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Beautiful Ebony Soles tickled (OT racial argument, split)

GuldenVleugel

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jaguar said:
I'm not sure what you you mean by "Looking more like each other" but that type of thinking may be part of the problem. Second, being labeled by hair colour & being labeled by race are 2 totally different things. Third "Ebony" is not a race, is is some peoples description of a race. I simply think people should be referred to by there names when possible. No matter what race.


I know that ebony is English for in my language 'ebbenhout'. And yes, most none-whites look more like each other, that's the harsh truth that even most non-Europeans admit. It's pretty obvious that the Western variety of eye-color and hair-tint make us more different by our looks. All black hair and brown eyes make those people look more the same, still unique enough alone as an individual. Still isn't it a great thing, I try to view everyone as an individual, still is it a fact that people tend to keep their contacts with people of the same race of even within races culture. I try to be as respective as possible towards non-Europeans, still do I disagree with the forced guilt many think is natural today. Goes also towards todays Jews for an example, like many seem to think WWII is a weapon to win a discussion (not that you're bringing up the past luckily, you even relativate and know that most peoples intentions are possitive).

The reason still I might be more assertive than most white-skinned over here is that we get discriminated as well over here in Belgium, we are supposed to accept that we should give up our culture and live happily in a multicultural society at the cost of our language, our dignity, and so on. For the least people are considered racist, as long as their skin is white, because they're the only people to be possible suspects of racism. I think that's hypocrite. But the main problem over here is the way Flemings differ with Walloons, the way we don't feel Belgian and how they force people to think Belgian and that along with every race living happily next to each other, which is unrealistic and utopic. Still is it of course a good thing to respect other cultures, it's only bad that it goes at the cost of the vanishing culture of the native population. But this forum is situated in the US, and it's public is international, so I can't imagine the situation in other regions and have to watch my words, because not everywhere it's the same (luckily).

Where I do agree with is that we should, out of respect towards the models' work, mention the name where-ever we can. And I will do that in the future, trying to remember the names, trying to look up their names, trying to make the people who made it possible receiving their well-deserved honour. I don't have a clue which producer made the featured clip above though, but it's a great start to find out the name of the model in it one day.
 
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witproduct said:
I know that ebony is English for in my language 'ebbenhout'. And yes, most none-whites look more like each other, that's the harsh truth that even most non-Europeans admit.
Which people are you naming non-white ? There are many .
I agree that people from Africa look very close to each other but it's not that the case in other countries too ?

So now threads should be named when posted :
Italian - Swedish - German - American - Portuguese - Polish - Turkish - Vietnamese - English tickling and so on ?
Shall we also give the models date of birth - height - age - etc ?

Ow i'm off topic

Those ebonies 😀
are very nice..
 
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alf said:
Which people are you naming non-white ? There are many .
I agree that people from Africa look very close to each other but it's not that the case in other countries too ?


The non-Europoid people, and the bastard populations. Also, have you ever noticed that Asian comics (like Manga, Hentai, and so on) seem to preffer their characters to have blue/green eyes and blonde/red/unnatural hair? It are properties they don't possess, they also tend to attract more attention to the shallow public (the people you meet at street of whom you don't know them). That's a general fact, probably the reason Western women don't get their labels that easily. It's also a funny fact that most Asian I know, don't seem to have problems with it to admit they draw Western people since they don't look more like each other like they do (all black hair, brown eyes, the only thing that makes them different is when looking at their subraces, for the rest it are less determable details that make them indivuals from the outside)

What I do admit is that the name 'white' isn't accurate, since Mediterranean people look far from white, still do I consider them Europoid like I am, only from another subcategory. And the name country isn't the right thing, since culture is a seperate thing from both race and culture (which are at their turn seperate themselves). In my country, Belgium we have three main cultures. The German, the Flemmish (Dutch-speaking, I also believe we belong to the Netherlands) and the Walloon (The French-speakers), not the Belgian since they don't represent a culture (well a today-culture that is, since they were Celts known as the Belgae, and we are called like that to sound neutral, since Belgica meant Netherlands originally).

