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Brett Favre Retire; I hate to see him go

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After flirting with retirement for years, Brett Favre means it this time. The Green Bay Packers quarterback quit Tuesday after a 17-season career in which he dazzled fans with his grit, heart and rocket of an arm.

"I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired," Favre, a three-time NFL MVP, told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a voice mail message.

"If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna [his wife] and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful," Favre said in the message.

"I know it shouldn't feel unsuccessful, but the only way to come back and make that be the right decision would be to come back and win a Super Bowl. And honestly, the odds of that, they're tough. Those are big shoes for me to fill, and I guess it was a challenge I wasn't up for. "

Packers coach Mike McCarthy told Mortensen that Favre called him Monday night to tell him his decision. He also said Favre had first mentioned the possibility of retiring on Thursday.

"He called me last night to tell me he'd thought this thing through and he said, 'Well, you know how it is,' and 'I'm just tired and I just think it's time,' " McCarthy said.

"And I did tell him last Thursday when he mentioned retirement for the first time, I told him while we talked that he did have to trust his heart."


The Gunslinger Retires

Brett Favre leaves the NFL with his name atop several career passing categories. In 2007, he set the record for passing TDs (442), passing yards (61,655) and wins by a starting QB (160) and interceptions (288). Including the playoffs, he played in 275 consecutive games.
• Favre's career stats

Most TD passes TDs
Brett Favre 442
Dan Marino 420
Fran Tarkenton 342
Peyton Manning 306
Most passing yards Passing yards
Favre 61,655
Marino 61,361
John Elway 51,475
Warren Moon 49,325
QB wins by starter Wins
Favre 160
Elway 148
Marino 147
Tarkenton 125
Interceptions INTs
Favre 288
George Blanda 277
John Hadl 268
Vinny Testaverde 267
The news was a surprise to at least one of Favre's teammates. Most players expected Favre to return after a successful 2007 season.


"I just saw it come across the TV," Packers wide receiver Koren Robinson said, when reached on his cell phone by The Associated Press.



Favre, 38, had made his annual flirtation with retirement a winter tradition in Wisconsin. He has taken weeks and even months to make his decision after recent seasons, with Cheeseheads hanging on his every word.



But unlike the final game of the 2006 season -- when Favre provided a cliffhanger by getting choked up in a television interview as he walked off the field in Chicago, only to return once again -- nearly everyone assumed he would be back.



A sure-fire first-ballot Hall of Famer, Favre put the Packers back among the NFL's elite. He retires with 5,377 career completions in 8,758 attempts for 61,655 yards, 442 touchdowns and 288 interceptions, passing Dan Marino's touchdown mark last season.



"Brett Favre will always be remembered as one of the greatest players and fiercest competitors in NFL history," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "His long list of accomplishments both on and off the field is remarkable. Brett's talent, enthusiasm and love of the game helped him become the only player to earn three MVP awards and he was a vital part of bringing a Super Bowl championship back to Green Bay. It has been a joy and privilege for all of us to watch him play. We wish Brett, Deanna and their family all the best and hope he will stay connected to the game that he honored with his brilliant play for so many years."

As a player Favre was known for his durability, his willingness to take risks and turn broken plays into big gains, as his love for the game that was evident in the way he played. He led the Packers to Super Bowls in 1996 and 1997, winning it all on his first try in Super Bowl XXXI, and was named to nine Pro Bowls.



In Super Bowl XXXI, a win over the New England Patriots, Favre went 14 of 27 for 246 yards and two touchdowns. A year later, in Super Bowl XXXII, he went 25 of 42 for 256 yards, three TDS and an interception in a loss to the Denver Broncos.


[+] EnlargeGreen Bay Press-Gazette

The Green Bay Press-Gazette said it distributed 50,000 extra editions Tuesday for its Favre coverage, the newspaper's first extra edition since Sept. 11, 2001.

He finished his career on a streak of 253 consecutive regular season starts -- 275 including playoff games.



