Bigfoot Silva defeats Fedor on Strikeforce

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Strikeforce tonight was awesome. The heavyweight GrandPrix started tonight and Fedor gets beat by TKO as official stops fight between rds 2 and 3

Couple of things...

Strikeforce by far has the best group of heavyweights in the world.

The Fedor fights shows that once again grapplers who ground and pound will kick the ass of a boxer/ mua thai/ brawler most every time.

Silva grounded Fedor with BJJ [ Silva is blackbelt ] and pounded Fedors right eye completely shut . Silva nearly choked him out as well

 

[AphxA]

arlowski suffered his fourth straight loss and fedor was def....actually fedor was destroyed by silva. I have never seen such a savage beating. Tournament to continue in april.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

arlowski suffered his fourth straight loss and fedor was def....actually fedor was destroyed by silva. I have never seen such a savage beating. Tournament to continue in april.

I think Arlowski is in Grand Prix due to name recognition. The talent assembled in this tournament could be the best in history for a heavyweight division.

Silva did completely dominate . At end of rd2 when Fedor reversed a knee lock into ankle lock and Silva just wagged his finger at him was amazing

 

[ShiningIce]

Damn Fedor lost again?!

 

[Snail Shell]

I disagree about Strikeforce having the best heavyweights. Maybe the best competition between them, but I'd love to see Silva, Fedor, Werdum or Overeem hold their own against Velasquez, Carwin, Lesnar or Dos Santos. I don't meet that in a snotty way; I really would like to see it, if only to determine who actually is the best heavyweight in the world.

As for Fedor, he may go down as the best heavyweight in the history of the sport, but without UFC gold, that will always be contested. This loss though puts him out of the discussion in my mind as to the Greatest Pound-for-Pound or of all time. For that, we'll have to turn to Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre or maybe Randy Couture.

And to those who say Fedor only lost to time, he's 34 and starting to fall from grace. Anderson Silva is 36 and destroying competition. He's aging for the sport, but Fedor isn't too old to be competitive.

Look forward to the results in April.

SS

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

I disagree about Strikeforce having the best heavyweights. Maybe the best competition between them, but I'd love to see Silva, Fedor, Werdum or Overeem hold their own against Velasquez, Carwin, Lesnar or Dos Santos. I don't meet that in a snotty way; I really would like to see it, if only to determine who actually is the best heavyweight in the world.

As for Fedor, he may go down as the best heavyweight in the history of the sport, but without UFC gold, that will always be contested. This loss though puts him out of the discussion in my mind as to the Greatest Pound-for-Pound or of all time. For that, we'll have to turn to Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre or maybe Randy Couture.

And to those who say Fedor only lost to time, he's 34 and starting to fall from grace. Anderson Silva is 36 and destroying competition. He's aging for the sport, but Fedor isn't too old to be competitive.

Look forward to the results in April.

SS

Lesnar and Carwin are one trick ponies and Lesnar is also media hype; really a glorified Kimbo Slice. Strikeforce brought in two top guys from Pride in Josh Barnett and the russian who destroyed Arlovski . From top to bottom UFC can't touch Strikeforce as a whole in heavyweight division .

Strikeforce may also have the best pound for pound fighter in the world in Nick Diaz . He has boxed professionally and has a blackbelt in Gracie BJJ

 

[Interrogator]

I completely disagree with the judgements on the Fedor fight. Yes I am a huge Fedor fan and was gutted to see him lose, but to pick up on what one of commentators said, Fedor is just too small for the heavyweight division, he would do much better at light heavyweight. Also, in my opinion they should have continued the fight. Yes Fedor's eye was mashed, but no worse than Josh Koscheck's eye in the GSP fight, and he was allowed to continue for another 2 rounds. Neither Fedor nor Silva was expecting the fight to be stopped (hence the suprise on Silva's face when they told him he had won).