Anyway, I must say you're acting pretty short-sighted, thinking that I meant we should call every model by their subethnicities as well. I just say that the name-calling of ebony isn't as denigrating as some may find. It's not like calling an Italian an eyetie, a German a Hun, kraut, Vandal or a Dutch a cheese-head (well Germans do with the name-calling Kaesekopf, and we do with the name-calling kaaskop).

The thing I'm trying to say is, that I don't feel any forced feeling of guilt towards any other races/cultures. Not for the imperial past of slavery, not for the deeds of some fellow Europeans, not of my ancestors, not of anyone. I think that I'm only responsible for my own deeds and the places where I could be a bad influence upon other naïve minds. But to prevent causing rows, I am willing to do my best to show as much respect as I can towards other cultures, if they are polite in their turn (as indivuals), there's no feeling of guilt added to that.

I also mean that, models' names can be mentioned where possible, it's only for the models' honour, not by race or culture. It's not compulsory, but it's oftne interesting if one may like the work of one particular model. It's thus a good idea mentioning the name of this model, since many seem to like this clip (while not being my cup of tea).
 
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[B I can assure you MOST African Americans Have different features that clearly don't make us look alike to each other. However someone with no exposure or respect or intelligence to other poeples culture will probably feel there is nothing wrong with an idiotic comment like that. Some white people sadly just never learn.
 
jaguar said:
Some white people sadly just never learn.
Why do you talk about just African Americans ?
I know some people from Africa and themselves say that they do look close to each other 😀
The fact of stating posts here for desinging the kind of clip posted has nothing to do with the respect of other cultures.
So now writing Asian - South American and so on : you're a racist or what ????????
Why stating as white so ? it's non respectful too.


I loose my time responding to it but it was too much.



 
I don't think he meant the white people in general, but rather the way I think many Africans, also Asian and hispanics (who are Europoid themselves, or otherwise mixed up) look close to each other. Probably because I notice the hair- and eye-colour faster than other attributes. Even though, don't worry, I still am able to determine Africans, Asians or any other black-haired/brown-eyed person.

Still, don't I see the point of this discussion anymore. It just started with a clip which wasn't my genre, still the best in it I ever saw, because the model in it had a uniquely soft charisma. No hard feelings I hope.
 
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witproduct said:
Still, don't I see the point of this discussion anymore. It just started with a clip which wasn't my genre, still the best in it I ever saw, because the model in it had a uniquely soft charisma. No hard feelings I hope.
That's the funny fact it was just about a clip LOL
 
blktklr said:
I'm black or african-american....whichever you choose. I like the "ebony" label because sometimes I want to see beautiful sistas' getting their feet tickled. I don't seem any harm in that. This is a tickling or foot fetish thing not a race thing thing.

I feel the same way.. I'm not too much of a fan of a white girl being tickled at all, not very attracted to them.
 

I don't understand your problem.
Over on that subject.
 
witproduct said:
I know that ebony is English for in my language 'ebbenhout'. And yes, most none-whites look more like each other, that's the harsh truth that even most non-Europeans admit. It's pretty obvious that the Western variety of eye-color and hair-tint make us more different by our looks. All black hair and brown eyes make those people look more the same, still unique enough alone as an individual. Still isn't it a great thing, I try to view everyone as an individual, still is it a fact that people tend to keep their contacts with people of the same race of even within races culture. I try to be as respective as possible towards non-Europeans, still do I disagree with the forced guilt many think is natural today. Goes also towards todays Jews for an example, like many seem to think WWII is a weapon to win a discussion (not that you're bringing up the past luckily, you even relativate and know that most peoples intentions are possitive).

