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Can a person be too logical?

Capnmad

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Can a person be too logical? When and how? I often find myself thinking in ways I think others have a hard time understanding or really relating to -- very analytical, very logical.

When is there too much thinking, too much logic?
 
I've been told that I'm "too logical" at times. Usually what the person means is that I'm not paying enough attention to the ways in which people work, rather than the ways in which logic works.

I call this "geek syndrome." I like the description from the Geek Handbook: "When your geek responds this way, he's really not trying to be irritating. He's actually trying to debug you."

Just remember that humans have a lot of buggy code, and many of them like it that way. 😉
 
This is why i could never hang with those pointed headed intelectual types. they tend to over analyze every damn thing. not to mention most of them lack simple common sense. they are bores to me.
 
I'm more abstract than logical. Honestly, things involving science, math and any sort of rigid thinking bore me to tears. But finding personal meaning and unravelling symbolisim in literature and avant-garde films is very enjoyable to me.

In short, I follow Picasso's brushstrokes, rather than a "paint by the numbers" approach to life.
 
Capnmad said:
Can a person be too logical? When and how? I often find myself thinking in ways I think others have a hard time understanding or really relating to -- very analytical, very logical.

When is there too much thinking, too much logic?

No, there is not such thing as too much logic, but you must not believe that logic make your thinking free of mistakes and/or errors. If you start from a false premise and/or incomplete information, no matter how implecable your logic may be your will produce false conclusions.
 
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Only if not balanced, as others have implied above, with "common sense," intuition, empathy, compassion, etc.,
and it seems you're not lacking there so the problem may very well lie with those who "have a hard time relating" in those other arenas generally,
as those others may be lacking in some of the above traits.

Over-analysis can drive anyone mad, with thoughts feeding upon themselves (hence the circular symbol for lunacy....? :Hyrdrogen ) though that might not be what you were referring to...

But if you've noticed and are asking these questions, of yourself as well, chances are the difficulty isn't yours.
Either that, or people do in fact understand and relate, but don't express their understanding clearly enough in return :bump:
 
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i suppose they can..however i'm never too logical..

isn't logic equated with common sense?
 
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Only if not balanced, as others have implied above, with "common sense," intuition, empathy, compassion, etc.,
and it seems you're not lacking there so the problem may very well lie with those who "have a hard time relating" in those other arenas generally,
as those others may be lacking in some of the above traits.

Over-analysis can drive anyone mad, with thoughts feeding upon themselves (hence the circular symbol for lunacy....? :Hyrdrogen ) though that might not be what you were referring to...

But if you've noticed and are asking these questions, of yourself as well, chances are the difficulty isn't yours.


thank you Babbles, id been waiting for Mr. Spock to make an appearance in this thread! 🙂
 
i was just gonna a pic of Tuvok up, and say ask Mr. Vulcan, but well... Mr. Spock would do for that...lol
 
Hey Blue,
You're very welcome, someone had to alert him 🙄
(Venray's portrait was probably better...)
and Mike I'm sure there can't be enough Vulcans in any thread :bump:

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O capn my Capn...

...this thread is just too iresistable to bypass.....(..tickles sits back, place feet up on table (bare of course.)..and cracks her knuckles....mmmmmmmmmmm......Capn, my first thought when I read this post was....your logic seems perfectly logical to me...then it occured to me that a persons sense of their own logic is subjective....and a persons inteprtation of another sense of logical reasoning is also subjective....sometimes I don't "agree" woth someone elses reasoning....but they are convinced of their own reasonning skills.....so...am...I right.....well, by myown sense of logic and reasoning I am.....SOOOO...what I'm trying to say is..If a tree falls in the forrest....but there is no one there to see it or hear it...did a tree fall in the forrest?

OXOX tickles...
 
....by the way...I did NOT type this thread with my toes....I'm just sleepy..... :woot:
 
There is a point of "over-annalyzing" things, but too logical? I doubt that because as Gene Rodenberry pointed out. Logic is the absense of emotion. So the fact you are questioning it causes you to display an emotion of uncertainty... :happyfloa
 
tickles said:
...this thread is just too iresistable to bypass.....(..tickles sits back, place feet up on table (bare of course.)..and cracks her knuckles....mmmmmmmmmmm......Capn, my first thought when I read this post was....your logic seems perfectly logical to me...then it occured to me that a persons sense of their own logic is subjective....and a persons inteprtation of another sense of logical reasoning is also subjective....sometimes I don't "agree" woth someone elses reasoning....but they are convinced of their own reasonning skills.....so...am...I right.....well, by myown sense of logic and reasoning I am.....SOOOO...what I'm trying to say is..If a tree falls in the forrest....but there is no one there to see it or hear it...did a tree fall in the forrest?

OXOX tickles...

Funny that saying about " If a tree falls in the forests....but there is no one there to see it or hear it...did a tree fall in the forests? Back in my old days in high school that was in the philosophy class. Together with the other one : “If two rocks are one meter one from each other, but there is no one to measure it, are they really one meter from each other?
And people fighting about the three does not need anybody to fall, so it has fallen, but the meter does not exist if there is no humanity, so the rocks are just near to each other. And so on , and on and on… like the bunny Duracell battery.
 
