Ah Shaq, what has happened to you?

[primetime]

It's amazing isn't it? A few years ago, people on this forum blasted me for defending the Lakers decision to trade Shaquille Oneal. "How can you do that? The Lakers are idiots for making this trade! Get rid of Kobe!" That's all I heard from Laker haters. Shaq went to Miami and won his championship and people still thought the Lakers made the wrong move. Well, what's your thoughts now?

Shaq did get a championship in Miami, but it was DWYANE WADE, not Shaq that got them that title. Shaq was a role player on that team as Wade took over in the Finals and Dallas choked. I remember me writing on this forum that Shaq was lazy, overweight and not motivated and he just wants to get paid, not work hard like other stars. The doubters said that I was wrong and it was Kobe's fault. Again, what are your thoughts now.

Funny how the Miami Heat let Shaq go in MIDSEASON. Why? Because Shaq is getting older, he isn't motivated, he's lazy and overpaid. Wade has questioned his motivation and work ethic. Riley sees the writing on the wall and traded Snack O'Neal to the Suns. Now, can I see the same people blast the Heat like they blasted the Lakers? Of course not, because that would make me RIGHT about Shaq. Can't have that can we?

As for Shaq. He will give a burst of energy early in his Suns career, but just like everywhere else, he will fall into the same work ethic he has. He's lazy. He's never motivated. How is he going to keep up with the Suns? The Suns will still be good, but Shaq is not the answer. No one in the West is even concerned with him being back in the West. Now, Shaq is a journeyman. Now will people recognize that the Lakers made the RIGHT move in trading Shaq? Because the Heat traded him in MIDSEASON. That speaks volumes.....

Oh yeah, watch out for the Lakers. Looks like we may in the championship picture....

 

[Krokus]

My only hope is that the Los Angeles Lakers go on to win the NBA title, and further confirm themselves as the 2nd best franchise in sports.

 

[Pagoda]

Shaq was just as important to Miami's title as Wade. Wade wouldn't have done it without Shaq. They needed each other.

As for now, I don't blame him. There's only so much mileage for a 300lb guy in the NBA. Had to run out some time. The Suns are idiots. Shawn Marion is one of the top 5 most valuable players in basketball.

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Shaq's a major comical figure in a league filled with them.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Hopefully, Shaq will get his fifth championship with the Suns.

 

[giggle-maker]

Heck, how many times has Shaq been swept in post season play? If I remember correctly it was 3 with Orlando and 3 with LA. 6 broomsticks shoved up "supermans" ass. And he's the free throw joke of the NBA! 10 feet away from the basket and he doesn't exist! Haraway didn't get the help he needed and neither did Kobe. Wade just got lucky the Mav's bombed. Good luck Phoenix.

 

[Strider]

I don't generally post on the sports forum, but, 3 years ago, I was actually one of the ones who pulled the "the Lakers traded the wrong one" line. Point being, I was wrong.

 

[tickletoy3]

First off you are mixing apples and oranges again. You can't compare Shaq of a "few years ago" with Shaq of 2008. At the time the Lakers traded Shaq he was a different player than he is today. To prove it he went to Miami and walked away with yet another NBA title.

It wasn't all Shaq and it wasn't all Wade. Just as in LA, it takes a team to win a title and neither Wade nor Kobe would have a ring without Shaq and Shaq would not have one without them.

Shaq is a shell of what he was a "few years ago" in his Lakers days. His only purpose in Phoenix is to put a body on Duncan and Parker and be a presence in the paint to avoid any easy baskets. He will play his limited minutes and his major contributions if any, will hardly make headlines. That's not what Phoenix had in mind when they got him.

Phoenix did not get Shaq with the intent of him lighting up the scoreboard and leading the league in rebounds or walking away with the NBA MVP. Get real.

Whether that's the final step Phoenix needs to finally get past San Antonio remains to be seen.

As far as Miami trading Shaq in midseason that only stands to reason. He's expensive and Miami is going nowhere with him, Wade, Riley or anybody else this year. Miami is a joke this season. And if it was ALL WADE, what is Miami's record with him? Why are they still losing? Proof again, it takes a team to win and this season Miami is sorely lacking in many departments. The loss of Alonzo was a huge blow to Miami. They are not the TEAM they were a "few years ago".

At the time when LA traded Shaq they wanted a younger player with more mileage in the tank. Kobe was their choice. Shaq packed his bags, moved on and won another NBA title.

Both parties got what they wanted out of the deal.

So to answer your question, what has Shaq done? He's gotten himself traded to a serious playoff contender with a role and expectations allocated to his present limited abilities and has yet another chance to grab a NBA title.

