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America's Least Trusted
How a Clermont stripper ended up under FBI surveillance
By Coley Ward
Published December 28, 2005

Tabby Chase works nights as a dancer at the Clermont Lounge, so she was asleep the morning of Thurs., March 17, when she says FBI Special Agent Dante Jones called her.

Chase says she didn't know what the FBI wanted. When she awoke, it was late afternoon, and she had five messages from three numbers. She says each was from Jones, telling her the FBI needed to ask some questions.

Chase is tall and thin, with hair buzzed to about a quarter-inch, except for long blond bangs that routinely fall in her face. She describes herself as a flaky anarchist, somebody who has an inherent distrust of government and big business but who is "terrible at outreach" and "not involved in any organizing."

She says she has never been arrested, and her FBI file confirms that. The file, which CL obtained from the ACLU, is five pages long, but three pages were withheld. It reads like a rap sheet with no raps. Chase's age, Social Security number, and history of participation in various human rights groups is detailed.

The FBI declined to talk to CL about its investigation.

After Chase received the messages from Jones, she called her friend Ken Driggs, a lawyer with the DeKalb County public defender's office, who set up a meeting with the FBI. The next day, Chase and Driggs went to the FBI's Atlanta field office in Decatur. Three agents - Jones and two other men - met them.

Driggs says the meeting lasted for an hour-and-a-half.

"When it broke up," he says, "the language was, 'You have not satisfied our concerns; you are likely to hear from us again.'"

Chase says it took awhile to get to the point. "First they brought out a sheet that they were filling out with my personal information. They wanted to know my full name. Where do I live? Do I have any tattoos? Then they started asking me who I date and who I live with."

After questioning her for 20 minutes about her personal life, Chase says the agents finally told her that somebody had informed them she was planning a trip to Iraq. They said they were concerned she might be a domestic terrorist.

Chase isn't alone. In July 2003, Marc Schultz, who was an Atlanta bookstore employee at the time, wrote a first-person account published in this newspaper about being questioned by the FBI after somebody reported him for reading an article titled "Weapons of Mass Stupidity" in a Caribou coffee shop. Since Sept. 11, 2001, local human rights groups such as Atlanta WAND, the Georgia Peace & Justice Coalition, and School of the Americas Watch have complained about increased monitoring. And earlier this month, President Bush confirmed that in 2002 he authorized the National Security Agency to conduct wiretaps without first acquiring a warrant.

Though Chase's case differs from the NSA monitoring in that it was another agency watching her, and one that apparently did not use a wiretap, her experience speaks to the intensity - some say wastefulness - of the government's homeland security initiatives.

Yet for Chase, showing up on the FBI's radar wasn't a complete shock. She concedes that some aspects of her life could appear suspicious, if viewed through a certain lens. She doesn't have a car, a driver's license, or a bank account. Tabby Chase isn't even her birth name. She was born Jeanette Helen Winsor but changed her name five years ago when she moved to Atlanta. Chase made the change after she and her mother, who has the same name, had a falling out.

Then there's Chase's professional life. As an exotic dancer, she does draw attention. Before she worked at the Clermont Lounge, Chase worked as head dominatrix at the Chamber, the now-defunct S&M club. She also models for S&M photos posted on the Internet.

Finally, there is Chase's protest work. In February, Chase traveled to Washington, D.C., to work for a group called Action Medical Research at President Bush's 2005 inauguration. Chase says she was a "street medic," someone who dispenses first aid at progressive rallies and marches. Chase says she also worked as a street medic at the Democratic National Convention in Boston and the Republican National Convention in New York in 2004.

What troubled Chase wasn't that the FBI was asking questions. It was what prompted them to ask that bothered her.

In the summer of 2004, Chase had been kicking around the idea of joining Circus2Iraq, a group that performs for children in war-torn countries. But she says she couldn't scrape together the money for a plane ticket and, after hearing that several members of the group were killed while in Iraq, decided against going. She never got around to applying for a visa. "I said [to the agents] that I didn't even have a passport, and they said that they knew that."

Driggs described the questioning as "testy."

"My take on the whole thing is that it had to do with her politics," Driggs says. "Tabby has strong opinions."

