Brock Lesnar?

[Deleted member 66627]

He was describing the significance of his first UFC win when he noted that his background is as an amateur wrestler and said he considers himself an amateur wrestler. He spoke disdainfully of his WWE stint as a time when he was a “professional entertainer.”

White heard where Lesnar was going and quickly interrupted with one of the most salient points of the postfight news conference.

I was a bit young when Brock was involved heavily with the WWE(F), was wondering why the lack of positivity towards the WWE?

And, why all the negativity towards the WWE from past wrestlers?

Don't they understand that if it weren't for Vinny Mac they wouldn't stand half the chance they have now making it away from the WWE?

 

[locker669]

He needs to separate himself from the WWE or he will be known as "Former WWE Champion Brock Lesner" every time he fights.

 

[Soda83pop]

Brock was legit before WWE; he didnt need them to get fame. He pretty much could have went anywhere after college...sort of like Kurt Angle.

 

[ikaiyoo]

Well it is not just that. Brock was in a big dispute with the WWE about money and because of his contract could not wrestle in the states so he went to Japan for a short time and there was a dispute about him commiting a breach of contract with the WWE.

Though wrestling would not be where it is if it werent for the WWE, actually wrestling wouldnt be where it is today if not for the monday night wars but that is something else all together, that doesnt mean all of their decisions and practices in the offices and dressing room are in the best interests of the wrestlers.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I think it just all stems from the fact that the WWE life wasn't for him. But he shouldn't hate them too much. Who was he before the WWE. He wouldn't be as hyped as he is/has been if it weren't for his WWE stint.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

I think it just all stems from the fact that the WWE life wasn't for him. But he shouldn't hate them too much. Who was he before the WWE. He wouldn't be as hyped as he is/has been if it weren't for his WWE stint.

I agree. Regardless of how much of a powerhouse he was and still is, he still wouldn't have gained as quick of a fanbase as the publicity from the WWE gave him.

 

[Strider]

I was a bit young when Brock was involved heavily with the WWE(F), was wondering why the lack of positivity towards the WWE?

And, why all the negativity towards the WWE from past wrestlers?

I know from the company's side, they felt like they invested a lot in him and he screwed them over by leaving abruptly to play football. There were also supposedly personality clashes with a lot of the locker room.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I know from the company's side, they felt like they invested a lot in him and he screwed them over by leaving abruptly to play football. There were also supposedly personality clashes with a lot of the locker room.

And it looked liked Lesnar was coming back in 2005 until he pulled out of the negotiations.

 

[Adam]

I know from the company's side, they felt like they invested a lot in him and he screwed them over by leaving abruptly to play football. There were also supposedly personality clashes with a lot of the locker room.

Yep. I remember reading all about how WWE was even ticked off that they allowed Brock to hold the mantle of youngest WWE Champion of all-time after he ducked out on them. Basically the reason they had Orton win the strap at a year younger than Brock. Orton's had some pretty well documented issues as well, but WWE was pretty confident he wouldn't abandon the company.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

There were also supposedly personality clashes with a lot of the locker room.

Yeah, that's going to happen regardless.

I just think it's bullshit that a lot of the Veterans seem to lose sight of the start the WWE gave them.

 

[Redmage]

I believe the bad blood between Lesnar and the WWE has a lot to do with how he left and what happened afterward.

Lesnar picked up and left abruptly, which torqued the WWE. They, in turn, saddled Lesnar with legal obstacles that sharply limited what he was able to do with his skills. So he made them mad, then they made him mad.

It's sort of like divorce. Few divorces are amicable, and both partners often end up villifying the other. The fact that it was the two of them together who built a family, or supported one another's careers, or various other good things, doesn't change the fact that they're mad at each other once it's over.

 

[Strider]

Yeah, that's going to happen regardless

True, but from what I remember, this was a lot more pronounced due to how fast he got pushed.

 

[Bizkit]

Lesnar antics after the fight prove that he still has that pro wrestler/entertainer attitude.Just when I was starting to respect the guy for doing what he is doing he does something totally classless.





I would like to see him get his face smashed in now but unfortunately the UFC doesn't have many credible heavyweights.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Lesnar antics after the fight prove that he still has that pro wrestler/entertainer attitude.Just when I was starting to respect the guy for doing what he is doing he does something totally classless.

I see what you're saying, however, this was his first fight. Just as a rookie in the WWE; he's going to have to learn a whole new etiquette to apply. He will learn.

He's a powerhouse and if he applies himself appropriately he could make potentially positive waves.

It's all up to him, though.

True, but from what I remember, this was a lot more pronounced due to how fast he got pushed.