 

[primetime]

But the point I am making is the Lakers saw this happening, that's why they traded Shaq. And yes, it was ALL WADE who won them that title. What the hell did Shaq do during the NBA Finals versus Dallas? Not much. It was Alonzo Mourning who made the difference. Wade was completely unstoppable and the Mavericks choked. Shaq is not the reason they won the title. The Heat STILL WOULD HAVE WON THE TITLE IF SHAQ SAT THE ENTIRE SERIES.

What do we hear about Shaq now? He's old, unmotivated, lazy, overpaid, etc. This is coming from the Heat. Funny, that was the exact same thing Laker fans were saying when he was traded. Would I have liked to have Shaq still. Of course. He was fun, but when he started to demand a huge chunk of money and all he has shown me was laziness, unmotivated and getting older, I would have traded him too. The Lakers made the RIGHT move.

It makes no sense for the Suns to trade for Shaq. What was Shaq doing against the EAST centers this year? What has Shaq done to stay healthy this year? What has Shaq shown this year to prove he is motivated and Laker fans were wrong about him? The answer to all the questions is NOTHING. Now Shaq is supposed to help the Suns out West where the overall ltalent level is better? The Suns are truly reaching with Shaq. Funny thing is, I laughed when Shaq got traded to the Suns. It destroys the Suns and their "fun n' gun" offense and Shaq will be humbled with the younger, more talented West teams.

Again, Shaq was has happened to you? Time to retire big guy....Time to retire. You will be a NBA legend, don't ruin your legacy...

 

[storm7400]

Wow another naive Shaq hater. All the man does is take his teams to the Finals and has won 4 out of 5 series Finals. Stop crying about being right and deal with the fact that Shaq is the man and will help the Suns get over the hump and to the Finals. BTW with Kobe hurt, say bye bye to that bs pipe dream of the Lakers winning the Title.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

what you have to understand is what made him so dominant is what is now his biggest enemy. It IS HIS MASSIVE FRAME. He can`t stay healthy.They can list him at what they want, He has always been at least 330lbs on his 7`1 frame. when he got older he was between 375 & 400lbs.

 

[primetime]

Storm, do you even know what you are talking about? No, because anyone who has followed Shaq's career, would know it was not ALL, let me spell that again, A-L-L Shaq that won those titles. If it weren't for Kobe and crew, Shaq has no rings. Kobe is the main reason why they even made the NBA Finals, then Shaq did his thing and crushed the tiny front lines of the East opponents. His 4th title was due to Alonzo Mourning and MAINLY Dwyane Wade.

Look, Shaq is NOT the same guy of 4-5 years ago. Shaq is about to be 36 years old. He is still too heavy. His prime is gone. Now, he is with a run and gun team? Does that make any sense? Had he went to Dallas or Utah, then that would have been very dangerous. Phoenix? I can't wait to see this fall apart.

Shaq will be good for those first few games. But Shaq is not the same. And guess what? Hack-a-Shaq still works. That will slow Phoenix down besides his overweight self. No one fears Shaq anymore. The West is not the East and the old man will realize he can't do what he used to do when he was in the West. Plus, that leaves the younger players in the West to now make names for themselves at Shaq's expense.

Don't get me wrong. Shaq is a NBA legend, but going to Phoenix made no sense at all. Wrong team, wrong system for him.

I love when people say the Lakers have no chance. People forget that other than the Boston Celtics, the Lakers have more championships than any other franchise. We are the premier franchise. We will be back......

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Storm, do you even know what you are talking about? No, because anyone who has followed Shaq's career, would know it was not ALL, let me spell that again, A-L-L Shaq that won those titles. If it weren't for Kobe and crew, Shaq has no rings. Kobe is the main reason why they even made the NBA Finals, then Shaq did his thing and crushed the tiny front lines of the East opponents. His 4th title was due to Alonzo Mourning and MAINLY Dwyane Wade.

Look, Shaq is NOT the same guy of 4-5 years ago. Shaq is about to be 36 years old. He is still too heavy. His prime is gone. Now, he is with a run and gun team? Does that make any sense? Had he went to Dallas or Utah, then that would have been very dangerous. Phoenix? I can't wait to see this fall apart.

Shaq will be good for those first few games. But Shaq is not the same. And guess what? Hack-a-Shaq still works. That will slow Phoenix down besides his overweight self. No one fears Shaq anymore. The West is not the East and the old man will realize he can't do what he used to do when he was in the West. Plus, that leaves the younger players in the West to now make names for themselves at Shaq's expense.

