Can we do better?

[mabus]

I got to thinking about the last posts in the SCAM ALERT Thread (http://www.ticklingforum.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1413519)

Bandito brings it back to tickling, or lack thereof in that thread, and sometimes I think we do get stuck in the threads of the moment, or whatever, and can't move ahead. They'd rather spend time fighting over some petty ass shit than move forward and get something accomplished, assuming we are the 50,000 whatever members we are.

Let's look at video clips, the big draw for a lot of people here. I mean, really, people may find the posts interesting, or amusing, but no one here is just waiting on the edge of their seat, or heart racing as they log on, to see what...Jaba, or Bandito, ..or ME or anyone else wrote...they want to see new tickling material! (and no offense to you two guys, or anyone else, or myself! but come on...who really cares what I think about the state of the Mideast?) Those are the most visited parts. And yet, with all the people here, it is the same old, same old....

Now, we do have many new companies, and many are really good.

But folks, time moves forward! Technology and skills improve! (I guess...)
Some of these videos still look like they are shot on VHS camcorders.
3 CCD camcorders are now well under $1,000. HiDef camcorders are at $1,000. Yet, very few companies use them, Czech ticklish girls, Vivianna may, TickleCentral may.... The scenes and scenarios are always the same. The outfits are all the same.

The Laughing Gas Zone is the lone exception, and the other companies OCCASIONALLY try something new. But why not more variety, more often?

I just wonder, I guess, do you producers listen, or do you not and we should just give up?

There's kind of a disconnect, where the guys say, "Oh yeah, that's a great idea...." when someone requests anything of a producer...and then they just go do the same old thing. The exact same sets, the same everything.

I've written literally pages of stuff on how to make beter vids. More costumes.....no, wait a minute...ANY costumes! Pantyhose. Socks. New sets. Whatever, something different. Pick a company on Clips4sale, and just scroll down, and all the pictures look alike. Everyone here WANTS something different, yet, we don't get it. How many people here scream for more pantyhose tickling, and yet all we ever get is barefoot? Or, it's some thrown on, thick ass hose that look so unnatural it's ridiculous. I posted a thread in the non-tickling image forum showing different ladies wearing pantyhose, and I told them I would explain more later - well, this is it: Why not have girls, in an actual outfit, being tickled? I just purchased the video clip from Vivianna's vault where she is on the chair, with her feet up to the camera, being tickled. Nice quality. Great laugh.
But I so wish it would have been...more. Like, same END pose, but she actually walks in the room, in, say, a white blouse, black skirt, flesh colored pantyhose, and black high heels, with a business briefcase. She lets herself be tied up and when the girl asks her if she is ready for some tickling, she says "God, yes...." and her heels are removed and she is tickled. That would be really nice, different, and exciting. No great feats of acting involved.

Why aren't more companies offering better quality? Some of these guys are still offering 320 by 240 RM formated clips that are like 14 MB...as the main clip! Not for dial up. AND, they charge over $10 for them! What does anyone feel about that! Hell, TickleCentral's standard size is over 150 MB, and many are over 200 MB. Full screen, very clear. Czech Ticklish Girls is also a winner, at over 100 MB, and they use a HIDef Camcorder, and usually charge UNDER $10.

Why don't more of us request other websites produce tickling content? I e-mailed requests to Jennifer Sinn, Leggy Pauline, and many others way back when. Those two actually produced pantyhose tickling sets. If more people would mail sites not affialiated with the forum, we'd have more stuff out there. But if only one or two guys asks, they won't even bother. Don't we have tens of thousands of members, who have e-mail addresses? We can start a thread to get everybody on the same page, and people can help us brach out, to places like FeetWeek, LeggyPauline, Christina Model, Danni's HardDrive, etc.

What do you guys think, have we lost track, or are things getting better? Anyone have any other suggestions?

 

[StevePerry4Ever]

True Dat!!

First off, Mabus, you are amazing. You are absolutley right. It seems the tickling industry found a niche that a lot of people like and just stuck with it. Problem is, that niche is getting old. Girls in bikinis and/or naked being tickled seems to be the norm. I remember how happy i was to see that Frenchtickling's model Veronique was doing costumes and scenarios on here site but they stopped after a year and went back to the same old stuff. Tickling Paradise used to have tons of unique tickle scenes and now they tickle the same girls over and over in the same devices. And they stopped making movies and giving out previews. Previews, I believe are an important part of sale. Just as free samples of food at a grocery store. People want to know what they are getting before they spend money money on it. Now Frenchtickling does an amazing job with their previews, they are up to and sometimes over two minutes, and they dipict all the types of tickling in the scene. On the other hand their are producers giving out like, 15 seconds of preview. How can anyone tell how the clip is going to be on 15 seconds. That like offering a a smell without a taste. Previews need to be longer and need to acturatly portray the scene. I' ve watched really good 20 second previews only to find that out of the 10 minute clip, the preview showed the on 20 seconds the girl seemed to be laughing. I hope you don't take this as an attack, but rather as input. I believe Mabus has introuced a very good point.