Gerry Weber, legal director of the Georgia ACLU, says that Chase's case is evidence that the federal government is casting too wide a net in its war on terror.

"They are investigating folks who have no realistic threat of being involved in terroristic activities," Weber says. "They're targeting citizens who are doing nothing but exercising their right to free speech."

The most damning line in the released portion of Chase's FBI file states: "WINDSOR [sic] is a member of the INDUSTRIAL WORKS OF THE WORLD."

Chase says she is a member of a group called the Industrial Workers of the World, whose biggest ambition, according to its website, seems to be reducing the length of the standard workweek.

"The IWW is one of the country's oldest unions," Chase says. "They'll take anyone. They're the only union that takes strippers. That's why I joined. For a while I was thinking about organizing the strippers in Atlanta, but I ran into some hostility when I was trying to do it."

After the meeting, the FBI appears to have continued its investigation of Chase.

Santiago Velasquez, a photographer who has known her for more than two years, says agents tried to contact him the next day.

Because Chase didn't have a bank account or credit card, Velasquez says he had agreed to buy her a cell phone and pay the monthly bill, provided Chase reimbursed him in cash. Velasquez says three FBI agents wanted to know about the cell phone.

"They asked me how much I knew about [Chase], and I said, 'Well, I know she's not much of a fan of George Bush, but who is these days?'" Velasquez says. "They said to me, 'Mr. Velasquez, do you expect us to believe that you would take out a cell phone for somebody and risk your credit history without knowing anything about their politics, their religion or personal beliefs?' One agent said, 'Well, maybe you should find out a little more about your friend, delve a little deeper.'"

Chase and Velasquez say they haven't heard from the FBI since. And while Chase says that, at the time, the experience caused her a lot of stress, it now seems almost comical.

"During the interrogation, they kept asking me my political affiliation," Chase says. "And one of them would interject every so often, 'This is the United States of America, you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe. We just need to know what that is.'"
http://clnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051228/ATLNEWS01/512280392/-1/ATLNEWS
 
Unfortunately, the net has to be cast rather wide these days, esp. after the OK City bombing...
 
kyhawkeye said:
Unfortunately, the net has to be cast rather wide these days, esp. after the OK City bombing...


Indeed, blame the stupid few who ruined the honor system for us all

govt does too much and people complain, govt does too little and they complain, its a no win situation and no anarchist government is not a solution
 
it's all just a big "salem witch hunt".

they have supercomputers that listen to telephones and the net.

so since the FBI is probably listening to this message... listen to this:

"President Bush, I'm flicking you off as hard as i possibly can now, and my finger is starting to cramp."
 
we did once...His name was King George the Third of England...
 
kyhawkeye said:
we did once...His name was King George the Third of England...


Also in theory it was lincoln as well, he didnt care what the people said(the southern states) and enforced laws and taxes against them that would hurt them and also subdued any people who might had sympathized with the southern states
 
And yet, many historians refer to him as the greatest president in history...all a matter of perpsective I guess.
 
Why would anyone hire a stripper with a shaved head who was only going to annoy customers by telling them about her nutty anarchist politics?
 
kyhawkeye said:
And yet, many historians refer to him as the greatest president in history...all a matter of perpsective I guess.


Actually as of late historians have started to become very critical over lincolns actions. He isnt the "big president who abolished the evil slavery in the nation" and the lumberjack farm boy from the midwest

He's being more seen, in the academic world as a president who jailed people without cause in maryland so they couldnt try a secede
Invaded the south(who declared themselves a separate nation)
and origionally was not concerned about slavery till he realized that he would win on the abolitionist ticket. Hell, the war wasnt even about slavery till Lincoln got afraid of Englands involvement then gave that piece of paper called the emancipation proclamation(which in theory did nothing because it said black people in the south were free, yet at that time, the south wasnt a part of the US)

So history has been looking very critical at historical figures of our past, hell you should see how people are now attacking george washington and how the founding fathers were really bad as they try to throw dirt on their legacies
 
the war was certainly about slavery, neo confederates play the "states rights" card but that is bogus.
 
punk said:
the war was certainly about slavery, neo confederates play the "states rights" card but that is bogus.