Don't get me wrong. Shaq is a NBA legend, but going to Phoenix made no sense at all. Wrong team, wrong system for him.

I love when people say the Lakers have no chance. People forget that other than the Boston Celtics, the Lakers have more championships than any other franchise. We are the premier franchise. We will be back......

I agree with you on just about everything you said. I will disagree with you on one point. Shaq would not be a good fit in Dallas . I live in the DFW area and have been a Mavs from since the beginning. The Mavs don`t run as much as the Suns but they don`t run the offense through the low post either. shaq was awful in the finals against the Mavs and he hasn`t gotten better since then

The Suns just got really old really fast. Shaq, Nash , and Hill are all 35 or very close to it

 

[storm7400]

Prime you can act like you are the authority on the NBA around here but sadly you aren't. Shaq fits great into Phoenix because he will be a presence in the middle and allows Amare to move to the Power Forward spot where he is best suited. You can disparage Shaq all you want and try to think that it was Kobe and crew that won those titles with the Lakers but guess what it was Shaq winning the Finals MVP's not your boy Kobe. Stop this nonsense right now.

 

[primetime]

FlockofSeagulls, at least you can see what I am trying to say. But, I do think Shaq would have fit in with the Mavericks. That was the Mavs problem, no low post presence. Dirk isnt strong enough. Because the Mavs actually pay attention to defense, that's why Shaq's huge lazy frame would have fit in. Utah would be a great fit for Shaq because they run half court sets and Boozer is a beast at power forward.

Which brings me to Storm. I can understand you are a Shaq fan, but you know nothing about basketball. What kind of offense does Phoenix run? Can you answer that? Is Mike D'Antoni's offense a half court type of offense, or it is a run the ball up the court as fast as you can and dish to the open man for easy baskets? Now, as you ponder that answer, what type of offense does Shaq flourish in? A halfcourt set, or a run and gun offense? Once you answer those two questions TRUTHFULLY, maybe you will be able to see why your thinking of Shaq is a GREAT FIT for the Suns is completely laughable. Sorry kid, this is where you step off and not talk with the big boys.

Now, for those who continue to think Shaq is the reason why the Lakers and Heat won titles. Does anyone ever pay attention to the games, or do they just sit there and read whatever the media says? "Shaq was finals MVP 3 times!" you say? Well, he should have been considering he played against Rick Smits (Indiana), Dikembe Mutombo (Philadelphia) and ??? (New Jersey). He played stiffs. What happened in the Finals that he lost? He scored a jillion points, but his team lost. Why? Because the Detroit Pistons didn't give a damn about Shaq and concentrated their defensive efforts on Kobe Bryant and the rest of the Lakers. Go back and watch the games if you think I'm lying. Detroit wanted to stop Kobe, NOT Shaq.

Again, do people ever watch games and pay attention to detail? Shaq was NOT A FACTOR in the Heat/Mavs finals. Shaq could have been in the locker room the ENTIRE SERIES and the Heat still would have won the title. Whenever there was a crucial moment in the game, guess where Shaq was. THE BENCH. Alonzo Mourning provided the great post play and Wade was unbelievable. Plus, the Mavs straight choked that Finals. A 2-0 lead and up by 10 in the 4th quarter in game 3 and then lose 4 in a row? Choke job. When the Heat won the 6th game, Shaq was on the bench waving a towel when Wade and Zo finished up the game. Shaq was NOT a factor in that series. Nor did he lead the Heat to the Finals. Shaq got a championship, he played a role, but if you think he played a MAJOR REASON why the Heat won, you have no clue about basketball. Again, I could sit with each and everyone of the doubters and watch the games again and I will personally point out why the Heat won that series. It wasn't because of Shaquille O'Neal.

Any other questions Storm?

 

[storm7400]

FlockofSeagulls, at least you can see what I am trying to say. But, I do think Shaq would have fit in with the Mavericks. That was the Mavs problem, no low post presence. Dirk isnt strong enough. Because the Mavs actually pay attention to defense, that's why Shaq's huge lazy frame would have fit in. Utah would be a great fit for Shaq because they run half court sets and Boozer is a beast at power forward.

Which brings me to Storm. I can understand you are a Shaq fan, but you know nothing about basketball. What kind of offense does Phoenix run? Can you answer that? Is Mike D'Antoni's offense a half court type of offense, or it is a run the ball up the court as fast as you can and dish to the open man for easy baskets? Now, as you ponder that answer, what type of offense does Shaq flourish in? A halfcourt set, or a run and gun offense? Once you answer those two questions TRUTHFULLY, maybe you will be able to see why your thinking of Shaq is a GREAT FIT for the Suns is completely laughable. Sorry kid, this is where you step off and not talk with the big boys.