How do you mean?

 

[Strider]

How do you mean?

He debuted immediately after WM 18, and he had the title by Summer Slam. Some of the vets took issue with his attitude and felt that he'd gotten too much of an ego, and it led to some shit. The major example was his match with Hardcore Holly where Holly got pissed off that Lesnar was trying to call the flow of the match and refused to assist when Lesnar gave him a powerbomb (which ended up leading to a botched spot and Holly breaking his neck). Part of it seems to have been that Lesnar really just didn't get the unwritten rules about how rookies are supposed to act. Eventually Undertaker (I think) stepped in to defuse things and said he'd personally try and instruct Lesnar in some of the backstage etiquette. Like I said, most of this is just stuff I remember from reading the smark sheets five years ago, so my memory may not exactly be perfect, there were definitely other incidents I cant recall at the moment.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I've never had a problem with Lesnar getting the title so soon. It was obvious that he wasn't just some rookie. You can't hold someone back for the sake of him being so young. Lesnar was a rare commodity.

 

[Bizkit]

I see what you're saying, however, this was his first fight. Just as a rookie in the WWE; he's going to have to learn a whole new etiquette to apply. He will learn.

It was his third fight but it was his first win in the UFC.This is what happened in his last fight...

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He does have potential to be a great fighter but how he's percieved is up to him.Hopefully he chooses to not act like a jerk off because he does make for an interesting match up for some guys.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Simply a case of it going to his head. There was a comment made that the other contenders are in deep shit if he does keep this up.

He might end up losing fans over his behavior, but he's a hella competitor.

 

[Redmage]

Lesnar antics after the fight prove that he still has that pro wrestler/entertainer attitude.Just when I was starting to respect the guy for doing what he is doing he does something totally classless.

I must be missing something. The MMA circuit has no shortage of showboats and egos. How is Lesnar's post-match celebration any different from what other fighters do?

 

[Deleted member 66627]

I must be missing something. The MMA circuit has no shortage of showboats and egos. How is Lesnar's post-match celebration any different from what other fighters do?

Not even just fighters. Competitors in a whole for the most part.

Although, (and I know one of you will definetly correct me if I'm wrong), didn't they stop the NFL players from doing that after a touchdown? Or at least to the degree that they used to?

A respect thing or some bullshit like that.

 

[Goodieluver]

Not even just fighters. Competitors in a whole for the most part.

Although, (and I know one of you will definetly correct me if I'm wrong), didn't they stop the NFL players from doing that after a touchdown? Or at least to the degree that they used to?

A respect thing or some bullshit like that.

Thats because the nfl is trying to promote "sportsmanship" and that kind of crap. The shit like "Oh, what a great player so and so is, he helps the guy up after he hits him"

Hell, in old days they'd hit you again to stay down

He's having fun and has the technical and the physical skill to be a giant, and he had all that before dealing with pro wrestling

Hell, look how quarry mocks this guy DURING a fight

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[Bizkit]

I must be missing something. The MMA circuit has no shortage of showboats and egos. How is Lesnar's post-match celebration any different from what other fighters do?

Most fighters don't laugh in the other guys face after the fight.To celebrate is one thing,but to blatantly disrespect someone after a tough loss is something else.Yes,pre-fight hype and exchanging words to build a match is great but when it's all said and done it should be about respect.

As far as the Quarry fight,Starnes put on a performance that got him thrown out of the UFC.That whole match was a spectacle.That's a little different then Herring fighting for 15 min, or at least attempting to.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Thats because the nfl is trying to promote "sportsmanship" and that kind of crap. The shit like "Oh, what a great player so and so is, he helps the guy up after he hits him"

Hell, in old days they'd hit you again to stay down

He's having fun and has the technical and the physical skill to be a giant, and he had all that before dealing with pro wrestling

Hell, look how quarry mocks this guy DURING a fight

I disagree. Lesner was being a clown. Sportmanship is about showing respect for your fellow athletes, and showing respect for yourself. Lesners actions show neither. Hopefully he will grow up soon.

As far as Querry, i deffinitly disagree with his actions. However, my brother got to see that fight live, and from the sounds of it, it was a complete sham of a fight. The other guy seemed, from what i heard, to be running away from Quarry the entire match. I got the impression he didn't even want to be thier. That being said, i still think it was the wrong thing to do.

 

[Raphael Sorel]

I must be missing something. The MMA circuit has no shortage of showboats and egos. How is Lesnar's post-match celebration any different from what other fighters do?

Fedor anyone ?

 

[Goodieluver]

Fedor anyone ?

Or hell, look at the Bullshit during the ortiz\shamrock camp fights