tickleboynyc said:
I knew it...your 'logic' reminded me SO strongly of Vlaams Blok, I knew you had to at least agree with their politics. I'm not calling names, just calling things as they are. A racist by any other name is still a racist. I also know a lot more about the political situation AND history of Belgium than you think.
I'm just getting a little sick of white Europeans ( flemish or otherwise) claiming they're an 'oppressed minority', and then using that as an excuse for promoting policies that are at bottom racist or at least, white supremacist.
That's all. Nothing to do with flemish/dutch/walloon...
Well you really don't know what it takes to fully understand our political situation. And yes, Flemish are politically opressed, believe it or not. A minorty we ain't, we are 65% (or something like that) of the Belgian population. Our PM is Guy Verhofstadt, but the mightiest man in Belgium is still the Walloon Elio di Rupo, forcing his extreme left ideas to our parts as well.
Did you know that for an immigrant in Belgium you have to only live here for five your to be able to get a Belgian pasport for free? Did you know that you don't even have to have such a pasport to vote? Did you know that was all going against the will of 80% of the Flemish population, just because Wallonia was pro towards it? That's not racist my front, but too lax, it's normal to be against the immigration policy going on in Belgium. Did you also know that 50% of the immigrants who live here whom I know actually voted Vlaams Blok, because they though they were too lax with them and they are willy to respect our culture before being able to vote at all? I know even know Asians who vote Vlaams Blok, as well as Africans. Pretty weird huh?
People are using tricks to keep the left wing parties ruling here. The Black Sunday on 1990 resulting in the 'cordon sanitaire' is a potent example of the corruptness in Belgium for looking for the excuses to keep left on power. I think you haven't even read the opinions of the Vlaams Blok from the Vlaams Blok, but only from sources denigrating them as a normal political party.
I have a question for you: "Are you a white person who rather wanted to live as a black one? (a whigger in a insulting way?)" Because you seem to think it's wrong to protect the culture of ones own as long as he/she is white. It's not about racism, it's about self-respect my fellow. Belgium is a whole lot laxer than the US, our policies are a joke and always will be as long as Belgium keeps being a federal state with five governments. Some non-European friends I know (yes it's not because I'm no socialist my whole friendships are white-only!) even say things like: "The Belgians are SO tolerant we could kick them in their behinds without being punished for it one bit, they wouldn't even react afraid of being called racist". :s
Learn more about us, before judging us. Most of the Flemings reading your post must be really extreme left to respect your reactions as an ignorant mind. The Vlaams Blok are potrayed as worse than they really are, and wether you like it or not, it's looking as if they're going to win within the next twenty years.
It's not that because 10.000 Vlaams Blokkers are real racists that the 990.000 others are. You WILL notice that whenever Belgium won't exist anymore, Flanders won't be that Right Wing at all. People really vote Vlaams Blok because they want Flanders to be a Republic, that's we they're gaining. We just differ too much politcally from our Walloonish fellow Europeans due to the lack of communication we have with each other.
And about our history, it's a sad fact that Flanders was suposed to be part of Belgium because of our economical strengths. Belgium is a Walloonish dream only. The Flemings supporting the Walloons were either roman-catholic (and afraid of the Dutch language, with their protestant calvinist influence), uneducated (even analphabetic, they signed a petitions against the Netherlands by drawing a cross) or some fools supporting the crowd making a riot. Later with the French and British support many orangist Flemish thought to hup aboard the Belgian camp (for Willem I didn't stand a chance anymore). There was also the heavy winter, the failure of the harvests, the economical crisis and the fact Willem wasn't really good at speeches (he called the Flemings dumb, barbaric, but not lost. It sounded rather insulting, but he was right though. Holland just had the cultural advantage not being a Spanish colony before and being more liberal as well with their protestantism, for the Spanish drove our protestants to the North with their inquisition). He did everything at took to improve the education in the Southern Netherlands of then, as well as our industry. Many Dutch and Flemish historians agree that Willem I did nothing to be at the disadvantage of Flanders, as well as they agree that it was best for Flanders to have remained part of the Netherlands.
No you really don't know nothing about us, for you speak English and have a lack of communication with the whole Flemish community. You are only able to conversate with our fellow Flemish who are able to speak English and are willy to speak about their politics with a stranger, for it's all an abstract being and hard to explain, the culture as a whole, as the way the Flemish generally thinks or feels.
Regards.
EDIT: I find it a pity to be called racist if you don't automatically feel guilty towards someone who isn't European for deeds you aren't responsible for. I don't know, but I have a real feeling this discussion won't ever have an end, for you are, as we Dutch say, "de spijkers op laag water aan het zoeken" ("looking for nails on low water") , meaning that you always try to find holes to attack your oposition while not even bothering reading the rest he types. You really haven't read anything but the fact I told that blacks look more alike to one another than whites for them having the same hair and eye color. That's doesn't make them less worthy did you know? But really it's the truth isn't it? Or are you colour-blind? Really an innocent comment most Africans are relaxed about, why not you as a fellow white person? That makes me sick, the loudest people screaming accusing for racism seem to be of the colour being accused of racism. It's really sad and isn't supposed to be like that.
Why do I still keep on bothering answering here? I think it's the fact the irrevelant people try to judge people they don't know as well as their own relevants, and it's only happening more and more since the invention of the internet as an improvement of tele-communication. I admit that I used to be a hard striker towards George W. Bush (nothing wrong about it) but I also was against his voters (and that is ignorance, because for understanding that I must've been of the US myself), but I have realized that I'm rather an ignorant mind for judging any political situation in the US. I also have had lots if critics towards christians as being an atheist, I was rather agressive towards religion as a whole. That because I believe religion was the main reason of warfare. I only forgot that atheism is also a religion, thus if everyone was an atheist the world would have got more peace for 75% (for that's the percentage of religious wars). I forgot that that would also be the case if 100% was muslim (of the same type), or was christian (of the same type, so preferably catholic, because the reformation caused warfare as well) or even hindu or whatever religion. You won't be hearing me insulting political views in the US, only estimating some facts while still being respective and remain polite and excusing myself whenever I'm mistaken.