Now, for those who continue to think Shaq is the reason why the Lakers and Heat won titles. Does anyone ever pay attention to the games, or do they just sit there and read whatever the media says? "Shaq was finals MVP 3 times!" you say? Well, he should have been considering he played against Rick Smits (Indiana), Dikembe Mutombo (Philadelphia) and ??? (New Jersey). He played stiffs. What happened in the Finals that he lost? He scored a jillion points, but his team lost. Why? Because the Detroit Pistons didn't give a damn about Shaq and concentrated their defensive efforts on Kobe Bryant and the rest of the Lakers. Go back and watch the games if you think I'm lying. Detroit wanted to stop Kobe, NOT Shaq.

Again, do people ever watch games and pay attention to detail? Shaq was NOT A FACTOR in the Heat/Mavs finals. Shaq could have been in the locker room the ENTIRE SERIES and the Heat still would have won the title. Whenever there was a crucial moment in the game, guess where Shaq was. THE BENCH. Alonzo Mourning provided the great post play and Wade was unbelievable. Plus, the Mavs straight choked that Finals. A 2-0 lead and up by 10 in the 4th quarter in game 3 and then lose 4 in a row? Choke job. When the Heat won the 6th game, Shaq was on the bench waving a towel when Wade and Zo finished up the game. Shaq was NOT a factor in that series. Nor did he lead the Heat to the Finals. Shaq got a championship, he played a role, but if you think he played a MAJOR REASON why the Heat won, you have no clue about basketball. Again, I could sit with each and everyone of the doubters and watch the games again and I will personally point out why the Heat won that series. It wasn't because of Shaquille O'Neal.

Any other questions Storm?

Ok now you are just starting to annoy me and questioning my knowledge makes you a total fraud considering I've actually coached basketball in the past. Thanks for proving to me that you are just a clown who watches Sportscenter and feels he's an expert.

Now on to Shaq and his fit in Phoenix. So let me get this straight, you are crying about him in an up tempo offense eventhough in such an offense you rarely, if ever, have all 5 guys running the court at one time. Maybe if you were actually a student of the game you would merely have to look to the "Showtime" Lakers teams with an aging and declining Kareem and see why Shaq makes perfect sense in this offense. The sheer fact that it allows Amare to move to Power Forward alone makes this a great trade. Maybe if you didn't fear the Suns you would actually be able to see that but alas you would have to take off the Lakers homer glasses and we all know thats impossible.

As for the Heat title, yes Wade was the on the court factor but for you to down play the off the court role of an established veteran like Shaq is ridiculous. Stop reciting your tired out rhetoric, it only serves to show how little you know.

 

[primetime]

Oh, so you coach basketball huh? Then if you are ever in the LA area, let's meet up, watch some film and I will point out to you EXACTLY what I am talking about. I don't spit out opinions without backing myself up. So "coach", why don't you go break out some films of Phoenix, what their style is and Shaq's "participation" during the Heat/Mavs Finals, then get back to me. Film doesn't lie.....If you are a coach, you would know this. I don't watch Sportscenter. I watch the games and form my own opinion.

Funny you should mention the Showtime Lakers. First of all, Kareem Abdul Jabar and Shaq are COMPLETELY different players. Magic Johnson is far superior to Steve Nash will ever be, No Phoenix Sun compares to James Worthy and those Lakers actually did play defense and weren't afraid to play defense unlike the current Suns. Remember Michael Cooper? Name a Sun that even gets close to his talent.

Here's the problem for the Suns, especially in 4th quarters. Remember Hack-A-Shaq? That kills the tempo. Phoenix doesn't play at a slow pace. They want to run it up and down the court. Shaq is 36 years old, but the beating he has received throughout his career is taking its toll. Kareem never experienced the physical punishment that Shaq has received, which is why Kareem was able to play for so long. Shaq is done. Oh yeah, he will show some spunk for the first few games, but he will slow down. Like FlockOfSeagulls mentioned, this is NOT the same Shaq. Why would the Heat even get rid of him considering the East is completely crappy this year?

I noticed you didn't answer my question Storm about Phoenix's offense and Shaq's style of play. Man, you know I am right. Basketball coach? hahahaha. You make me laugh. Break out the game film of the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Heat during Shaq's regime and show me how Shaq was the deciding factor. I can't say Kobe Bryant is the reason why the Lakers won. The team won. Shaq was a complete non-factor against the Spurs, but Kobe destroyed them to help the Lakers get to the Finals so Shaq can destroy the little East teams. In fact, when was the last time Shaq had a good series against the Spurs? Yeah, I can't think of it either.