They should have continued because the fight was by no means over. Fedor took insane ground and pound, survived 3 attempts at a rear naked choke, an attempted arm triangle and a heel hook, all from a BJJ black belt twice his own size, yet by the end of the round it was Silva who looked exhausted. While he was sitting on top of Fedor he barely had the gas to even try and punch him, whereas Fedor popped straight back up when the bell went. Granted Silva was dominating on points, but he was done. Apart from the eye Fedor looked ok, and knowing that Silva was exhausted, he needed to finish in the final round, and he coldn't get taken down again, Fedor would have gone for the knockout, which we all know is possible (e.g. the Tim Sylvia fight).

It just annoys me Fedor lost in this way, despite the beating he took he could have turned it around like the Edgar vs. Maynard fight. He may be down at the moment but he's not out.

 

[Liu Kang]

The Fedor fights shows that once again grapplers who ground and pound will kick the ass of a boxer/ mua thai/ brawler most every time.

Fedor is actually a sambo fighter.

Anderson Silva and Shogun have both a muay thai background and they are still UFC champs.

 

[obama666]

Good fight! Based on Fedor's last two outings it's obvious that Fedor has been ducking the best of the UFC the past year or so. He could still have a huge pay day if he fights the winner of the Dos Santos, Lesnar fight. though Lesnar and Carwin are one trick ponies, they are very dangerous one trick ponies. You don't need alot of fancy smancy moves when you have that kind of power. If I want to see fancy smancy moves I can always watch a Bruce Lee Movie... To make an analogy, Shaq doesn't have to learn how to dribble behind his back and learn to spin a ball on his fingers like Meadowlark Lemon.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

I completely disagree with the judgements on the Fedor fight. Yes I am a huge Fedor fan and was gutted to see him lose, but to pick up on what one of commentators said, Fedor is just too small for the heavyweight division, he would do much better at light heavyweight. Also, in my opinion they should have continued the fight. Yes Fedor's eye was mashed, but no worse than Josh Koscheck's eye in the GSP fight, and he was allowed to continue for another 2 rounds. Neither Fedor nor Silva was expecting the fight to be stopped (hence the suprise on Silva's face when they told him he had won).

They should have continued because the fight was by no means over. Fedor took insane ground and pound, survived 3 attempts at a rear naked choke, an attempted arm triangle and a heel hook, all from a BJJ black belt twice his own size, yet by the end of the round it was Silva who looked exhausted. While he was sitting on top of Fedor he barely had the gas to even try and punch him, whereas Fedor popped straight back up when the bell went. Granted Silva was dominating on points, but he was done. Apart from the eye Fedor looked ok, and knowing that Silva was exhausted, he needed to finish in the final round, and he coldn't get taken down again, Fedor would have gone for the knockout, which we all know is possible (e.g. the Tim Sylvia fight).

It just annoys me Fedor lost in this way, despite the beating he took he could have turned it around like the Edgar vs. Maynard fight. He may be down at the moment but he's not out.

Fedor was completely dominated by Silva. Other than one or two haymakers Fedor was completely overwhelmed and overmatched on Saturday Night . They did the right thing by stopping the fight because Fedor really could have been hurt . Fedor looked like the beaten man; Silva right now may be the most complete heavyweight in all of MMA .

Fedor is truly one of the legends and greatest heavyweights of all time. Problem is that he has been fighting over a decade and fighters, trainers and managers have had opportunity to conter his style with adjustments that can make all the difference. Same thing happened to Royce Gracie especially after guis were banned .

 

[bftk2005]

I completely disagree with the judgements on the Fedor fight. Yes I am a huge Fedor fan and was gutted to see him lose, but to pick up on what one of commentators said, Fedor is just too small for the heavyweight division, he would do much better at light heavyweight. Also, in my opinion they should have continued the fight. Yes Fedor's eye was mashed, but no worse than Josh Koscheck's eye in the GSP fight, and he was allowed to continue for another 2 rounds. Neither Fedor nor Silva was expecting the fight to be stopped (hence the suprise on Silva's face when they told him he had won).