The reason still I might be more assertive than most white-skinned over here is that we get discriminated as well over here in Belgium, we are supposed to accept that we should give up our culture and live happily in a multicultural society at the cost of our language, our dignity, and so on. For the least people are considered racist, as long as their skin is white, because they're the only people to be possible suspects of racism. I think that's hypocrite. But the main problem over here is the way Flemings differ with Walloons, the way we don't feel Belgian and how they force people to think Belgian and that along with every race living happily next to each other, which is unrealistic and utopic. Still is it of course a good thing to respect other cultures, it's only bad that it goes at the cost of the vanishing culture of the native population. But this forum is situated in the US, and it's public is international, so I can't imagine the situation in other regions and have to watch my words, because not everywhere it's the same (luckily).
I think the 'harsh truth', is, 'I guess', that you have a um, slight problem with people that aren't lilly white like you. Could it be because you live in a country that's 95% white and where racist right wing parties are getting lots of votes, probably from people just like you? I guess?
:weird:
 
tickleboynyc said:
I think the 'harsh truth', is, 'I guess', that you have a um, slight problem with people that aren't lilly white like you. Could it be because you live in a country that's 95% white and where racist right wing parties are getting lots of votes, probably from people just like you? I guess?
:weird:
Amen Brother 😀
 
tickleboynyc said:
I think the 'harsh truth', is, 'I guess', that you have a um, slight problem with people that aren't lilly white like you. Could it be because you live in a country that's 95% white and where racist right wing parties are getting lots of votes, probably from people just like you? I guess?
:weird:


Never been to Western Europe you. No I'm just ain't a hypocrite who views non-whites as being better than the European population just because of the past of slavery. Of you were a little better educated you'd know we have a Purple Liberal-Socialist government and that Liberals are viewed as right and that the Republicans as in the US would be viewed conservative- to extreme-right.

For the least comment people are viewed racist as long as they're white and non-Jewish. I know that racism is within all races, but I don't think you as black New Yorker would know better. Get to know the world I'd say. No agression, but a discussion like real adults and also try to relativate life through the eyes of a European of Western origin before judging us.

Thank you.

Typical New York? Attacking people without knowing them? Glad I live in Europe, no offense, but we are able to discuss without returning to our puberty-period. No it's not about NY nor about attacking people without knowing them. I don't stigmatize like you do, still do I realize the problems within a society as a whole and not as just your own group being the dupe of an elite of some kind.

The racist is you my friend, because you think it's racist to be a proud European. Black racists do exist, did you know? :wooha: A shocking fact.
 
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You should also try to read about the Belgian Revolution and the activities of the Flemmish society before thinking in countries, it's a different thing than a culture. If you knew Flemings with a healthy awareness, you would realize we don't differ too much from the Dutch (well the Southern ones from Braband, Limburg and Zeeland that is, under the 'Moerdijk')

I guess you only are interested in your brotherhood. I respect that, but only if you respect the way I view fellow Dutch and Flemings as my cultural relatives. Many of us think the same, because we have gone through simular (politcal) problems.
 
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I was thinking about the small percentage of non-whites you mentioned. I hope you weren't bashing Eastern Europe? I certainly don't. It's easy to flame on cultures thousants of miles east of you, ignorant to judge them.
 
I'm neither in search of a row. It's so sick people do get pissy because of simple clips being labelled by their content. The next flame that accompanies this thread will be ignored.
 
witproduct said:
Never been to Western Europe you. No I'm just ain't a hypocrite who views non-whites as being better than the European population just because of the past of slavery. Of you were a little better educated you'd know we have a Purple Liberal-Socialist government and that Liberals are viewed as right and that the Republicans as in the US would be viewed conservative- to extreme-right.

For the least comment people are viewed racist as long as they're white and non-Jewish. I know that racism is within all races, but I don't think you as black New Yorker would know better. Get to know the world I'd say. No agression, but a discussion like real adults and also try to relativate life through the eyes of a European of Western origin before judging us.

Thank you.