The point being, the 2007-2008 Shaq is nowhere near the same as 1999-2000 Shaq. Phoenix made a desperate move and considering most GMs in the NBA questioned this trade helps my point. But, I have some basketball coach trying to tell me different. Again, you make me laugh.....

Watch some tapes "Coach". Watch some tapes then get back to me.

 

[storm7400]

Oh, so you coach basketball huh? Then if you are ever in the LA area, let's meet up, watch some film and I will point out to you EXACTLY what I am talking about. I don't spit out opinions without backing myself up. So "coach", why don't you go break out some films of Phoenix, what their style is and Shaq's "participation" during the Heat/Mavs Finals, then get back to me. Film doesn't lie.....If you are a coach, you would know this. I don't watch Sportscenter. I watch the games and form my own opinion.

Funny you should mention the Showtime Lakers. First of all, Kareem Abdul Jabar and Shaq are COMPLETELY different players. Magic Johnson is far superior to Steve Nash will ever be, No Phoenix Sun compares to James Worthy and those Lakers actually did play defense and weren't afraid to play defense unlike the current Suns. Remember Michael Cooper? Name a Sun that even gets close to his talent.

Here's the problem for the Suns, especially in 4th quarters. Remember Hack-A-Shaq? That kills the tempo. Phoenix doesn't play at a slow pace. They want to run it up and down the court. Shaq is 36 years old, but the beating he has received throughout his career is taking its toll. Kareem never experienced the physical punishment that Shaq has received, which is why Kareem was able to play for so long. Shaq is done. Oh yeah, he will show some spunk for the first few games, but he will slow down. Like FlockOfSeagulls mentioned, this is NOT the same Shaq. Why would the Heat even get rid of him considering the East is completely crappy this year?

I noticed you didn't answer my question Storm about Phoenix's offense and Shaq's style of play. Man, you know I am right. Basketball coach? hahahaha. You make me laugh. Break out the game film of the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Heat during Shaq's regime and show me how Shaq was the deciding factor. I can't say Kobe Bryant is the reason why the Lakers won. The team won. Shaq was a complete non-factor against the Spurs, but Kobe destroyed them to help the Lakers get to the Finals so Shaq can destroy the little East teams. In fact, when was the last time Shaq had a good series against the Spurs? Yeah, I can't think of it either.

The point being, the 2007-2008 Shaq is nowhere near the same as 1999-2000 Shaq. Phoenix made a desperate move and considering most GMs in the NBA questioned this trade helps my point. But, I have some basketball coach trying to tell me different. Again, you make me laugh.....

Watch some tapes "Coach". Watch some tapes then get back to me.

What is your malfunction clown? What don't you get that Shaq will not hurt the up tempo formula? Why do you completely ignore the fact that Amare as a 4 will completely change this team? I'll tell you why, because you are a CLOWN! You think you have a clue and yet you don't. Watch some tape? Why don't you, maybe then you'll realize that once Shaq gets a rebound and kicks to Nash to start the break and bam no change in the up tempo style that Phoenix runs. The fact that you can't realize that proves your ignorance you ridiculous homer.

I'm done with this argument because right now its all conjecture. Wait until after the All-Star break and the Playoffs when Shaq is leading Phoenix to the Finals. Maybe you can watch the tape with your boy Kobe because his ass will be home for damn sure.

 

[primetime]

Yep, just like I thought. You have no way of backing up your argument and disproving mine. Do you honestly think I would ask people to watch some game film, if it would make me look stupid? I challenge ANYONE to watch the film, then try to refute my points about Shaq. I WANT people to watch the film. Film doesn't lie. But people like you have no clue what they are talking about. Point is, Shaq is done. Why can't you see it? He is having lots of problems staying healthy. So if he gets hurt, then Amare goes right back to center, but then what? There is no Marion.

But your whole outlook is, Shaq gets a rebound, then dishes to Nash and there goes the fast break. What a novel idea? Gee, why didn't I think of that? Golly jee willikers! What a revelation! Now, what is Shaq's numbers with rebounds this year, WHILE HE WAS IN THE EAST? 7.8 rebounds per game. 7.8? In the EAST????!!!! Shaq's numbers are WAY DOWN. Now, he comes to the West and you expect him to be a rebounding machine against the tough, tough, TOUGH front lines of Western Conference teams? "Coach", get real. You think Tim Duncan is going to let Shaq simply grab a rebound? You think Shaq is going to outrebound Carlos Boozer? Yao Ming? Hell, Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol? Are you THAT dense? It's not that simple. Plus, these Suns ARE NOT the same as the 80's Lakers. Not even close.

