Browns hire Mangini

[Tickle Fiend]

From ESPN:
Source: Mangini agrees to 4-year dealComment Email Print ESPN.com news services

The Cleveland Browns will hire former New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini as their new head coach, a sources told ESPN.

Mangini has agreed to four-year deal, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

The 37-year-old Mangini began his NFL career in Cleveland. He started out as a Browns ball boy and was later a public relations intern. He has never forgotten his football roots. When the Jets played the Browns in recent seasons, Mangini bought a catered lunch of Italian food for Cleveland reporters.

Mangini was dismissed after the Jets collapsed by losing four of their final five games.

Mangini has ties to the Cleveland area. He is the brother-in-law of Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro.

Mangini's hiring could also lead to former head coach Romeo Crennel staying with the Browns, perhaps as their defensive coordinator. Crennel told owner Randy Lerner he was open to staying, depending on who was brought in to replace him. Crennel and Mangini worked as defensive assistants on Bill Belichick's staff in New England from 2001-2004.

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[punkrockergirl]

good move he is a good coach and has previous ties with the browns.. he didnt deserve to be fired from the jets

 

[makeUsquirm]

I think this is good news. I agree that the Jets should have never cut him loose, but I'm glad the Browns picked him up.

 

[jppower]

Good hire. Crennel had named Quinn the starter next season...curious to see if Mangini is going to make it an open competition in training camp.

 

[studm883]

Couldn't disagree more...

How do you figure Mangini didn't deserve to be canned in New York? The ownership group sent more than $140 million in the off-season, had a losing record in his time there, couldn't win a big game, and couldn't get a team with 6 Pro Bowlers (7 but Favre making it was a joke) to the post-season. How many Pro Bowlers does he need to make the play-offs? 9? 14? A full roster? What would you have done if you were Woody Johnson?

People want to blame Favre, but who took the reigns off Favre? If Bill Belichick let Cassel run wild, the Pats season would have turned out much differently. The coach needs to design a system for the offense and QB to succeed, Mangini didn't do that, and a good coach can't allow his team to lose 4 of 5 down the stretch including two games to below average teams and go from the drivers' seat of the division to two games out of the play-offs.

 

[punkrockergirl]

and he won 5 more games than they did last season with a qb that didnt show up until 2 weeks before the season started

 

[studm883]

and he won 5 more games than they did last season with a qb that didnt show up until 2 weeks before the season started

Well, if you want to play that game...he won 6 fewer games last year than he did the year before with Chad Pennington.

And everyone points to Favre...what about Alan Faneca, Calvin Pace, Damien Woody, Bubba Franks...all inked before '08. Not to mention already having a pro-bowl offensive lineman, the second best shutdown corner in the AFC, and one of the top run stoppers in the league.

The first thing I look at when a coach is fired is "how good was the roster he had to work with?" And there is a hell of a lot of talent on that roster. Man for man, they had a much more talented team than the Patriots (I'm talking about the Patriots on the field, not including a few rather important injuries). I would have been pissed if I'm Johnson and/or Tannenbaum and I'd have canned him too.

 

[punkrockergirl]

ok but do you know how long it takes someone to learn an entire playbook and to get the players on the same page.. they probaly werent running on all cylinders until week 8 and i dont think there is a lot of talent on the team.. i think its a lot of veterans that are passed their time or only had 1 good year and then got paid

 

[studm883]

ok but do you know how long it takes someone to learn an entire playbook and to get the players on the same page.. they probaly werent running on all cylinders until week 8 and i dont think there is a lot of talent on the team.. i think its a lot of veterans that are passed their time or only had 1 good year and then got paid

They are unarguably a more talented team than the Patriots had on the field this year and finished two games short of them. And if you go by the week 8 theory...they were 4-3 up to week 8 and 5-4 after. Losses in the 1st half of the season were to a largely healthy Patriots team (in a game where Mangini was out-coached handily), and a good Chargers team...back half of the year where everything was supposedly in sync, you've got losses to a Broncos team in a tailspin, a 4 win 49er team, 3 win Seahawks team.

Also, Favre was markedly better in the 1st half of the season relative to the stretch run, Mangini took the reigns off him down the stretch and the ugly side of Brett Favre reared it's head. I just put most of the blame on the coaching. To say the roster isn't talented? They had 6 legit Pro Bowlers, the most in the NFL and a franchise record...plus Favre getting there for...well...who knows what reason...I all that having some talent. This was arguably one of the most talented Jets teams we've seen in two decades...