 

[Bugman]

I'm speculating here but i would think there are only so many women who will do tickling videos.And how many,out of that limited pool are really ticklish?All your points are valid however.Speaking for myself i dont need costumes,elaborate props etc.Just give me really ticklish women being tickled by someone who knows how,and i'm happy. 😀 For those who do want something different,i hope at least some producers will listen.

 

[laughinggaszone]

I think the problem is that trying new things can cost companies profits. I don't mean that it requires them to spend more money. No, it requires them to stray from a guaranteed profitable scenario to an untested scenario. A lot of companies don't see any point in doing that. I can understand that. For a lot of companies, this is how they make a living. Trying new things and taking risks is not something easily embraced. LGZ is currently the only tickling company that produces mostly story driven tickling vids. We don't really have an competitors, so we can afford to take that direction. I honestly don't think that the majority of tickling folks are that interested in porno's with plot. Most folks like your standard straight up tickle. However, there is room for more interesting angles and techniques. Personally, I think that tickleabuse has created a nice little niche with their "contests." It's a nice signature piece.
webmaster joe

 

[laughinggaszone]

I'm speculating here but i would think there are only so many women who will do tickling videos.And how many,out of that limited pool are really ticklish?

You'd be surprised. You wave cash in a model's face and she'll do damn near anything. How much cash? I've dealt with models (both well known and unknown) who have supermodel-esque ideas about themselves. I actually spoke to one who said that she doesn't work for less than $1000 a day. I know two companies that hired her. One doesn't use her anymore and the other is no longer in business (wonder why). However, you are right on the ticklish part. Sensativity is from one end of the spectrum to the other. Most being in the middle and some being on either end of the extremes. Although I do know that you can MAKE a person ticklish who is not generally so. It's a matter of stimulating the flesh through means that increase overall sensativity. One commonly known method is a full exfoliation pedicure of the sole. Most people find their soles extremely sensative for several days after this.
webmaster joe

 

[jaba]

You know, I gotta believe that a whole lot of the tickle business, like other businesses, are market and consumer driven.......the producer makes the most of what sells......they may dabble on occasion with other trends, but in the end I would imagine what sells the most is what is made the most......

If you walk outside, and all the kids are wearing baggie pants and trucker hats, guess what you're going to see in your local department store? There may be other items selling, but the store that stocks and tries to sell wool pants and button down sweaters to urban kids, and abandons the denimn, may be doing so at their own financial peril.....very few are willing to abandon a profit making format.

You know what? Ill admit, me and guys of my ilk are probably be part of the..... "problem"?

My main requirement is that the lady be ticklish, and have a great laugh....and since I can't hear the laugh from tickle companies that don't make sample clips, I don't buy from them. No biggie, another company often comes along that will offer sample tickle clips with ticklish ladies....my tickle media budget is not unlimited, so I just stick with the companies that appeal to me.

But she can be naked, or wearing a clown suit, if her laugh gets to me, I'm buying the clip.....and quite frankly, the film quality, as long as its not horrific, would not dissuade me from buying a clip featuring a great ticklish lee....some of the best tickle clips I have ever seen were amateur home movies made with an ordinary family camcorder....and the ticklishness of these "lady next door" types often blow the "tickle movie model ladies off the screen....

And lastly, regarding posts....that's just the way that that the consumer can compliment or critique the product....sometimes I don't even click on the clip, based on the content of the posts following the sample clip.....conversely, if everyone is raving about a certain clip, I will take a peek, if only for curiosity's sake.....

I usually post to thank a producer for providing sample clips to us, ..... the overwhelming majority of the tickle media producers don't provide sample clips, so I throw a little "props" to the ones around here who do provide for us....

 

[HisFlyinFingers]

My only qualm about a lot of video producers is that they tend to work in long streaks. They'll get a new piece of equipment or a new position, and their next 30 videos are all that piece of equipment or position with little variation.

If they bothered to ask me what I'd like to see, it would be real scenes (I'm not into the roleplaying or costumes, myself) featuring solid bondage and ticklish women. Obviously, that covers a lot, and I do like most of what gets put out today. If I could see a little more variety, less formula and the occasional rope bondage, I'd be that much happier.

 

[tricham]

I was accused unfairly by jaba of bringing up the scam alert thread

for the wrong reasons so I will post my comments here as well.
I think good camera angles & truly ticklish women are the most important things to have in a video to make a long story short.

 

[jaba]

for the wrong reasons so I will post my comments here as well.
I think good camera angles & truly ticklish women are the most important things to have in a video to make a long story short.

On behalf of the members here who have agreed to disagree on that "other topic", but who ALL agree that it should die and go away for the sake of harmony on our forum....

Thank you.... 🙂

 

[method11236]

Many good ideas expressed so far. I would like to introduce another avenue of thought on this topic, if I may.

The TMF, while serving as a community for thousands of people, is also the primary mechanism of the tickle-media market. It is an open arena where everyone is given a voice to express their views, preferences and dislikes. However, the flaw in the current "system" is that clip consumers (people who pay money to buy content and support their favorite companies) have the same level of input as people who have never paid a nickle for clips and only use the TMF to download samples and free content.