I'm glad you are deciding to shut your mouth trying to debate this with me. You look pretty foolish and your simple "grab rebound and dish to Nash" line is downright comical. Wasn't Amare doing the same thing, or any other Sun? What does Shaq bring now being 36 years old, and injury prone? If the Suns got anyone else (i.e. Dwight Howard), then yeah, that would be one hell of a trade. But it's old Shaq, not Shaq of yesteryear, but injury prone, old 300+ pounds Shaq that is coming to Phoenix. Again, he will look good for the first month or so, but old man Shaq will wither down the stretch. He couldn't hack it in the East, but he's supposed to be better in the West. Hahahahahahaha, people crack me up. Bye Bye Coach. Better luck next time.....

 

[storm7400]

Yep, just like I thought. You have no way of backing up your argument and disproving mine. Do you honestly think I would ask people to watch some game film, if it would make me look stupid? I challenge ANYONE to watch the film, then try to refute my points about Shaq. I WANT people to watch the film. Film doesn't lie. But people like you have no clue what they are talking about. Point is, Shaq is done. Why can't you see it? He is having lots of problems staying healthy. So if he gets hurt, then Amare goes right back to center, but then what? There is no Marion.

But your whole outlook is, Shaq gets a rebound, then dishes to Nash and there goes the fast break. What a novel idea? Gee, why didn't I think of that? Golly jee willikers! What a revelation! Now, what is Shaq's numbers with rebounds this year, WHILE HE WAS IN THE EAST? 7.8 rebounds per game. 7.8? In the EAST????!!!! Shaq's numbers are WAY DOWN. Now, he comes to the West and you expect him to be a rebounding machine against the tough, tough, TOUGH front lines of Western Conference teams? "Coach", get real. You think Tim Duncan is going to let Shaq simply grab a rebound? You think Shaq is going to outrebound Carlos Boozer? Yao Ming? Hell, Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol? Are you THAT dense? It's not that simple. Plus, these Suns ARE NOT the same as the 80's Lakers. Not even close.

I'm glad you are deciding to shut your mouth trying to debate this with me. You look pretty foolish and your simple "grab rebound and dish to Nash" line is downright comical. Wasn't Amare doing the same thing, or any other Sun? What does Shaq bring now being 36 years old, and injury prone? If the Suns got anyone else (i.e. Dwight Howard), then yeah, that would be one hell of a trade. But it's old Shaq, not Shaq of yesteryear, but injury prone, old 300+ pounds Shaq that is coming to Phoenix. Again, he will look good for the first month or so, but old man Shaq will wither down the stretch. He couldn't hack it in the East, but he's supposed to be better in the West. Hahahahahahaha, people crack me up. Bye Bye Coach. Better luck next time.....

Assclown your pathetic attempt to call some sort of victory in a worthless argument is just that PATHETIC! Seriously get a life you clown, Shaq hasn't even played a second with the team so for you to call this a horrible trade only shows your patheticness and homeristic tendencies. Grow up child......

 

[primetime]

I thought you said you were done arguing against me? Why are you still posting? Plus, did you bring anything to defend your stance and counter any of my points? NOPE. Child? I have been your daddy since you first started posting. Besides, you put your own ridiculous self into this fire to begin with. Let's look at your first post in this thread.

"Wow another naive Shaq hater. All the man does is take his teams to the Finals and has won 4 out of 5 series Finals. Stop crying about being right and deal with the fact that Shaq is the man and will help the Suns get over the hump and to the Finals. BTW with Kobe hurt, say bye bye to that bs pipe dream of the Lakers winning the Title."


Look familiar? You decided to put in your two worthless cents in this thread, knowing damn well I was going to come back. You call me a "naive Shaq hater". Yet, I have been giving you reasons on why this trade makes no sense. If you paid attention (I know it is difficult for your tiny brain), you would have noticed that I wrote that if Shaq went to Dallas or Utah, the trade would have made sense and Shaq would have a bigger impact. Shaq going to Phoenix makes NO SENSE AT ALL. So it's not just a "Shaq hating thing", but a stupid trade thing.

You decided to say Shaq took his teams to the Finals. I have come back with reasons on WHY Shaq is NOT the reason he has 4 rings. Did he contribute? Obviously, but he is not THE reason he has rings. Guys like Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade had a LOT TO DO WITH IT. Pay attention "coach".