Favre's agent, Bus Cook, told Mortensen that as of Tuesday morning, there were no plans for Favre to hold a news conference.



"I talked to Brett this morning and I told him, 'nobody forced you to make this decision to retire, but the flip side is nobody encouraged you to play,' " Cook told Mortensen. "Two years ago, Ted [Thompson, the Packers' GM] encouraged him to play, but there was nothing this time around from them offering encouragement or him to come back."

"He has had one of the greatest careers in the history of the National Football League, and he is able to walk away from the game on his own terms. Not many players are able to do that," Thompson said. "The Packers owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude. He has given Packers fans 16 years of wonderful memories, a Super Bowl championship among them, that will live on forever."



Former Packers GM Ron Wolf, who engineered the trade that brought Favre to Lambeau Field, told ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd that Favre was the best player he ever saw.



"I was in the game 41 years and was around an awful lot of great players, but the greatest player I was ever around was Brett Favre," Wolf said.



Wolf was surprised by Favre's announcement, but felt it was the right choice.




Will Brett Favre stay retired?
Yes
No




"The way he played and the style he played and how he played requires an awful lot of dedication and passion, and if he no longer has the passion to play, then it's very, very wise for him to hang 'em up," he said.



Favre, who returned for the 2007 season when many thought he should have left the game, had a career renaissance in his final season and led Green Bay to the NFC Championship Game, where the Packers lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants in overtime.



Favre passed Marino for the all-time completions record in 2006, and in 2007 set NFL records for wins by a QB, touchdown passes, pass attempts, passing yards and interceptions. He claimed the NFL record for career quarterback wins with his 149th victory in Week 2, passed Marino for the TD record in Week 4 and overtook Marino's career passing yards record in Week 15.



Mortensen reported that Favre, who wanted the Packers to obtain Randy Moss when he was a free agent last season, had once again pushed for Moss to join the Packers.



Favre had spoken to Moss late last week and was willing to commit to more than just this season if Moss and the Packers could come to an agreement. But the Packers did not pursue Moss, who re-signed with the Patriots on Monday.



In his voice mail message to Mortensen, Favre said the Packers' lack of interest in Moss was not the driving reason why he retired.



"This is not about the Packers and who they got or who they didn't get. I get along fine with [Thompson] and I get along great with [McCarthy]. Do I agree with them all the time? No. But the bottom line is, none of that stuff affected my decision," Favre said.

McCarthy said he and Favre had never discussed bringing in Moss.


Favre as a starter
Brett Favre started in the NFL for 16 of his 17 career seasons. A look at how his numbers:

Category Stats
Reg season W-L 160-93
Losing Seasons 1
Playoff Appearances 11
Playoff W-L 12-10
Division Titles 7
Super Bowls 2 (one win)

"But I can tell you one thing, never once in all my conversations with Brett this offseason has he ever asked or told me that we had to have Randy Moss for him to come back and play," McCarthy told Mortensen. "Randy Moss' name never came up once. And it bothers me that [Favre's agent] has made this an issue."

Surrounded by an underrated group of wide receivers who proved hard to tackle after the catch, Favre had a career-high completion percentage of 66.5 in 2007. He threw for 4,155 yards, 28 touchdowns and only 15 interceptions.



It was a remarkable turnaround from the past two seasons. In 2005, Favre's final season under former head coach Mike Sherman, he threw a career-worst 29 interceptions as the Packers went 4-12. In 2006 he completed 56 percent of his passes and threw for as many touchdowns (18) as interceptions.



Given Favre's career resurgence, it was widely assumed that he was leaning toward returning for the 2008 season.



He even said as much just before the Packers' Jan. 12 divisional playoff game against Seattle, telling his hometown newspaper that he wasn't approaching the game as if it would be his last and was more optimistic than in years past about returning.




Favre's favorite targets
The players who caught the most touchdown passes from Brett Favre during his career, headed by Antonio Freeman.

