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Child obesity, child abuse?

LD_Tickler

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What are your thoughts on child obesity? We've all seen the US stats - obesity is on the rise, with many states approaching a one third obesity proportion and every indication that the numbers are only going to rise.

Who should be taking the lead in the crusade against child obesity? Parents are an obvious answer... is it abuse to allow your child to become obese? Or can parents be absolved, given that most child obesity occurs among lower socio-economic strata, where income and knowledge levels are lower? Should the government take a more active role in regulations, incentives, and disincentives on nutrition, or would that be overstepping the bounds of good governance? What actions would be acceptable or unacceptable?
 
I think that the Government should inform people, and that they should present the opportunities, but forcing people to eat healthy and exercise is the absolute wrong way to go.

This is a tough one for anyone to say, really.

I'm overweight. I know I am, and I know it's bad for me. As a kid, however, I'd eat more or less whatever was thrown on the plate in front of me. I didn't fully understand things like blood pressure, cholesterol and all of that crap. I relied on my mother to ensure that I didn't turn into a 25 year old heart attack victim.

In my honest opinion, letting your kid turn into a big fat tub of lard is child abuse, just like shoving cyanide down it's throat would be. However... given the fact that this is a free country, I don't know that there's any legal action that the government can take that wouldn't be considered tyrannical. They know it's wrong to set your kid up for diabetes at age thirty, but they can't do anything about it.
 
people are under educated, and dont 'have the time' to understand nutrition- hell im STILL trying to understand it.

most of the us seems to also be on state support for food .... the state should regulate some of it. sure it bans 'prepared foods' but you can buy cupcakes and cookies.. ding dongs... ring dings... you get the idea.... i know WIC (women, infant, children) program makes it simple with a list of what you CAN buy- healthy (er?) foods... im not saying that strict but something to curb how parents buy groceries.

america is also 'on the run'... we dont take the time to cook full meals anymore. we want quick and ready in 20 minutes stuff- all of which is loaded with fat, sodium, and god knows what else!

kids spend FAR too much time inside watching tv, on the internet, and playing xbox- GET OUTSIDE... we were outside everyday as kids... running around, jump rope, skip-its (hey they were cool! shush!)... you get the idea...

i cant blame the parents solely because some do try... so i dont know it'd be fair to claim it as child abuse... i just think we need a serious over haul of the crap allowed on our shelves and educating the people on nutrition...

sorry for the rant-ish response 🙂
 
No it should NOT be treated as child abuse, but something should be done about childhood obesity in this country. When you have 200 lb 10 year olds, and teenagers too heavy to sit behind a standard desk, you have problems. When you have type 2 diabetes in kids, you have problems. When a child is so stressed and depressed from the ridicule, you have a problem.

We can start with food history and education; I was a child of the 60s and 70s where they experimented with irradiated meats. My father worked in a meat packing plant; if he didn't butcher it we didn't eat it. I grew up in an urban environment but my grandfather kept a garden in the backyard, as most did in our neighborhood. We even had summer projects at school tending urban gardens; vegetables and melons were everywhere!

There are many things that have happened to our food and nutrition over the last 30-40 years. It's been slow and systematic going on in laboratories everywhere under the guise of finding ways of feeding the hungry and poor. Most of the food we eat has no decent nutritional value....at all. It doesn't successfully fill or satisfy so what do we have a tendency to do? Eat more of it of course! Microwaves make matters worse by further irradiating the food and removing even more nutrients out of it-do yourselves a favor and exchange it for a convection oven. Bottom line is we're overweight but under nourished--it's a cyclical clusterf*ck!

Okay what are the alternatives? Well we used to have food co-ops and independent markets. Did you know that there is a law recently passed (without the public's knowledge and consent) that makes it legal to grow organically, but illegal to sell (unless it's certain markets-will get to that later)? I've been hearing about this for awhile but it's finally in play; our police are being used to shut down organic farms and markets that sell unprocessed goats' milk. When they can be taking care of REAL crime they're shutting down organic markets that sell goat's milk.

Did you know that many of the independent markets are being bought by Whole Foods? Did you know Whole Foods is owned by the government? So now you really have no idea where your food is coming from. It can be birthed from a petrie dish, genetically manipulated, fished out the gulf for all we know. And we get to pay top dollar for it too!