Typical New York? Attacking people without knowing them? Glad I live in Europe, no offense, but we are able to discuss without returning to our puberty-period. No it's not about NY nor about attacking people without knowing them. I don't stigmatize like you do, still do I realize the problems within a society as a whole and not as just your own group being the dupe of an elite of some kind.

The racist is you my friend, because you think it's racist to be a proud European. Black racists do exist, did you know? :wooha: A shocking fact.

boy, i laughed so hard i got tears in my eyes! a black new yorker? first of all, i'm white, and secondly i spent about fifteen years in europe, where i got to travel and see belgium, holland, germany, austria, italy, spain, yugoslavia ( when it still existed ), france and the UK.
the racist parties i'm referring to are scum like Vlaams Blok ( in Belgium ), Front National ( france ), National Front ( UK ) and the likes. parties that are as openly racist ( or anti-immigrant ) as they can be without actually admitting to it. your logic and reasoning reminds me exactly of their demagoguery, that's why i mentioned it.
it's also VERY obvious that you've never been to the US!
 
tickleboynyc said:
boy, i laughed so hard i got tears in my eyes! a black new yorker? first of all, i'm white, and secondly i spent about fifteen years in europe, where i got to travel and see belgium, holland, germany, austria, italy, spain, yugoslavia ( when it still existed ), france and the UK.
the racist parties i'm referring to are scum like Vlaams Blok ( in Belgium ), Front National ( france ), National Front ( UK ) and the likes. parties that are as openly racist ( or anti-immigrant ) as they can be without actually admitting to it. your logic and reasoning reminds me exactly of their demagoguery, that's why i mentioned it.
it's also VERY obvious that you've never been to the US!

Now Now, don't flame. You don't know nothing about the political situation in Belgium. Neither don't you seem to know anything about the Vlaams Blok as well. http://www.vlaamsblok.be/ take thsi as a source, it's no indoctrination, still not the lies spread by the corrupt parties their unions (like the fact they should be again homosexuals or like to have women to stay at home as housewifes which the party never supported).

Ever heard of the serie "the West Wing"? I sincerely don't hope you have your short knowledge about the Blok from that one, it is fictional and an ignorant serie with the same level as the Jerry Springer Show has, a lot of agressive flaming without putting down the concrete reasons for their speeches. You don't happen to be fluent at Dutch or French don't you? If you do, you should read the Dutch section of the Vlaams Blok and the other critics from neutral (!) Dutch sources. They contain lots of more concrete material treathing the Flemish question in Belgium, for democracy has faded there since its existence. But you don't live here, you wouldn't know.

No I don't know anything about life in the US, but I do know your reactions show a lot of ignorance and you judge people too fast, really, not every nation is politically to be compared to the USA.

You should also take a sharp look at this ignorant shorts threating the Vlaams Blok on the serie 'The West Wing', did you know that episode caused a small commotion in Flanders? It's a form of insulting the way the Fleming feels bad in Belgium for being politically ignored by some corrupt Walloon politicians as well as some Flemish who slime for their higher powers. It's sadly a fact over here. Not anything in the media is the truth. You should see Belgium will be history over 20 years and Flanders'll be a nation, the Vlaams Blok wouldn't get that much votes anymore, and hopefully Flanders will be reunited to the Netherlands (as it should be), for Dutch is the way I feel. It's really hard living in a federal nation with five governments, you know? Impossible to be politically correct, it's impossible to handle without falling.

http://lvb.net/images/ww1.mpg Watch this one

http://lvb.net/images/ww2.mpg Watch this one too.

These are lies they broadcast to millions of American fans of the serie "The West Wing", really. Skinhead only vote Vlaams Blok because they're the most right party with influence, it's nót the party of skinheads (that Groen-Rechts, which never makes the prerequisite to enter the government). A klanmember who voted for the Republicans doens't make the Republican Party pro-KKK doesn't it? Use the same logic here.