Name TD catches
Antonio Freeman 57
Sterling Sharpe 41
Donald Driver 36
Robert Brooks 32
Bubba Franks 29
Bill Schroeder 19
Javon Walker 19
Mark Chmura 16
Dorsey Levens 16
Greg Jennings 14
Ahman Green 14

"For the first time in three years, I haven't thought this could be my last game," Favre told the Biloxi [Miss.] Sun Herald. "I would like to continue longer."


The Falcons selected Favre out of Southern Miss with the 33rd pick of the 1991 NFL draft. He was then traded to Green Bay for the 17th overall pick in the 1992 draft and appeared in his first Packers game on Sept. 20 of that year, replacing injured starter Don Majkowski and leading Green Bay to a 24-23 come-from-behind victory over the Cincinnati Bengals. He was named the starter later in the season, a role he never relinquished.


By nature of his style of play -- he was willing to roll the dice on long throws and able to force passes into tight coverage thanks to a strong right arm -- Favre had a flair for the dramatic on the field. But his off-the-field life has been full of drama as well.



He nearly died in a car accident in Mississippi in 1990, before his senior season at Southern Mississippi. In May 1996, Favre acknowledged he had developed an addiction to the painkiller Vicodin and sought treatment. In 2004, his wife Deanna announced she was fighting breast cancer, for which she was successfully treated. That same year, his brother in law was killed in an ATV accident. And in 2005, Hurricane Katrina destroyed his boyhood home in Kiln, Miss., and damaged his current home in Hattiesburg.



Favre's off-field and on-field lives collided Dec. 21, 2003, when his father suffered a fatal heart attack in his home town of Kiln, Miss. The next night, Favre chose to play the Packers' scheduled "Monday Night Football" game against the Raiders and threw for 399 yards and four touchdowns in a 41-7 win
 
I'm glad to see him go. All the talk about retirement for the last few years got on my nerves. Now we'll have to listen to speculation about a return.
 
If this day wasn't yesterday, it was going to come soon. No one can play forever. It's time to close the Brett Favre era. We'll miss his fun-loving playing style, but football goes on.

I do love the irony: 2-3 years, people thought he would retire, he doesn't. The year people don't think he'll retire, he walks away.
 
me too

I really hate to see him go, especially now that there's enough talent around him for the team to be competitive again. Football won't seem the same without him.

After flirting with retirement for years, Brett Favre means it this time. The Green Bay Packers quarterback quit Tuesday after a 17-season career in which he dazzled fans with his grit, heart and rocket of an arm.

"I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired," Favre, a three-time NFL MVP, told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a voice mail message.

"If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna [his wife] and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful," Favre said in the message.

"I know it shouldn't feel unsuccessful, but the only way to come back and make that be the right decision would be to come back and win a Super Bowl. And honestly, the odds of that, they're tough. Those are big shoes for me to fill, and I guess it was a challenge I wasn't up for. "

Packers coach Mike McCarthy told Mortensen that Favre called him Monday night to tell him his decision. He also said Favre had first mentioned the possibility of retiring on Thursday.

"He called me last night to tell me he'd thought this thing through and he said, 'Well, you know how it is,' and 'I'm just tired and I just think it's time,' " McCarthy said.

"And I did tell him last Thursday when he mentioned retirement for the first time, I told him while we talked that he did have to trust his heart."


The Gunslinger Retires

Brett Favre leaves the NFL with his name atop several career passing categories. In 2007, he set the record for passing TDs (442), passing yards (61,655) and wins by a starting QB (160) and interceptions (288). Including the playoffs, he played in 275 consecutive games.
• Favre's career stats

Most TD passes TDs
Brett Favre 442
Dan Marino 420
Fran Tarkenton 342
Peyton Manning 306
Most passing yards Passing yards
Favre 61,655
Marino 61,361
John Elway 51,475
Warren Moon 49,325
QB wins by starter Wins
Favre 160
Elway 148
Marino 147
Tarkenton 125
Interceptions INTs
Favre 288
George Blanda 277
John Hadl 268
Vinny Testaverde 267
The news was a surprise to at least one of Favre's teammates. Most players expected Favre to return after a successful 2007 season.