They should have continued because the fight was by no means over. Fedor took insane ground and pound, survived 3 attempts at a rear naked choke, an attempted arm triangle and a heel hook, all from a BJJ black belt twice his own size, yet by the end of the round it was Silva who looked exhausted. While he was sitting on top of Fedor he barely had the gas to even try and punch him, whereas Fedor popped straight back up when the bell went. Granted Silva was dominating on points, but he was done. Apart from the eye Fedor looked ok, and knowing that Silva was exhausted, he needed to finish in the final round, and he coldn't get taken down again, Fedor would have gone for the knockout, which we all know is possible (e.g. the Tim Sylvia fight).

It just annoys me Fedor lost in this way, despite the beating he took he could have turned it around like the Edgar vs. Maynard fight. He may be down at the moment but he's not out.

I am a Fedor fan but I completely disagree. Even his own team agrees the fight should have been stopped. For one thing he could not even see out of that eye. And for another thing no fight is worth suffering permanent damage to your eye. That eye was badly swollen and to continue could have caused permanent damage, good stoppage.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Fedor is actually a sambo fighter.

Anderson Silva and Shogun have both a muay thai background and they are still UFC champs.

Fedor is a sambo fighter who generally only uses sambo when he is taken to ground. His brawling style is what made him all-time great .

Silva is a phenomenal champ who also is a wonderful grappler trained in BJJ. Of his four losses of which two are really legit losses he has submitted to other grapplers . Sure looks like a pattern to me.


My point is you can't expect to be a force longterm in MMA by being a brawler/ standup guy only . BJJ is the standard and guys who have expertise in that discipline can learn to strike ; strikers/ boxers/ brawlers can't become submission fighters without years of practice

 

[bftk2005]

I also agree that strikeforce has the best heavyweights. Brock Lesnar cannot stand, if he cannot get you down and keep you down he has no chance. Shane carwin had him badly hurt until he gassed out. Cain has great hands and good wrestling but no submissions. Santos has excellent hands but I have not seen his ground dame although he is out of the black house so I am sure he has a ground game. On the other hand Fedor has good stand up and an excellent ground game. Fabrico is also well rounded. Allistar is an overall beast and Bigfoot showed he can stand or work on the ground and showed good submission defense. The UFC heavyweights cannot compete.

 

[Tickler15]

Strikeforce tonight was awesome. The heavyweight GrandPrix started tonight and Fedor gets beat by TKO as official stops fight between rds 2 and 3

Couple of things...

Strikeforce by far has the best group of heavyweights in the world.

The Fedor fights shows that once again grapplers who ground and pound will kick the ass of a boxer/ mua thai/ brawler most every time.

Silva grounded Fedor with BJJ [ Silva is blackbelt ] and pounded Fedors right eye completely shut . Silva nearly choked him out as well

Well, Fedor had the first round and almost finished Silva with a leg lock at the end of the 2nd. Fedor is not a striker he is a master in Sambo and Judo, a majority of his wins have been by submission. I think if there was a round 3, Fedor could of finished Silva. And as for grapplers beating strikers everytime? Thats not true... Remember "The best fighter is not a boxer, wrestler, karatea, but the person who knows the most martial arts."-Bruce Lee, I am not even sure thats the correct quote but he said something like that. If Fedor would of kept Silva off the ground he would of won. The reason Silva won was he had better stragety.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Well, Fedor had the first round and almost finished Silva with a leg lock at the end of the 2nd. Fedor is not a striker he is a master in Sambo and Judo, a majority of his wins have been by submission. I think if there was a round 3, Fedor could of finished Silva. And as for grapplers beating strikers everytime? Thats not true... Remember "The best fighter is not a boxer, wrestler, karatea, but the person who knows the most martial arts."-Bruce Lee, I am not even sure thats the correct quote but he said something like that. If Fedor would of kept Silva off the ground he would of won. The reason Silva won was he had better stragety.

No offense but you must not have actually seen the fight .

If you are going to bring in Bruce Lee into this then we might as well quote Adam West AKA batman . '' Zoom , bomp, bamm, ''. lmao

The anouncers at the fight agreed Silva won the 1st rd. Silva obviously dominated the 2nd.