 

[punkrockergirl]

They are unarguably a more talented team than the Patriots had on the field this year and finished two games short of them. And if you go by the week 8 theory...they were 4-3 up to week 8 and 5-4 after. Losses in the 1st half of the season were to a largely healthy Patriots team (in a game where Mangini was out-coached handily), and a good Chargers team...back half of the year where everything was supposedly in sync, you've got losses to a Broncos team in a tailspin, a 4 win 49er team, 3 win Seahawks team.

Also, Favre was markedly better in the 1st half of the season relative to the stretch run, Mangini took the reigns off him down the stretch and the ugly side of Brett Favre reared it's head. I just put most of the blame on the coaching. To say the roster isn't talented? They had 6 legit Pro Bowlers, the most in the NFL and a franchise record...plus Favre getting there for...well...who knows what reason...I all that having some talent. This was arguably one of the most talented Jets teams we've seen in two decades...

no they arent who do they have.. favre is washed up .. thomas jones has had 2 good seasons.. calvin pace had one. faneca is nearing the end of his career.. coles has never been a defnite number one.. cotchery isnt that great... bubba franks is old and obviously tired.. give me moss..cassel..vrabel..matt light..welker..wolfork etc etc

 

[studm883]

no they arent who do they have.. favre is washed up .. thomas jones has had 2 good seasons.. calvin pace had one. faneca is nearing the end of his career.. coles has never been a defnite number one.. cotchery isnt that great... bubba franks is old and obviously tired.. give me moss..cassel..vrabel..matt light..welker..wolfork etc etc

As someone who's seen every Patriots game the last 15 years, I just don't agree. Vrabel had one of the worst seasons I've seen a linebacker have...Thomas Jones has had 2 good seasons...but this was one of them! Matt Light had a great year last year and was medicore this season...hence Cassel ending up on his back more than a hooker who daylights as an auto mechanic. And personally, I think Cassel is a product of the system and inherently flawed quarterback (which isn't really a knock, aside from Manning and Brady, pretty much every QB in the league is flawed in some way, it's a tough freaking position)

Brady, Bruschi, Harrison, the entire backfield, Seymore, Wilfork, Thomas and Warren were all hurt for the season or some portion of it. Give me that group, and I love this Patriots team, clearly. But you swap out Belichick for Mangini and the division isn't close this season...the Jets win it. Case in point, Belichick got his team to play it's best the last month of the season and get in position to make the play-offs...all Mangini had to do was not screw it up...and...well...he screwed it up.

 

[jay t]

true mangini is a smart guy favre stared a lot of the problems with the jets witch is fine with me hate the jets giants all the way

 

[Cy/MiG]

I agree that Mangenius is a decent coach...

But Cromeo???

Come on Cleveland!!! Cut the 'velvet teddy bear' loose!

Cleveland has Quinn, Winslow #2 and Butterfingers Edwards, but need a new RB and some D.

Keeping Cromeo isn't going to help their terrible D one bit.

Or erase the horrendous Derek Andersen Signing.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

How do you figure Mangini didn't deserve to be canned in New York? The ownership group sent more than $140 million in the off-season, had a losing record in his time there, couldn't win a big game, and couldn't get a team with 6 Pro Bowlers (7 but Favre making it was a joke) to the post-season. How many Pro Bowlers does he need to make the play-offs? 9? 14? A full roster? What would you have done if you were Woody Johnson?

People want to blame Favre, but who took the reigns off Favre? If Bill Belichick let Cassel run wild, the Pats season would have turned out much differently. The coach needs to design a system for the offense and QB to succeed, Mangini didn't do that, and a good coach can't allow his team to lose 4 of 5 down the stretch including two games to below average teams and go from the drivers' seat of the division to two games out of the play-offs.

Mangini is NOT to blame. I am a Jets fan since 1972 and I will tell you that Mangini DIDN'T even want Favre. Fact is, the Jets STILL want Favre which is why Mangini got fired. You say that a good coach doesn't allow his team to lose four out of five down the stretch, did Mangini throw those intereceptions down the stretch??? NO!!! Besides the Rams and Cardinals where Favre threw 9 TD's and 1 INT, Favre in the other 14 games threw 13 TD's and 21 Picks. That to me doesn't sound like Mangini's fault. Also Shanahan is a good coach was in the drivers seat of their division and they also blew the division. And he IS a good coach. So don't say good coaches don't let that happen because it does happen.