"I just saw it come across the TV," Packers wide receiver Koren Robinson said, when reached on his cell phone by The Associated Press.



Favre, 38, had made his annual flirtation with retirement a winter tradition in Wisconsin. He has taken weeks and even months to make his decision after recent seasons, with Cheeseheads hanging on his every word.



But unlike the final game of the 2006 season -- when Favre provided a cliffhanger by getting choked up in a television interview as he walked off the field in Chicago, only to return once again -- nearly everyone assumed he would be back.



A sure-fire first-ballot Hall of Famer, Favre put the Packers back among the NFL's elite. He retires with 5,377 career completions in 8,758 attempts for 61,655 yards, 442 touchdowns and 288 interceptions, passing Dan Marino's touchdown mark last season.



"Brett Favre will always be remembered as one of the greatest players and fiercest competitors in NFL history," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "His long list of accomplishments both on and off the field is remarkable. Brett's talent, enthusiasm and love of the game helped him become the only player to earn three MVP awards and he was a vital part of bringing a Super Bowl championship back to Green Bay. It has been a joy and privilege for all of us to watch him play. We wish Brett, Deanna and their family all the best and hope he will stay connected to the game that he honored with his brilliant play for so many years."

As a player Favre was known for his durability, his willingness to take risks and turn broken plays into big gains, as his love for the game that was evident in the way he played. He led the Packers to Super Bowls in 1996 and 1997, winning it all on his first try in Super Bowl XXXI, and was named to nine Pro Bowls.



In Super Bowl XXXI, a win over the New England Patriots, Favre went 14 of 27 for 246 yards and two touchdowns. A year later, in Super Bowl XXXII, he went 25 of 42 for 256 yards, three TDS and an interception in a loss to the Denver Broncos.


[+] EnlargeGreen Bay Press-Gazette

The Green Bay Press-Gazette said it distributed 50,000 extra editions Tuesday for its Favre coverage, the newspaper's first extra edition since Sept. 11, 2001.

He finished his career on a streak of 253 consecutive regular season starts -- 275 including playoff games.



Favre's agent, Bus Cook, told Mortensen that as of Tuesday morning, there were no plans for Favre to hold a news conference.



"I talked to Brett this morning and I told him, 'nobody forced you to make this decision to retire, but the flip side is nobody encouraged you to play,' " Cook told Mortensen. "Two years ago, Ted [Thompson, the Packers' GM] encouraged him to play, but there was nothing this time around from them offering encouragement or him to come back."

"He has had one of the greatest careers in the history of the National Football League, and he is able to walk away from the game on his own terms. Not many players are able to do that," Thompson said. "The Packers owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude. He has given Packers fans 16 years of wonderful memories, a Super Bowl championship among them, that will live on forever."



Former Packers GM Ron Wolf, who engineered the trade that brought Favre to Lambeau Field, told ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd that Favre was the best player he ever saw.



"I was in the game 41 years and was around an awful lot of great players, but the greatest player I was ever around was Brett Favre," Wolf said.



Wolf was surprised by Favre's announcement, but felt it was the right choice.




Will Brett Favre stay retired?
Yes
No




"The way he played and the style he played and how he played requires an awful lot of dedication and passion, and if he no longer has the passion to play, then it's very, very wise for him to hang 'em up," he said.



Favre, who returned for the 2007 season when many thought he should have left the game, had a career renaissance in his final season and led Green Bay to the NFC Championship Game, where the Packers lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants in overtime.



Favre passed Marino for the all-time completions record in 2006, and in 2007 set NFL records for wins by a QB, touchdown passes, pass attempts, passing yards and interceptions. He claimed the NFL record for career quarterback wins with his 149th victory in Week 2, passed Marino for the TD record in Week 4 and overtook Marino's career passing yards record in Week 15.