Did you not see Silva waggle his finger at Fedor almost mocking him that his feeble attempt at a ankle lock was pointless. Silva got up with a smile on his face. He knew this was his fight and would had destroyed Fedor in the 3rd .


Not taking anything against Fedor; he is one of all-time greats and maybe best heavyweight ever . He completely dominated for over a decade . But on saturday night Bigfoot Silva was simply better . Fedor last two losses have come to guys that specialize in BJJ

Fedor is indeed a master of sambo. I have probably seen at least 12 to 15 fights of his and he always preferred to standup and brawl unless the other fighter took him to the ground. This was the case even against the 7 foot Korean who dwarfed him .

 

[Tickler15]

No offense but you must not have actually seen the fight .

If you are going to bring in Bruce Lee into this then we might as well quote Adam West AKA batman . '' Zoom , bomp, bamm, ''. lmao

The anouncers at the fight agreed Silva won the 1st rd. Silva obviously dominated the 2nd.

Did you not see Silva waggle his finger at Fedor almost mocking him that his feeble attempt at a ankle lock was pointless. Silva got up with a smile on his face. He knew this was his fight and would had destroyed Fedor in the 3rd .


Not taking anything against Fedor; he is one of all-time greats and maybe best heavyweight ever . He completely dominated for over a decade . But on saturday night Bigfoot Silva was simply better . Fedor last two losses have come to guys that specialize in BJJ

Fedor is indeed a master of sambo. I have probably seen at least 12 to 15 fights of his and he always preferred to standup and brawl unless the other fighter took him to the ground. This was the case even against the 7 foot Korean who dwarfed him .

I saw the fight, and Bruce Lee is the father of MMA. Btw, Adam West is not a martial artist. Bruce Lee is. Maybe I misspoke, but the announcers said MAYBE Fedor had the first round. Yeah I saw the finger waggle. Was is feeble? No idea, but maybe Silva knew the round was about to come to and end, or maybe it was feeble. I actually have to take away ONE submission of Fedor's because it was dude to strikes but 15 of his 31 wins were by TRUE submssions. Define specialize? People who have earned a black belt? He has beaten several people who practice BJJ including Nogueira. Most of the people he has beaten who practiced BJJ have black belts with the exception of two.

 

[Snail Shell]

Strikeforce may also have the best pound for pound fighter in the world in Nick Diaz .

You mean that guy who got run out of the UFC after three straight losses to Sean Sherk, Diego Sanchez and Karo Parisyan? That guy who's fought a long line of nobodys? That guy? He's your pound-for-pound champ?

Diaz has never been ranked in the top five Welterweights in the world, never mind pound-for-pound. The closest thing to Nick Diaz being close to that list is Jake Shields, who's slated to get beaten to a pulp by GSP at the end of April. Sorry man, but until Diaz somehow comes back to the UFC, fights some legitimate competition and makes a serious run at GSP, he's not even on the P4P radar.

SS

 

[Tickler15]

You mean that guy who got run out of the UFC after three straight losses to Sean Sherk, Diego Sanchez and Karo Parisyan? That guy who's fought a long line of nobodys? That guy? He's your pound-for-pound champ?

Diaz has never been ranked in the top five Welterweights in the world, never mind pound-for-pound. The closest thing to Nick Diaz being close to that list is Jake Shields, who's slated to get beaten to a pulp by GSP at the end of April. Sorry man, but until Diaz somehow comes back to the UFC, fights some legitimate competition and makes a serious run at GSP, he's not even on the P4P radar.

SS

Nick Diaz? In my opinion he is a douche, and has ZERO people skills. KJ Noons was at least decent

 

[Tickler15]

BTW, slightly off topic...does Werdum get two shots at Overeem? Or just one? I know they are fighting in the Quarter final, but wasn't Werdum promised at shot at the belt?