What I am suggesting is that video consumers, for their own benefit, find a way to conduct market research into what consumers of clips want, as opposed to current situation where Yaqi posts a clip, tickle fetish flames it and then we get into a school boy argument. Lets cut the mooching middlemen out of the system and develop a system where clip purchasers are given perks and greater input into the direction of the companies.

That said, I commend the current companies, some especially and others less so, for doing a brilliant job in offering quality clips. Despite the high quality, I would consider less than 5% of what is produced to be even worth purchasing. Companies could increase this share if they produced fewer videos of exceptional quality instead of flooding the market with the same worn out scenario time and again. The example that comes to mind for me is French Tickling. FT has some of the most ticklish models in the business, but they release such a huge quantity of the exact same types of clips that I am not inclined to buy any of it.

Just some food for thought for the producers out there.
And no offense to the "moochers" out there. Sample clips are meant to be enjoyed (and hoarded ), but do everyone a favor, and purchase a decent clip from a company you support.

Cheers,
Meth

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

Going to back to the old days, one of the most original companies was California Star, who most of the time had some sort of plot or movie tribute theme (the fact that most of their models weren't ticklish seemed a minor irritant at the time). However when I bought T&T 15 (based on The Texas Chainsaw Massacre) and found 25 minutes of the video were devoted to setting up the story, I felt scammed. So that is the basic problem with todays clip4sale world, whereby if we are paying by the minute, we want to be paying for Tickling and not a backstory (even if it does enhance things).

I agree with the samey nature of todays producers, two of whom use the same old black bondage bench in all their vids (ad nauseum) to the extent that you no longer care who is on it (in both cases each proprietor is both defensive and arrogant when anything different is suggested). The shame of which being that one used to produce really brilliant and original stuff, but has now gone down a production line format.

Maybe we are all spoilt, and lets face it with the amount of free stuff going, we never really have to buy anything. However like a previous poster, when I hear a certain kind of laugh/hysteria I will part with my money every time irrespective of the producer. As an example I understand French Tickling were trying to do something different with Veronique, but it never worked for me as her laugh (faked or genuine I don't know) always sounds so appalling to me. Whereas with Virginie, although they were basically following their standard format, her laugh is so captivating and tormenting for me, I have to have everything she has done for them.

 

[tickler45]

I am glad to read this post...I am working on starting a company right now and am soaking up all the suggestions like a sponge. I agree with the quality of clips. I am using a 3ccd for that reason. If anyone has any ideas for stories they want to see send me some more pms or post em here I guess. Right now I am working with two sisters who are getting into this tickling thing...any ideas there? And for F/M content as well...they keep asking for their turn.

 

[tricham]

i hope you are able to find a wide variety of girls

I am glad to read this post...I am working on starting a company right now and am soaking up all the suggestions like a sponge. I agree with the quality of clips. I am using a 3ccd for that reason. If anyone has any ideas for stories they want to see send me some more pms or post em here I guess. Right now I am working with two sisters who are getting into this tickling thing...any ideas there? And for F/M content as well...they keep asking for their turn.

BIG feet, small feet, mature women, different races, etc... i will definitely check you out. Good luck

 

[daddy]

You know, I gotta believe that a whole lot of the tickle business, like other businesses, are market and consumer driven.......the producer makes the most of what sells......they may dabble on occasion with other trends, but in the end I would imagine what sells the most is what is made the most......

Yes...Exactly. It IS business. Sure, alot of them start off because of their passion, but in the end it costs alot of bucks for them to deliver the goods...and what works best? Simple...a truly ticklish woman/man and great laughter. Those two things will out sell any costume/scenerio/whatever vid on the market. I can guarantee it.

Sure, it is nice to see something wild and different, but when it all comes to a climax it's the lee and the laughter that win ya over.

I sure wish alot of ya could have been around back in the day when great FREE clips and such were not so easy to come by or when it took 2 hours to download a small clip! We need to appreciate what we have! I am a big fan of constructive critisism, and the producers do need that type of feedback...but when people just plain ass rip on someone for not giving them what THEY want, that is ridiculous! Why not take a poll and see how many others want to see what you do? Better yet, start a thread with your idea and see how many respond positive. You can easily gauge by that what the results will be. If only 10 people say "Cool Idea" then obviously the other thousands of forum members do not think like you do. The chance you get the vid you want becomes almost zero...It's that simple. Math is a great tool!

As for the poster of this thread...good for you for saying what you like and expressing your opinion. No fault in that. But in response to Jaba, every word he wrote to me is the way it is. It ya want custom material then pay for it...it can be done!!!

peace out,
daddy

 

[911]

I got to thinking about the last posts in the SCAM ALERT Thread (http://www.ticklingforum.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1413519)



Let's look at video clips, the big draw for a lot of people here. I mean, really, people may find the posts interesting, or amusing, but no one here is just waiting on the edge of their seat, or heart racing as they log on, to see what...Jaba, or Bandito, ..or ME or anyone else wrote...they want to see new tickling material!


Speak for yourself. I like the video clips a lot but everyone is on the edge of their seat waiting for a 911 post to show up, they need a dose of truth and justice and I bring it to them with my words of wisdom. Or at least that's what I tell myself. 😎