am absolutely loving every second of divine inspiration.
Amnesiac_m(pc) said:
It's taken me a few of days since I read this post to come back and say thank you for the inspiration. I read this sentence late Saturday night, and thought, "They're right! No one's ever does that! What a great idea!"
I woke up at 10:30AM Sunday morning, sat down at the computer and started writing. I think I may have stopped one or two times to come up for air, and I had to eventually force myself to stop at 3AM (I'd written 23 pages) to try and get some sleep.
My imagination has been running wild with the possibilities in this story now, full tilt for the past 3 days, and I just wanted to say thank you. I am absolutely loving every second of divine inspiration.
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Dear Ticklemeeeeee and Raichyll,
It's very exciting to hear about your writing efforts. I look forward to delving into them! Please post here to let us know when they are ready.
Thank you!
dig dug
It's very exciting to hear about your writing efforts. I look forward to delving into them! Please post here to let us know when they are ready.
Thank you!
dig dug
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Ticklemmmeeeeeee
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Hi dig dug...thanks so much for the interest....I posted a story in the stories section....grammar is bad but pretty accurately describes the way I speak...lol...I am the queen of run on sentences...guess I acquired that skill from a father who meant to be silly and goofy and make me laugh by interrupting my every sentence with "Is this a long story??!!??!!"...LOL...((childhood trauma!!!))...lol...anyway, as I stated in my story prologue...my goal in writing stories is expression not a pulitzer...thatnk goodness...lol...byeeee🙂...~ticklemmmeeeeeee🙂 
Tickling Fiction
Imagination and diversity seem to be the key to writing a good tickling story. Different tickling interests effect different writing styles. Some tickling fiction readers enjoy lighter tickling stories and some like their stories darker in nature. It's as simple as how you like your coffee.?
Imagination and diversity seem to be the key to writing a good tickling story. Different tickling interests effect different writing styles. Some tickling fiction readers enjoy lighter tickling stories and some like their stories darker in nature. It's as simple as how you like your coffee.?
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Raichyll, if you're looking for a few comedic tickling stories, check out my story forum, especially the "Conscience Trilogy", the "Interactive" stories and the Scooby-Doo story. You might get a kick out of them.
I love writing comedy, and since there seems to be a few people who like them, I might write some more. I only wrote them for my own pleasure, as I thought the community wouldn't get that much out of them. Shows what I know, eh?
I love writing comedy, and since there seems to be a few people who like them, I might write some more. I only wrote them for my own pleasure, as I thought the community wouldn't get that much out of them. Shows what I know, eh?
Dave2112 said:
Thanks Dave, I will check them out as soon as I get a chance. I'm certain that there are a lot of people who might appreciate a humorous tickling story.
Right now, I am still busy writing something that I can only describe as a story with tickling in - a la Pratchett/Adams. LOL! That's the way it's going anyway. I suspect it's going to be way too long to post. I might even try to get it published. We'll see...
The most important thing to me is I'm having a hell of a good time just writing it, because I love humor and creativity almost as much as I love being tickled. 😀