Gene Rodenberry - ''Logic is the absense of emotion.''
Interesting ... I never heard this before but I suppose it makes sense .
If logic is the absence of emotion , then it places logic and emotion on opposite plates of a balance scale .
If you consider this metaphor and that some of the most horrible events in human history had plenty of logic behind them (and very little compassion) ... Then I suppose it is possible to be too logical .
 
Ticklerguy4u said:
There is a point of "over-annalyzing" things, but too logical? I doubt that because as Gene Rodenberry pointed out. Logic is the absense of emotion. So the fact you are questioning it causes you to display an emotion of uncertainty...
Emotion of uncertainty ? 😕 Since when is uncertainty a human emotion ?
Uncertainty is ... doubt , the condition of being uncertain or without conviction . To lack knowledge on something .
 
zerit2002 said:
Emotion of uncertainty ? 😕 Since when is uncertainty a human emotion ?
Uncertainty is ... doubt , the condition of being uncertain or without conviction . To lack knowledge on something .

True. There is no emotion of uncertainty. I was merely summing up the effect without actually getting into the psychology of it.

Logic is the absense of emotion.."The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." is what Spock said in The Wrath of Khan I believe. Which meant. Sacrificing himself (the one) was nothing compared to the rest of the people on the starship (the many). One died instead of One Million.

Emotion (or love) on the other hand would dictate illogically that a person need not die. We would want to save those we care about before those we don't.
 
If it's your prediliction to be logical, and you feel it is the best way for you to be, the problem is completely other peoples' and there's no need for you to own it. It sounds that way from wot u rit :Hyrdrogen

People can definetly be too logical for their own good though. You can often see this simply in that they're clearly not very "free" in themselves, can't let go and "feel" and when it comes down to it, show complete stupidity in understanding more fluid (usually more important) aspects of the world like love, women, the spirit.

And also, most emotions are caused by the mind when you think about it. Even what alot of people experience as "love" is actually just complete relief from shite that's deeply embedded in the the mind. 😉
 
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i think its possible to think too much, because thought is limited..sometimes you've got to let go of intellectualizing things..if its your nature to think alot then do it..but if you feel your missing out on something cuz your "thinking too much" your probably right..and should act before you think..instead of the other way around..
 
Capnmad said:
Can a person be too logical? When and how? I often find myself thinking in ways I think others have a hard time understanding or really relating to -- very analytical, very logical.

When is there too much thinking, too much logic?

I've got to say this:

Fascinating, Captain!

Sorry, too good to resist.
I should reply to your threads more; you always make good points.

Let me cut and paste from a post I made to a friend's lj that posed this very same topic:

Begin my post:

Some arguments against logic:
Shifting views ever so slightly results in an entirely different logical chain, a butterfly effect that leads to different conclusions.
Emotions, however, exist as sort of a grounding to keep things at a safely micro level.

An example of 'pure' logic with no emotion:

1a) One should not care about the needs or wants of others. That, after all, is what said others are for: to watch out for themselves. We reduce our own pleasure for no good reason. As long as we have the strength, the dominance, we can maximize our own pleasure. From our own frame of reference, our own pleasure is the only tangible. Take what you want and safeguard yourself. It is logical.

Counter example:
1b) One should act only in propogation of one's larger community--be it family, society, or even species. Individual needs are illogical and should be subsumed to the needs of the group. Notice that depending on one's perspective, you could argue that the family/clan, society, or species is the most logical group toward which to concnentrate effort.
These two are both logical yet emotionally flawed. Humans instinctively udnerstand 'give some to get some' and use it, tending by nature against both bully and martyr.

Now, consider suicide.
2a) Suicide is never a rational idea. Things can always get better. Whatever temporary problems exist, they are temporary and will fade. Thus, it is never a reasonable solution to commit suicide.
2b) Suicide is a much better alternative than life. Depending on your requirements for quality of life, you won't be getting them as you age. Kill yourself when you turn 65 or so--you'll have a a few years to enjoy retirement, then snuff it before your health rapidly deteriorates in your 60's and onwards. Actually, why work? Really, we should commit suicide in our early twenties, a few weeks after graduating college. up to college, you're around friends, family, and have time off. Once you graduate, you're stuck in the grind of work, with bills to pay, the potential to get fired, and in general not having much fun. It's much more logical to find a means of suicide that you aren't afraid of, and go out while on top. Better that than a slow death over 60 years as your good moments get less and less frequent.
Fuggit--smother ourselves in our crib. Life goes downhill once you have to do household chores.

Again, our emotions are hardwired into us to prevent us from falling prey to hanging ourselves in our own logic chains.

End my post:

Let me make one other point as well.
You can get too logical when you hold logic as your only influencer. Or, to put it another way: When you act in accordance with what should be, not what is.
Take tickling for example. Logically, tickling shouldn't turn us on. Only the erogenous zones should. Therefore, this desire is statistically maladaptive.
The above is perfectly logical. But it ignores the fact that we just plain like it, DESPITE the fact that there is no good reason for us to do so.
So, whenever our logic has us focus on the abstract instead of the actual, we are effectively logicking ourself into illogic 😀.
 
Sometimes when I talk with people , a middle ground helps me . Not to little as to not get the point across , or to much to where they lose me and lose interest. We all have to be are our selves , logic included ...........
 
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