Just don't call names, don't insult, don't be agressive, but be nice. I would believe some New Yorkers would lack respect towards peoples they don't know of, but I don't. But I sincerely hope you will show more respect, or I wouldn't see the point of discussing anything with you. You haven't read about our history, our politics are only read for knowing some random names and you probably never have read a Dutch paper for you lack the language.

I don't judge people from Poland for example, for I don't know Polish. I only try to estimate some fact, but will never insult their culture, for I'm ignorant.

Regards.


EDIT: It may be a good idea to discuss this in private, PM me or send me a mail. But be warned, I wíll ignore insults. I can take a lot of criticism, but not the fact you don't respect people's political views without knowing the main issues instead of the small negative details which are a lie for 50%.
 
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witproduct said:
I don't judge people from Poland for example, for I don't know Polish. I only try to estimate some fact, but will never insult their culture, for I'm ignorant
You better not 🙄....................
yah of course there are small minded people in all countries :sigh:

 
Just want to point out something here to EVERYONE!
I read through this entire thread, and I found it all really quite amusing...considering i am guessing (this is a guess, don't hold me to the excat numbers) that about 80% to 90% of the people who look at these clips don't care what anyone is classifed as. They read a word, they know what it means, and they go and download a clip. Then they masterbate it to it, and save it in their archives or just simply throw it away.

I think the ultimate disrespect for all of the models comes there. People don't care who or what they are, they just find the situation the models have found themselves in attractive.

If you want to stop the disrespect...don't let that happen. There ya go.
 
witproduct said:
Now Now, don't flame. You don't know nothing about the political situation in Belgium. Neither don't you seem to know anything about the Vlaams Blok as well. take thsi as a source, it's no indoctrination, still not the lies spread by the corrupt parties their unions (like the fact they should be again homosexuals or like to have women to stay at home as housewifes which the party never supported).

Ever heard of the serie "the West Wing"? I sincerely don't hope you have your short knowledge about the Blok from that one, it is fictional and an ignorant serie with the same level as the Jerry Springer Show has, a lot of agressive flaming without putting down the concrete reasons for their speeches. You don't happen to be fluent at Dutch or French don't you? If you do, you should read the Dutch section of the Vlaams Blok and the other critics from neutral (!) Dutch sources. They contain lots of more concrete material treathing the Flemish question in Belgium, for democracy has faded there since its existence. But you don't live here, you wouldn't know.

No I don't know anything about life in the US, but I do know your reactions show a lot of ignorance and you judge people too fast, really, not every nation is politically to be compared to the USA.

You should also take a sharp look at this ignorant shorts threating the Vlaams Blok on the serie 'The West Wing', did you know that episode caused a small commotion in Flanders? It's a form of insulting the way the Fleming feels bad in Belgium for being politically ignored by some corrupt Walloon politicians as well as some Flemish who slime for their higher powers. It's sadly a fact over here. Not anything in the media is the truth. You should see Belgium will be history over 20 years and Flanders'll be a nation, the Vlaams Blok wouldn't get that much votes anymore, and hopefully Flanders will be reunited to the Netherlands (as it should be), for Dutch is the way I feel. It's really hard living in a federal nation with five governments, you know? Impossible to be politically correct, it's impossible to handle without falling.


These are lies they broadcast to millions of American fans of the serie "The West Wing", really. Skinhead only vote Vlaams Blok because they're the most right party with influence, it's nót the party of skinheads (that Groen-Rechts, which never makes the prerequisite to enter the government). A klanmember who voted for the Republicans doens't make the Republican Party pro-KKK doesn't it? Use the same logic here.

Just don't call names, don't insult, don't be agressive, but be nice. I would believe some New Yorkers would lack respect towards peoples they don't know of, but I don't. But I sincerely hope you will show more respect, or I wouldn't see the point of discussing anything with you. You haven't read about our history, our politics are only read for knowing some random names and you probably never have read a Dutch paper for you lack the language.

I don't judge people from Poland for example, for I don't know Polish. I only try to estimate some fact, but will never insult their culture, for I'm ignorant.