If I were Woody Johnson, I would have canned Tannanbaum for bring Favre in. But let's remember the ONLY two reasons the Jets brought Favre in here was NOT to win first. It was because the Jets had to make a BIG splash after the Giants won the Super Bowl and to sell their PSL for their new stadium. Winning??? That was on the backburner. Fact is, the Jets STILL want Favre back. Yet they don't know if he is coming back. Jets no coach and no QB, no problem apparently. Mangini who EVERYBODY though wouldn't get another job has a job before the Jets even have a QB. It's really quite sad being a New York Jets fan.

Good Luck to Eric Mangini. May he take the Browns to a Super Bowl someday.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Well, if you want to play that game...he won 6 fewer games last year than he did the year before with Chad Pennington.

And everyone points to Favre...what about Alan Faneca, Calvin Pace, Damien Woody, Bubba Franks...all inked before '08. Not to mention already having a pro-bowl offensive lineman, the second best shutdown corner in the AFC, and one of the top run stoppers in the league.

The first thing I look at when a coach is fired is "how good was the roster he had to work with?" And there is a hell of a lot of talent on that roster. Man for man, they had a much more talented team than the Patriots (I'm talking about the Patriots on the field, not including a few rather important injuries). I would have been pissed if I'm Johnson and/or Tannenbaum and I'd have canned him too.

Bubba Franks was a WASTE of time as was Woody. Those names were hardly ever called throughout the season. Fact is you MUST blame the QB. He is the ONLY guy on the team that touchs the ball almost every single snap. It is the QB that makes the good or bad decisions on the field. Would you say that Chad had a better season than Brett. You probably wouldn't but he did. You and Natural need to stop drinking the Brett favre Kool-Aid.

I didn't like when they got him as half the forum called me up to Congratulate me for the Jets getting Brett Favre. They all told me that the Jets were going to the playoffs. Well they didn't call me when the Jets got Faneca, or Pace or Woody but they did call after the Jets got Favre. Why do you think that is??? You don't call after all the moves they made prior so they thought that Favre WAS the difference. And he was. The Jets lost BECAUSE of Favre. I too have watched every Jets game for the last 36 years.

By the way, Mangini NEVER took the reigns off of Favre. Favre does what Favre wants to do. That was again an organizational decision. If you are a Patriots fan, that is fine. But don't tell me it is Mangini's fault because you are obviously watching your team play and NOT my team. Are you still annoyed that the Jets LOST to Miami??? Blame Brett and the pick 6 that he threw that reminded Jets fans of the " Mud Bowl " and AJ Duhe.

 

[studm883]

Also Shanahan is a good coach was in the drivers seat of their division and they also blew the division. And he IS a good coach. So don't say good coaches don't let that happen because it does happen.

And what happened to Mr. Shanahan? 7 Pro Bowlers...2 games back of an injury riddled Patriots team and 2 with a game in hand to a Dolphins team with a rookie head coach that was 1-15 last season...Mangini was overrated in New England, HUGELY overrated in New York, and he will not win in Cleveland.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

And what happened to Mr. Shanahan? 7 Pro Bowlers...2 games back of an injury riddled Patriots team and 2 with a game in hand to a Dolphins team with a rookie head coach that was 1-15 last season...Mangini was overrated in New England, HUGELY overrated in New York, and he will not win in Cleveland.

But you said that any good coach DOESN'T let that happen. Can you deny that??? Shanahan is a good coach. Won a couple of Super Bowls. So that being said, it does happen. Mangini might be overrated. That has yet to be determined. Three seasons obviously will NOT make his career. Let's also remember, after Belicheck got through with his time in Cleveland they probably thought he was overrated too!!! Only difference is Mangini was able to get another Head Coaching gig faster that Belicheck did.

 

[fantastic8]

HA Cleveland still sucks.

 

[punkrockergirl]

HA Cleveland still sucks.

couldnt agree more.. nothing good comes from ohio

 

[studm883]

But you said that any good coach DOESN'T let that happen. Can you deny that??? Shanahan is a good coach. Won a couple of Super Bowls. So that being said, it does happen. Mangini might be overrated. That has yet to be determined. Three seasons obviously will NOT make his career. Let's also remember, after Belicheck got through with his time in Cleveland they probably thought he was overrated too!!! Only difference is Mangini was able to get another Head Coaching gig faster that Belicheck did.