 

[Dave Pavet]

They nearly always stop fights when a fighter has an eye closed up like Fedor. It becomes quite tough to see hooks, both punches and kicks from the side the eye is closed on. This of course makes it a very dangerous situation. This was without a doubt a good stop. I scored the fist round 10-9 Silva and the second round 10 -8 Silva.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

You mean that guy who got run out of the UFC after three straight losses to Sean Sherk, Diego Sanchez and Karo Parisyan? That guy who's fought a long line of nobodys? That guy? He's your pound-for-pound champ?

Diaz has never been ranked in the top five Welterweights in the world, never mind pound-for-pound. The closest thing to Nick Diaz being close to that list is Jake Shields, who's slated to get beaten to a pulp by GSP at the end of April. Sorry man, but until Diaz somehow comes back to the UFC, fights some legitimate competition and makes a serious run at GSP, he's not even on the P4P radar.

SS

Why would he go back to UFC when he is the Strikeforce Champ . There is this huge misconception that UFC is the only game in town . Five years ago that might have been the case. Its not that way anymore . Strikeforce as a whole is equal if not better than UFC .


Diaz is a cocky SOB who has gotten better over the last few years. His skills right now are as good as anybodies pound for pound. MMA changes so quickly, its about results and wins not what you did three years ago .

Arlovski was the UFC heavyweight champ not that long ago . He is now a shell of himself and not even a top 10 heavyweight anymore . thats how quickly things change

 

[Bizkit]

The Fedor fights shows that once again grapplers who ground and pound will kick the ass of a boxer/ mua thai/ brawler most every time.

Fedor is indeed a master of sambo. I have probably seen at least 12 to 15 fights of his and he always preferred to standup and brawl unless the other fighter took him to the ground. This was the case even against the 7 foot Korean who dwarfed him .

Since when is Fedor known as a boxer/muay thai/brawler? This a guy with an extensive sambo/judo background who at one point in his career was known as the man who redefined ground and pound.

Fedor has never been a brawler.Historically he has used his wild punches to close the distance and utilize his grappling skills and takedowns.In the Choi fight he did this exact thing although he didn't complete the throw and ended up on the bottom.If you think Hong Man Choi,an unaccomplished kickboxer,took down Fedor you need to rewatch that fight closely and pay no mind to the commentators. You should probably rewatch the 12 to 15 fights as well because you have the wrong impression about Fedor's fighting style.

 

[Tickler15]

Why would he go back to UFC when he is the Strikeforce Champ . There is this huge misconception that UFC is the only game in town . Five years ago that might have been the case. Its not that way anymore . Strikeforce as a whole is equal if not better than UFC .


Diaz is a cocky SOB who has gotten better over the last few years. His skills right now are as good as anybodies pound for pound. MMA changes so quickly, its about results and wins not what you did three years ago .

Arlovski was the UFC heavyweight champ not that long ago . He is now a shell of himself and not even a top 10 heavyweight anymore . thats how quickly things change

The UFC has the best fighters in the world...better or equal to the UFC? Then why is Jake Shields and many other people jumping to the UFC?

 

[Tickler15]

Arlovski was the UFC heavyweight champ not that long ago . He is now a shell of himself and not even a top 10 heavyweight anymore . thats how quickly things change

Arlosvski last help the UFC heavyweight title in 2005....6 years ago. He lost the title in 2006 to Tim Sylvia.

 

[bftk2005]

Why would he go back to UFC when he is the Strikeforce Champ . There is this huge misconception that UFC is the only game in town . Five years ago that might have been the case. Its not that way anymore . Strikeforce as a whole is equal if not better than UFC .


Diaz is a cocky SOB who has gotten better over the last few years. His skills right now are as good as anybodies pound for pound. MMA changes so quickly, its about results and wins not what you did three years ago .

Arlovski was the UFC heavyweight champ not that long ago . He is now a shell of himself and not even a top 10 heavyweight anymore . thats how quickly things change

You cannot just say strikeforce is equal without breaking down the weight classes. Lightweights-UFC. Welterweights-UFC(even before Jake Shields). Middleweights-UFC. LHWT-UFC. HWT-Strikeforce. I don't see how Strikeforce comes close except for the heavyweight division.