You say Shaq is the "man". Since when? He hasn't been the "man" since his last title in Los Angeles. That's why he got traded. He is done now. He is not the same Shaq that is in your feeble memory. If Shaq was still the "man", why on God's green Earth would Miami trade him MIDSEASON and they play in the pathetic Eastern Conference? Common sense, if you had any, would tell you that Shaq is no longer the "man".

You go on to say with Kobe hurt, Laker fans "BS pipe dream" is over. I'm a naive Shaq hater, but I can call you a Laker hater. Unlike Snack O'Neal, Kobe plays hurt. He is trying not to have surgery, unlike O'Neal who is known to want to heal during "company time". The Lakers are now true championship contenders and you can't stand it.

Listen chump, I mean "coach, or Storm, or whatever you call yourself, if you don't want to deal with this discussion, then LEAVE. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. You need to bring some kind of logic to this discussion if you even want to get on my level. Now go away (like you said you would) because you have nothing to bring and I am shocked that you even coached basketball. Man, that team must have sucked if you were calling the shots. Bye Bye Coach, or do you still want some?

 

[storm7400]

I thought you said you were done arguing against me? Why are you still posting? Plus, did you bring anything to defend your stance and counter any of my points? NOPE. Child? I have been your daddy since you first started posting. Besides, you put your own ridiculous self into this fire to begin with. Let's look at your first post in this thread.

"Wow another naive Shaq hater. All the man does is take his teams to the Finals and has won 4 out of 5 series Finals. Stop crying about being right and deal with the fact that Shaq is the man and will help the Suns get over the hump and to the Finals. BTW with Kobe hurt, say bye bye to that bs pipe dream of the Lakers winning the Title."


Look familiar? You decided to put in your two worthless cents in this thread, knowing damn well I was going to come back. You call me a "naive Shaq hater". Yet, I have been giving you reasons on why this trade makes no sense. If you paid attention (I know it is difficult for your tiny brain), you would have noticed that I wrote that if Shaq went to Dallas or Utah, the trade would have made sense and Shaq would have a bigger impact. Shaq going to Phoenix makes NO SENSE AT ALL. So it's not just a "Shaq hating thing", but a stupid trade thing.

You decided to say Shaq took his teams to the Finals. I have come back with reasons on WHY Shaq is NOT the reason he has 4 rings. Did he contribute? Obviously, but he is not THE reason he has rings. Guys like Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade had a LOT TO DO WITH IT. Pay attention "coach".

You say Shaq is the "man". Since when? He hasn't been the "man" since his last title in Los Angeles. That's why he got traded. He is done now. He is not the same Shaq that is in your feeble memory. If Shaq was still the "man", why on God's green Earth would Miami trade him MIDSEASON and they play in the pathetic Eastern Conference? Common sense, if you had any, would tell you that Shaq is no longer the "man".

You go on to say with Kobe hurt, Laker fans "BS pipe dream" is over. I'm a naive Shaq hater, but I can call you a Laker hater. Unlike Snack O'Neal, Kobe plays hurt. He is trying not to have surgery, unlike O'Neal who is known to want to heal during "company time". The Lakers are now true championship contenders and you can't stand it.

Listen chump, I mean "coach, or Storm, or whatever you call yourself, if you don't want to deal with this discussion, then LEAVE. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. You need to bring some kind of logic to this discussion if you even want to get on my level. Now go away (like you said you would) because you have nothing to bring and I am shocked that you even coached basketball. Man, that team must have sucked if you were calling the shots. Bye Bye Coach, or do you still want some?

You still have this ridiculous notion that you are winning in an argument about Shaq when he hasn't even played a second on the court? Are you actually this fucking stupid or are you just retarded? All your alleged points are based off homeristic feelings towards the Lakers, who haven't done shit since Shaq left. Coincident I think not. Get on your level? Why would I want to stoop to such a moronic level? You haven't brought any logic to this discussion, all you have brought is played out rhetoric that you likely stole from at least 4 "analysts" that are regulars on ESPN. Get over yourself you pathetic little man.

 

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Still here huh? When are you going to back up your argument? Do you have anything besides "Shaq rebound, dishes to Nash."? I have been bringing up logic to back up my argument, what have you brought? Nothing. Awww, is poor Storm mad at me? It must suck to be you. Look little man, next time you want to debate sports, be prepared to back up your arguments. You really suck at sports debates. The best you can say is "assclown"? C'mon man, you can do better than this.