Really, then how come the concept of slavery is not mentioned as a war cause till after the emanciaption proclamation? Why was it before that, the goal of the war was to "preserve the union"

Also, confederates back then fought for their homes, they werent screamin "for slavery" when they charged, they screamed things like "For virginia"

1\8th of the souther white population of 3.3 million owned slaves, and only a few of those were major plantations. The south was not some huge cotton plantation nation, most of the southeners were poor backwoods survivors. To say the south went to war for slavery is like saying we invaded iraq because rhode island decided to and we listened to them

Slavery was an issue but the south left the union(Which the consitution allows untill they were forced to relinquish the right as a part of the surrender btw) so they could maintain the right to choose. Slavery would have died out anyway with slave trade gone, the north provoked the conflict, and had the south not been invaded, the utah woulda been invaded so choose your poison(the govt also had plans to eliminate mormons)
 
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Hungarian2 said:
We should try dictatorship. 😛

damn.. when was the last time we or any country tried a full fledged invasion... oh wait, iraq.. that's right... iraq war seems like a vietnam junior... funny how history seems to repeat itself.
 
Bignorm868 said:
damn.. when was the last time we or any country tried a full fledged invasion... oh wait, iraq.. that's right... iraq war seems like a vietnam junior... funny how history seems to repeat itself.


"Sure you'll see some tank battles. But fighting in desert is very different from fighting in canopy jungle.I mean 'Nam was a foot soldier's war whereas, uh, this thing should be a fucking cakewalk. I mean I had an M16, Jacko, not an Abrams fucking tank. Just me and Charlie, man, eyeball to eyeball.That's fuckin' combat. The man in the black pyjamas, Dude. Worthy fuckin' adversary."
 
goodieluver said:
Really, then how come the concept of slavery is not mentioned as a war cause till after the emanciaption proclamation? Why was it before that, the goal of the war was to "preserve the union"

Also, confederates back then fought for their homes, they werent screamin "for slavery" when they charged, they screamed things like "For virginia"

1\8th of the souther white population of 3.3 million owned slaves, and only a few of those were major plantations. The south was not some huge cotton plantation nation, most of the southeners were poor backwoods survivors. To say the south went to war for slavery is like saying we invaded iraq because rhode island decided to and we listened to them

Slavery was an issue but the south left the union(Which the consitution allows untill they were forced to relinquish the right as a part of the surrender btw) so they could maintain the right to choose. Slavery would have died out anyway with slave trade gone, the north provoked the conflict, and had the south not been invaded, the utah woulda been invaded so choose your poison(the govt also had plans to eliminate mormons)


right and why did the union have to be "preserved" because of the slaveholders insurrection. race was thee key issue. read the douglass debates
 
punk said:
right and why did the union have to be "preserved" because of the slaveholders insurrection. race was thee key issue. read the douglass debates


Gee, was the first shots fired then over a slave plantation? No, they were fired because the north stated they wanted all federal property to remain theirs, fort sumpter was in "southern lands" and was taken. So the north used this as an excuse to invade because they claim their property was stolen. Why was slavery not declared a war issue by the GOVERNMENT till two years after the fighting had begun. Also, id like to see where any confederate general or soldiers' battle cry said "keep the slaves" or whatnot. Since black people were seen as less than human back in those days by BOTH SIDES, why the hell would they die for them then?
 
goodieluver said:
"Sure you'll see some tank battles. But fighting in desert is very different from fighting in canopy jungle.I mean 'Nam was a foot soldier's war whereas, uh, this thing should be a fucking cakewalk. I mean I had an M16, Jacko, not an Abrams fucking tank. Just me and Charlie, man, eyeball to eyeball.That's fuckin' combat. The man in the black pyjamas, Dude. Worthy fuckin' adversary."

well, derr, but they still are very similiar. but seriously, were you really in 'Nam?
 
Bignorm868 said:
well, derr, but they still are very similiar. but seriously, were you really in 'Nam?