Mortensen reported that Favre, who wanted the Packers to obtain Randy Moss when he was a free agent last season, had once again pushed for Moss to join the Packers.



Favre had spoken to Moss late last week and was willing to commit to more than just this season if Moss and the Packers could come to an agreement. But the Packers did not pursue Moss, who re-signed with the Patriots on Monday.



In his voice mail message to Mortensen, Favre said the Packers' lack of interest in Moss was not the driving reason why he retired.



"This is not about the Packers and who they got or who they didn't get. I get along fine with [Thompson] and I get along great with [McCarthy]. Do I agree with them all the time? No. But the bottom line is, none of that stuff affected my decision," Favre said.

McCarthy said he and Favre had never discussed bringing in Moss.


Favre as a starter
Brett Favre started in the NFL for 16 of his 17 career seasons. A look at how his numbers:

Category Stats
Reg season W-L 160-93
Losing Seasons 1
Playoff Appearances 11
Playoff W-L 12-10
Division Titles 7
Super Bowls 2 (one win)

"But I can tell you one thing, never once in all my conversations with Brett this offseason has he ever asked or told me that we had to have Randy Moss for him to come back and play," McCarthy told Mortensen. "Randy Moss' name never came up once. And it bothers me that [Favre's agent] has made this an issue."

Surrounded by an underrated group of wide receivers who proved hard to tackle after the catch, Favre had a career-high completion percentage of 66.5 in 2007. He threw for 4,155 yards, 28 touchdowns and only 15 interceptions.



It was a remarkable turnaround from the past two seasons. In 2005, Favre's final season under former head coach Mike Sherman, he threw a career-worst 29 interceptions as the Packers went 4-12. In 2006 he completed 56 percent of his passes and threw for as many touchdowns (18) as interceptions.



Given Favre's career resurgence, it was widely assumed that he was leaning toward returning for the 2008 season.



He even said as much just before the Packers' Jan. 12 divisional playoff game against Seattle, telling his hometown newspaper that he wasn't approaching the game as if it would be his last and was more optimistic than in years past about returning.




Favre's favorite targets
The players who caught the most touchdown passes from Brett Favre during his career, headed by Antonio Freeman.

Name TD catches
Antonio Freeman 57
Sterling Sharpe 41
Donald Driver 36
Robert Brooks 32
Bubba Franks 29
Bill Schroeder 19
Javon Walker 19
Mark Chmura 16
Dorsey Levens 16
Greg Jennings 14
Ahman Green 14

"For the first time in three years, I haven't thought this could be my last game," Favre told the Biloxi [Miss.] Sun Herald. "I would like to continue longer."


The Falcons selected Favre out of Southern Miss with the 33rd pick of the 1991 NFL draft. He was then traded to Green Bay for the 17th overall pick in the 1992 draft and appeared in his first Packers game on Sept. 20 of that year, replacing injured starter Don Majkowski and leading Green Bay to a 24-23 come-from-behind victory over the Cincinnati Bengals. He was named the starter later in the season, a role he never relinquished.


By nature of his style of play -- he was willing to roll the dice on long throws and able to force passes into tight coverage thanks to a strong right arm -- Favre had a flair for the dramatic on the field. But his off-the-field life has been full of drama as well.



He nearly died in a car accident in Mississippi in 1990, before his senior season at Southern Mississippi. In May 1996, Favre acknowledged he had developed an addiction to the painkiller Vicodin and sought treatment. In 2004, his wife Deanna announced she was fighting breast cancer, for which she was successfully treated. That same year, his brother in law was killed in an ATV accident. And in 2005, Hurricane Katrina destroyed his boyhood home in Kiln, Miss., and damaged his current home in Hattiesburg.