You still have yet to discuss why Shaq is a good fit for Phoenix. I made some specific points on why I think the Shaq trade is ridiculous. You brought up the 80's Lakers, I countered. Now, your only replies are insults to me. Can you stay on topic? Nope. That's why you look like a complete fool. So, let's see if you can even discuss basketball, "coach". Here I will help you. Finish this sentence. "Despite the fact that Shaq wasn't a force anymore in the East, and he's old and injury prone, he will be a force for Phoenix because........"

Your turn......Can you do it? Or will you resort to personal insults? The pressure is on you Storm.....

 

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Still here huh? When are you going to back up your argument? Do you have anything besides "Shaq rebound, dishes to Nash."? I have been bringing up logic to back up my argument, what have you brought? Nothing. Awww, is poor Storm mad at me? It must suck to be you. Look little man, next time you want to debate sports, be prepared to back up your arguments. You really suck at sports debates. The best you can say is "assclown"? C'mon man, you can do better than this.

You still have yet to discuss why Shaq is a good fit for Phoenix. I made some specific points on why I think the Shaq trade is ridiculous. You brought up the 80's Lakers, I countered. Now, your only replies are insults to me. Can you stay on topic? Nope. That's why you look like a complete fool. So, let's see if you can even discuss basketball, "coach". Here I will help you. Finish this sentence. "Despite the fact that Shaq wasn't a force anymore in the East, and he's old and injury prone, he will be a force for Phoenix because........"

Your turn......Can you do it? Or will you resort to personal insults? The pressure is on you Storm.....

What don't you understand about Shaq not taking the court for the Suns? You can say he won't be a factor for the Suns and I can counter that he will be until we are both blue in the face but its IRRELEVANT until he actually is playing? For someone who keeps citing how knowledgeable about basketball you fail to realize the simple fact that he hasn't stepped on the court in a Suns uniform. Anybody, yes even Kobe, would be demoralized by playing for the worst team in the league aka the Heat. Shaq always turns it on in the playoffs and I dare you to deny that. Its pointless for me to keep talking to you because you fail to comprehend simple facts.

As for the personal insults, keep disparaging my basketball knowledge like a clown and I will keep calling you a clown. Come back at me once he steps on the court Junior.

 

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I keep disparaging your basketball knowledge because you have none. I find it absolutely hilarious that you say this is all irrelevant until Shaq takes the court, but yet, you keep posting. Did anyone make you post in this thread? No. You decided to put your opinion (which is your right) and I countered. Since you can't even defend your own opinion logically, you went the whole "clown" routine. Personally, I like it when you insult me, because that is the focus of your replies, not basketball knowledge.

I told you time and time again about Shaq and how we can watch film that hurts this myth of Shaq "turning it on in the playoffs" as you just mentioned. What happened last year? Swept by the Bulls. What happened to Shaq? How come he didn't turn it on? They were DEFENDING CHAMPIONS for crying out loud. I also find it hilarious that you say Shaq is demoralized by playing for the worst team in the East (NBA as well...). Look "coach", the Heat won the title 2 years ago. If Shaq was still this unstoppable force, why is the Heat the worst team? How come Shaq's numbers are WAY down? Because he is OLD, LAZY AND UNMOTIVATED. The Heat's record has nothing to do with Shaq's "motivation". You do realize that Shaq did not ask for a trade. The Heat made the trade. THEY got rid of Shaq. Why? If Shaq was this unstoppable force still, WHY would they trade Shaq? Why do you duck this question? That is why I question your basketball knowledge. You haven't shown you have any idea on how basketball works.

You still haven't answered as to why you think Shaq would make the Suns better when he couldn't make the Heat better this year. Phoenix has ZERO championships, the Heat won a title 2 years ago. The Heat play in the very soft East. Yet, Miami trades this "force". How will Shaq be better in the much, much, much TOUGHER West? You fail to realize that Shaq is NOT the same guy you remember. How oblivious are you to this fact? YOU HAVE NO BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE. Why don't you show it? What's stopping you from coming back with LOGICAL REASONS as to why you think Shaq is going to make this huge difference?

I have come back at you with numbers and reasons as to why this Shaq trade to the Heat is dumb. All you refer to is Shaq's past greatness. Why don't you man up for a change and tell the world the specific reasons as to why I'm a "homer" and you have the correct outlook? You are nowhere near my level. You are some feeble minded "coach" (if you actually were....I'm having my doubts now.) who decided to open his yap and dispute my opinion. Then you go on and say "I'm done arguing with you", but yet you STILL reply. If you want to hang around fine, but be a man for once and give me logical reasons to support your opinion. You have yet to do it. Show me this "knowledge" you have. You can't can you? Let's go little boy, come get some more....