No, its a great quote from big lebowski, the char i quoted was in Nam, and doesnt matter what the situation was, he'd relate it to nam

Their best buddy died of a heart attack cuz some german nihilists scared em\tried to rob em, so they had him creamated and put his remains in a coffee can to sprinkle to the sea, as he's givin a eulogy for him, he started to ramble about nam
 
goodieluver said:
Actually as of late historians have started to become very critical over lincolns actions. He isnt the "big president who abolished the evil slavery in the nation" and the lumberjack farm boy from the midwest

He's being more seen, in the academic world as a president who jailed people without cause in maryland so they couldnt try a secede
Invaded the south(who declared themselves a separate nation)
and origionally was not concerned about slavery till he realized that he would win on the abolitionist ticket. Hell, the war wasnt even about slavery till Lincoln got afraid of Englands involvement then gave that piece of paper called the emancipation proclamation(which in theory did nothing because it said black people in the south were free, yet at that time, the south wasnt a part of the US)

So history has been looking very critical at historical figures of our past, hell you should see how people are now attacking george washington and how the founding fathers were really bad as they try to throw dirt on their legacies


It's a unfortunate pastime called revisionist history. The liberal eliists can't stand to have any positive models out there, so the pull up stuff that was rumormongered and present it as historical fact. They seem to want to ignore the sacrifices made to give them the freedom they tend to abuse. We're Lincoln , Washngton, et al perfect saints? No. But they did outshines that. Do we throw out The Declaration of Independence because Jefferson had sex with one of his slaves? Not hardly.

Slavery was a the MAIN issue that split the Union. States rights was a close second. If you read any of Lincoln's speeches (Ex. the "House Divided speech), you know he was opposed to it before the war. However, he didn;t have the POLITICAL clout to go after it until they had enough victoires in the war. Then he did without hesistation. He had to wait for the right time to move.

Unfortuntaley, since the first name of 80% of history teachers in Jr. High and High School is 'Coach,' it is the least well taught subject. Making it easier for the liberal propaganda machines otherwise known as the 'mainstream' press to cloud issues, confuse the masses, and re-write the past as they see fit to fit the DNC's agenda.

One look at how the mine incident was handled is proof of how rotten the press corps are now. I'm not a jurnalist and even I can remember from my Mass Media class in High School 26 years ago that you confirm with 2-3 sources before you report anything like that.
 
goodieluver said:
No, its a great quote from big lebowski, the char i quoted was in Nam, and doesnt matter what the situation was, he'd relate it to nam

Their best buddy died of a heart attack cuz some german nihilists scared em\tried to rob em, so they had him creamated and put his remains in a coffee can to sprinkle to the sea, as he's givin a eulogy for him, he started to ramble about nam

fuuny thing, i have that movie but never watched it, figured it was some crappy movie someone gave me... think i'll go watch it soon.
 
punk said:
America's Least Trusted
How a Clermont stripper ended up under FBI surveillance
By Coley Ward
Published December 28, 2005

People seem to think the guys who wrote the Constitution didn't know what it was like to be in danger. How could they, if they didn't believe in giving the executive branch total power?
 
kyhawkeye said:
It's a unfortunate pastime called revisionist history. The liberal eliists can't stand to have any positive models out there, so the pull up stuff that was rumormongered and present it as historical fact. They seem to want to ignore the sacrifices made to give them the freedom they tend to abuse. We're Lincoln , Washngton, et al perfect saints? No. But they did outshines that. Do we throw out The Declaration of Independence because Jefferson had sex with one of his slaves? Not hardly.

Slavery was a the MAIN issue that split the Union. States rights was a close second. If you read any of Lincoln's speeches (Ex. the "House Divided speech), you know he was opposed to it before the war. However, he didn;t have the POLITICAL clout to go after it until they had enough victoires in the war. Then he did without hesistation. He had to wait for the right time to move.

Unfortuntaley, since the first name of 80% of history teachers in Jr. High and High School is 'Coach,' it is the least well taught subject. Making it easier for the liberal propaganda machines otherwise known as the 'mainstream' press to cloud issues, confuse the masses, and re-write the past as they see fit to fit the DNC's agenda.

One look at how the mine incident was handled is proof of how rotten the press corps are now. I'm not a jurnalist and even I can remember from my Mass Media class in High School 26 years ago that you confirm with 2-3 sources before you report anything like that.

You can't give freedom, you can only take it away. No one owes their freedom to anyone else. Fighting men are there to protect us from other fighting men.
 
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