Regards.


EDIT: It may be a good idea to discuss this in private, PM me or send me a mail. But be warned, I wíll ignore insults. I can take a lot of criticism, but not the fact you don't respect people's political views without knowing the main issues instead of the small negative details which are a lie for 50%.


I knew it...your 'logic' reminded me SO strongly of Vlaams Blok, I knew you had to at least agree with their politics. I'm not calling names, just calling things as they are. A racist by any other name is still a racist. I also know a lot more about the political situation AND history of Belgium than you think.
I'm just getting a little sick of white Europeans ( flemish or otherwise) claiming they're an 'oppressed minority', and then using that as an excuse for promoting policies that are at bottom racist or at least, white supremacist.
That's all. Nothing to do with flemish/dutch/walloon...
 
tickleboynyc said:
I knew it...your 'logic' reminded me SO strongly of Vlaams Blok, I knew you had to at least agree with their politics. I'm not calling names, just calling things as they are. A racist by any other name is still a racist. I also know a lot more about the political situation AND history of Belgium than you think.
I'm just getting a little sick of white Europeans ( flemish or otherwise) claiming they're an 'oppressed minority', and then using that as an excuse for promoting policies that are at bottom racist or at least, white supremacist.
That's all. Nothing to do with flemish/dutch/walloon...


Well you really don't know what it takes to fully understand our political situation. And yes, Flemish are politically opressed, believe it or not. A minorty we ain't, we are 65% (or something like that) of the Belgian population. Our PM is Guy Verhofstadt, but the mightiest man in Belgium is still the Walloon Elio di Rupo, forcing his extreme left ideas to our parts as well.

Did you know that for an immigrant in Belgium you have to only live here for five your to be able to get a Belgian pasport for free? Did you know that you don't even have to have such a pasport to vote? Did you know that was all going against the will of 80% of the Flemish population, just because Wallonia was pro towards it? That's not racist my front, but too lax, it's normal to be against the immigration policy going on in Belgium. Did you also know that 50% of the immigrants who live here whom I know actually voted Vlaams Blok, because they though they were too lax with them and they are willy to respect our culture before being able to vote at all? I know even know Asians who vote Vlaams Blok, as well as Africans. Pretty weird huh?

People are using tricks to keep the left wing parties ruling here. The Black Sunday on 1990 resulting in the 'cordon sanitaire' is a potent example of the corruptness in Belgium for looking for the excuses to keep left on power. I think you haven't even read the opinions of the Vlaams Blok from the Vlaams Blok, but only from sources denigrating them as a normal political party.

I have a question for you: "Are you a white person who rather wanted to live as a black one? (a whigger in a insulting way?)" Because you seem to think it's wrong to protect the culture of ones own as long as he/she is white. It's not about racism, it's about self-respect my fellow. Belgium is a whole lot laxer than the US, our policies are a joke and always will be as long as Belgium keeps being a federal state with five governments. Some non-European friends I know (yes it's not because I'm no socialist my whole friendships are white-only!) even say things like: "The Belgians are SO tolerant we could kick them in their behinds without being punished for it one bit, they wouldn't even react afraid of being called racist". :s

Learn more about us, before judging us. Most of the Flemings reading your post must be really extreme left to respect your reactions as an ignorant mind. The Vlaams Blok are potrayed as worse than they really are, and wether you like it or not, it's looking as if they're going to win within the next twenty years.

It's not that because 10.000 Vlaams Blokkers are real racists that the 990.000 others are. You WILL notice that whenever Belgium won't exist anymore, Flanders won't be that Right Wing at all. People really vote Vlaams Blok because they want Flanders to be a Republic, that's we they're gaining. We just differ too much politcally from our Walloonish fellow Europeans due to the lack of communication we have with each other.