Favre's off-field and on-field lives collided Dec. 21, 2003, when his father suffered a fatal heart attack in his home town of Kiln, Miss. The next night, Favre chose to play the Packers' scheduled "Monday Night Football" game against the Raiders and threw for 399 yards and four touchdowns in a 41-7 win
 
I am probably one of the biggest Packers/Favre fans on here. I didn't know what to think when i heard he retired. I am 23 years old, I have grown up with him and the team. I consider him one of my heroes, through all the issues he had off the field to getting injured and still coming back every week and playing at a high level is just amazing.


I consider Brett Favre one of the greatest if not the greatest of all time. He is an incredible Quarterback and an incredible person. To hear this news kind of shocked me, considering his team was much better then the 2 previous years. As I listened to him today at his press conference I understand why he did it. I knew he had nothing left to prove, but the game will never be the same without him. He was the last of his kind being kind of an old school quarterback, being a gunslinger and trying to force the ball, but it worked. Through all the adversity he came back each year, even ending this year with an interception in the NFC Championship game, he still went out on top.

We'll miss you Brett!!!
 
Not a big Packers fan, But have to give respect where it is due, He had spunk and could throw a fucking ball, It will never be the same without him.
 
I'm glad to see him go. All the talk about retirement for the last few years got on my nerves. Now we'll have to listen to speculation about a return.

But how do you REALLY feel, fiend? Oh wait... Brett played for Green Bay, not Dallas or else you'd be crying us all a fuckin' river. Ah well, that's a Cowgirls and T.O. supporter for you. 🙄

Seriously though, I have no love for GB but I had the utmost respect for Favre. Easily one of the best QBs EVER. Hell, I'd even go so far as to rank him above my beloved Terry Bradshaw (Well, slightly higher. Or maybe just appearing a little higher depending on your angle of view.) Plus, I loved how Favre didn't take shit from defensive lineman. Like the time he grabbed Warren Sapp by his facemask and started jaw-jacking with him. Classic Brett, without a doubt.

Regardless, time marches on and Brett must now go the way of many before him. No question though, he left his mark on the sport he loved and has earned the right to be mentioned with names like Bart Starr and Vince Lombardi. It'll be a looooong time before the Packers or the entire sport has another like Brett Favre.
 
Being a "Bear" fan, I am glad to see him go.

But I do respect him. Never forget the game he had on Monday night against the Raiders after his dad died. What a show!

I hope the other Bear fans on this site don't give me shit for expressing this sentiment.
 
A sad day in Pakers History...

Yes I know, it's a bit late of a reply, 😛 But I'm gonna miss him too... I'm a HUGE Packers fan, they're my favorite team. I was saddened by this news, but also understand as well. It'll be an interesting up coming year for the Pack this season, we'll see what happens.
 
Thank you.

Not a big Packers fan, But have to give respect where it is due, He had spunk and could throw a fucking ball, It will never be the same without him.

Thanks Crystal - it's always nice to have someon give the man credit even if they aren't a fan of him or the Packers.

I ran into a couple Cowboys fans when I was at the bar the night he retired and they were running their mouths about him.

Needless to say they were waiting for me outside, and before ya know it one had two missing teeth and the other one was running faster than any coward i had ever seen before in my life.

This is why I despise the Cowboys and their entire existence in professional sports.......

.....the Cowgirls on the other hand....wouldn't it be great to get a tickling session with a few of them!
 
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thank you as well

Being a "Bear" fan, I am glad to see him go.

But I do respect him. Never forget the game he had on Monday night against the Raiders after his dad died. What a show!

I hope the other Bear fans on this site don't give me shit for expressing this sentiment.

Very well put - thank you. That game was intense - I got a little choked up myself!
 
Thanks Crystal - it's always nice to have someon give the man credit even if they aren't a fan of him or the Packers.

I ran into a couple Cowboys fans when I was at the bar the night he retired and they were running their mouths about him.

Needless to say I was waiting for them both outside, and before ya know it one had two missing teeth and the other one was running faster than any coward i had ever seen before in my life.