Your getting a little fired up there, I like it. For the record, I watched all the Jets games but two. And the names I mentioned as free agent signings included a pro bowl lineman and the team's second leading tackler, so I wouldn't say their names were never called.

Belichick's time in Cleveland is an awful analogy, the team was on it's way out of town and the owner and fan base had packed it in...impossibly situation...their GM at the time has said so numerous times in interviews since then, including on Tirico's show about 2 months ago.

Ian Eagle went on the radio in Boston twice this fall and called this the most talented Jets team he has seen in his lifetime (and he's a lifelong Jets fan) and they couldn't make the play-offs. I'm not taking all the heat of Favre...but to say Mangini wasn't to blame is just flat out incorrect in my opinion...

 

[Cy/MiG]

couldnt agree more.. nothing good comes from ohio

Good one.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

couldnt agree more.. nothing good comes from ohio

Sadira who is co-host to the Michigan Gatherings graduated from Ohio State.

Also, you mean to tell me that NONE of the Steelers players are from OHIO???

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Your getting a little fired up there, I like it. For the record, I watched all the Jets games but two. And the names I mentioned as free agent signings included a pro bowl lineman and the team's second leading tackler, so I wouldn't say their names were never called.

Belichick's time in Cleveland is an awful analogy, the team was on it's way out of town and the owner and fan base had packed it in...impossibly situation...their GM at the time has said so numerous times in interviews since then, including on Tirico's show about 2 months ago.

Ian Eagle went on the radio in Boston twice this fall and called this the most talented Jets team he has seen in his lifetime (and he's a lifelong Jets fan) and they couldn't make the play-offs. I'm not taking all the heat of Favre...but to say Mangini wasn't to blame is just flat out incorrect in my opinion...

I am not concerned about the situation in Cleveland when Belicheck was there. He did not do well there. Period!!! Don't care what Tirico said on his show two months ago ot two minutes ago. Bottom line is Belicheck was not that good. That being said, Belicheck is a GREAT coach. But if you based him on what he did in Cleveland though, people had a good arguement that he was overrated. Give every player and coach time before tagging tham as overrated. Let them finish their career before you call them overrated.

Bottomline, I said when the season started that the Jets were an 8-8 team. So if I thought the team was an 8-8 team when the season started then exactly how great was the talent on this team if I thought it was 8-8. I also know that Ian Eagle is a Jets fan. But Ian looks at the Jets through rose colored glasses. Something I stopped doing 15 years ago.

 

[studm883]

I am not concerned about the situation in Cleveland when Belicheck was there. He did not do well there. Period!!! Don't care what Tirico said on his show two months ago ot two minutes ago. Bottom line is Belicheck was not that good. That being said, Belicheck is a GREAT coach. But if you based him on what he did in Cleveland though, people had a good arguement that he was overrated. Give every player and coach time before tagging tham as overrated. Let them finish their career before you call them overrated.

Bottomline, I said when the season started that the Jets were an 8-8 team. So if I thought the team was an 8-8 team when the season started then exactly how great was the talent on this team if I thought it was 8-8. I also know that Ian Eagle is a Jets fan. But Ian looks at the Jets through rose colored glasses. Something I stopped doing 15 years ago.

Tirico didn't say it, the GM of the Browns at the time said it...I'd say he had a better handle on the nature of the situation than you did. Also don't put much stock in your prediction for the record of a team dictating how much talent they have...unless you have some NFL scouting experience I am unaware of? I'll take the views of the guys who have worked in the NFL or covered it for 20+years, but thanks anyways...agree to disagree, but Cleveland will not be a winner under Mangini in my opinion.

 

[Cy/MiG]

Tirico didn't say it, the GM of the Browns at the time said it...I'd say he had a better handle on the nature of the situation than you did. Also don't put much stock in your prediction for the record of a team dictating how much talent they have...unless you have some NFL scouting experience I am unaware of? I'll take the views of the guys who have worked in the NFL or covered it for 20+years, but thanks anyways...agree to disagree, but Cleveland will not be a winner under Mangini in my opinion.

Even if that will be the case, it'll be the D's fault, not Mangenius'.

He'll keep them competitive and give them a better chance than Cromeo.