And about our history, it's a sad fact that Flanders was suposed to be part of Belgium because of our economical strengths. Belgium is a Walloonish dream only. The Flemings supporting the Walloons were either roman-catholic (and afraid of the Dutch language, with their protestant calvinist influence), uneducated (even analphabetic, they signed a petitions against the Netherlands by drawing a cross) or some fools supporting the crowd making a riot. Later with the French and British support many orangist Flemish thought to hup aboard the Belgian camp (for Willem I didn't stand a chance anymore). There was also the heavy winter, the failure of the harvests, the economical crisis and the fact Willem wasn't really good at speeches (he called the Flemings dumb, barbaric, but not lost. It sounded rather insulting, but he was right though. Holland just had the cultural advantage not being a Spanish colony before and being more liberal as well with their protestantism, for the Spanish drove our protestants to the North with their inquisition). He did everything at took to improve the education in the Southern Netherlands of then, as well as our industry. Many Dutch and Flemish historians agree that Willem I did nothing to be at the disadvantage of Flanders, as well as they agree that it was best for Flanders to have remained part of the Netherlands.

No you really don't know nothing about us, for you speak English and have a lack of communication with the whole Flemish community. You are only able to conversate with our fellow Flemish who are able to speak English and are willy to speak about their politics with a stranger, for it's all an abstract being and hard to explain, the culture as a whole, as the way the Flemish generally thinks or feels.


Regards.


EDIT: I find it a pity to be called racist if you don't automatically feel guilty towards someone who isn't European for deeds you aren't responsible for. I don't know, but I have a real feeling this discussion won't ever have an end, for you are, as we Dutch say, "de spijkers op laag water aan het zoeken" ("looking for nails on low water") , meaning that you always try to find holes to attack your oposition while not even bothering reading the rest he types. You really haven't read anything but the fact I told that blacks look more alike to one another than whites for them having the same hair and eye color. That's doesn't make them less worthy did you know? But really it's the truth isn't it? Or are you colour-blind? Really an innocent comment most Africans are relaxed about, why not you as a fellow white person? That makes me sick, the loudest people screaming accusing for racism seem to be of the colour being accused of racism. It's really sad and isn't supposed to be like that.

Why do I still keep on bothering answering here? I think it's the fact the irrevelant people try to judge people they don't know as well as their own relevants, and it's only happening more and more since the invention of the internet as an improvement of tele-communication. I admit that I used to be a hard striker towards George W. Bush (nothing wrong about it) but I also was against his voters (and that is ignorance, because for understanding that I must've been of the US myself), but I have realized that I'm rather an ignorant mind for judging any political situation in the US. I also have had lots if critics towards christians as being an atheist, I was rather agressive towards religion as a whole. That because I believe religion was the main reason of warfare. I only forgot that atheism is also a religion, thus if everyone was an atheist the world would have got more peace for 75% (for that's the percentage of religious wars). I forgot that that would also be the case if 100% was muslim (of the same type), or was christian (of the same type, so preferably catholic, because the reformation caused warfare as well) or even hindu or whatever religion. You won't be hearing me insulting political views in the US, only estimating some facts while still being respective and remain polite and excusing myself whenever I'm mistaken.
 
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I am quite new to this forum, but I thought that this forum was mainly devoted to the pleasure of tickling. I can imagine that there can be a connection between tickling and political issues, but in my view this discussion is running far beyond that. I'm sure there are loads of forums around every thinkable political issue, so I suggest that this discussion is continued somewhere else. Lets get back to grabbing sides (preferably with a nice sweater 😉 ), torturing feet and all other great things around tickling.
 
Tickleboy enjoy the clips & don't be sucked in by the stupidity/fear. & all of you are welcome to come to Harlem USA anytime
 
jaguar said:
Tickleboy enjoy the clips & don't be sucked in by the stupidity/fear. & all of you are welcome to come to Harlem USA anytime
Yes, and after you say we're unopen minded etc etc. I suppose we're not welcome to Harlem eh ?
Where do you see fear by the way ???

 
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