This is why I despise the Cowboys and their entire existence in professional sports.......

.....the Cowgirls on the other hand....wouldn't it be great to get a tickling session with a few of them!

You despise America's Team because of their greatness. People have the right to say whatever they want, and it doesn't really matter if you agree with it. Bret's a HOFer but it was just time for him to go. Who wasn't tired of hearing the same fuckin' questions about Favre for the last four seasons? Now were still hearing this bullshit about if he'll come back. You mad because Green Bay got their asses handed to them by Big D last season. And of course Farve's donut at Texas Stadium probably didn't help. You'll witness the same thing when Dallas runs over GB next season.

You want to talk about a coward though? How about fighting someone over something as trivial as a football game? I guess since you can't win comparing Green Bay with America's Team that the next best thing to do is fight, right? Maybe if you picked on someone who was willing and ready to fight that it would've been a different story. I can't stand ignorant fans.
 
You despise America's Team because of their greatness. People have the right to say whatever they want, and it doesn't really matter if you agree with it. Bret's a HOFer but it was just time for him to go. Who wasn't tired of hearing the same fuckin' questions about Favre for the last four seasons? Now were still hearing this bullshit about if he'll come back. You mad because Green Bay got their asses handed to them by Big D last season. And of course Farve's donut at Texas Stadium probably didn't help. You'll witness the same thing when Dallas runs over GB next season.

You want to talk about a coward though? How about fighting someone over something as trivial as a football game? I guess since you can't win comparing Green Bay with America's Team that the next best thing to do is fight, right? Maybe if you picked on someone who was willing and ready to fight that it would've been a different story. I can't stand ignorant fans.

Wow. How did a thread to talk about Brett's retirement suddenly turn into violence and Dallas loving/hating?

First off, people who fist-fight over something as inane as football shittalking is pretty low class. I've been in more football arguements than I'd ever care to remember and not once did it ever come to blows. Sports is kinda like politics and religion: people are never going to 100% agree on anything. But to each their own.

Secondly, this isn't a Cowboys thread. Run your mouth about Dallas when the season starts. This thread has nothing to do with Dallas, no matter how much someone might wish it was.

Third, if Brett comes back out of retirement, so what? If he regrets the decision of retiring and wants to come back, let him. A few years ago, people would have loved to see Barry Sanders come out of retirement. Or seen Elway come back. If he does, then all his records are going to be that much harder to beat. Personally, I don't think he will. I think it's just media hype bullshit.

Anyway, I'm done speaking on the subject. Let's hope everyone can play nice in the future.
 
sorry...

Wow. How did a thread to talk about Brett's retirement suddenly turn into violence and Dallas loving/hating?

First off, people who fist-fight over something as inane as football shittalking is pretty low class. I've been in more football arguements than I'd ever care to remember and not once did it ever come to blows. Sports is kinda like politics and religion: people are never going to 100% agree on anything. But to each their own.

Secondly, this isn't a Cowboys thread. Run your mouth about Dallas when the season starts. This thread has nothing to do with Dallas, no matter how much someone might wish it was.

Third, if Brett comes back out of retirement, so what? If he regrets the decision of retiring and wants to come back, let him. A few years ago, people would have loved to see Barry Sanders come out of retirement. Or seen Elway come back. If he does, then all his records are going to be that much harder to beat. Personally, I don't think he will. I think it's just media hype bullshit.

Anyway, I'm done speaking on the subject. Let's hope everyone can play nice in the future.

Yeah, sorry - I didn't mean to turn this into a fight about the Cowboys, I was just blowing off steam cuz I was quite angry my little bar conversation turned into a 2-on-1 fight. And it was macho of me to brag how I won it. So I'm sorry.

So if you are a Cowboy fan, I apologize. But what I'm really sorry for is that I turned attention away from the original point of this thread - to honor one of the best quarterbacks to ever the play the game, number 4 on the field number 1 in your hearts, the man the myth the legend - Brett Favre.
 
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