And don't get me started on corporate manipulation through the media known as advertising. You're not a cool kid if you're not wearing, playing with, or eating what we want to sell. Who cares if it makes you a 200 lb by the time you're ten? Don't you be without the latest, greatest, must have that we tell you that you need.:sarcasm: Let's just say I'm glad my kids are grown with their own jobs.....

I know I went all over the place so if you are still reading at this point, I commend you! But I wish it were as simple as parents getting educated about better food choices. Healthy food prices are cost prohibitive and who can really tell how healthy they really are? Poor people are stretching their budgets as far as they can go; you can tell by looking in the shopping cart who's on WIC or getting food stamps.

There are many components to the obesity epidemic; start with making as many healthier choices that you can afford and get off the couch and do some stuff. I've struggled with weight all my life; I have two children who struggle as well and they're very active (one's an athlete). Another thing--do yourself a favor and DON'T DIET! Dieting is the worst thing I ever did to myself; it ruins your metabolism and you might not get it back in order. It took years to get in this mess, and it's going to take time to get out of it.
 
Interesting responses so far. Another question on the issue is the matter of accommodation. People of a large size often require accommodation, such as extra space on planes or trains, or that sort of thing. How far should society go in this respect?
 
Chronic drinkers require new internal organs after awhile. We all know how society goes about that.

Frankly, unless it's something that is medically wrong with you, then you shouldn't be accommodated for it. Though it's a stretch to compare obesity to liver failure, it gets my point across; innocent people need not sacrifice their own luxuries/necessities to accommodate for the bad choices of their peers.
 
I can understand the argument for it being child abuse, but I think intent needs to be there for it to be punishable by law. I think there definitely needs to be more done to inform people about what they're eating because clearly many are unaware of the severity of the issue.
 
I can understand the argument for it being child abuse, but I think intent needs to be there for it to be punishable by law. I think there definitely needs to be more done to inform people about what they're eating because clearly many are unaware of the severity of the issue.

Intent doesn't always count for much... for example, it would probably be classified as a form of neglect. Intent isn't really a factor in that case.
 
Intent doesn't always count for much... for example, it would probably be classified as a form of neglect. Intent isn't really a factor in that case.

Well, I meant in terms of childhood obesity and parents not really understanding what they are doing, etc. The argument is valid, I just disagree with it. Eventually, I would hope that people are more knowledgeable about nutrition, and perhaps childhood obesity will be considered child abuse someday. Right now, I feel like there are too many people that don't know enough.
 
For years I've been saying the very same thing every time I would see a spectacularly fat child in public... I would definitely consider it a from of abuse, or at the very least, neglect.

I understand that it's very expensive to buy healthy food, and that in some areas people have no other recourse but to purchase all their groceries from places stocking cheap, unhealthy foods... but I can't equate such conditions with obesity; you have to eat a lot of crap to get as big as some of these kids are getting.

I was always in shape as a child (and I am now) but from about 13 to 16 I weighed more than I do now and I was at least six inches shorter at the earliest... I would eat fast food almost daily, guzzle whole milk and gorge myself on sweets with total abandon. It took me a long time to re-educate myself on what being "full" feels like, not taking refuge from stress in sweets and fats, not eating when I wasn't hungry.

I think the parents should be blamed for any obese child under the age of 13; you make sure you child brushes his teeth, bathes and sees a doctor... why would you then fatten him up? Sure, not many people are educated when it comes to carbs, fats, proteins, calories and such, but if you see your kid getting progressively fatter, you have to understand what you're doing wrong and how you can take steps to reverse it.

A lot of people are quick to blame their personal problems on the food, the drink, the drug or the women as opposed to seeing them as symptoms and not the disease.
 
Child obesity is certainly a problem and parents need to learn more about proper nutrition and how to prepare healthy meals for their kids.

However, if it were to be considered abuse or at least neglect, where would the line be drawn? Do you follow charts for what would be the healthy weight of a child? Would a doctor be expected to call child services if 10-year-old Billy is ten pounds overweight? If not ten pounds, then how many pounds overweight should the child be before the doctor reports it? How long do you give a parent to get their child down to a healthy weight? What happens if it doesn't happen within a certain time frame?

There's a lot of questions to be answered when considering making something like this abuse/neglect.
 
Frankly, I'm not sure anything needs be done about it. Obesity is tragic and gross, but it's the kind of problem that arises when there are no more real problems in society. Sub-Saharan Africa would love to have an obesity "epidemic" on its hands.

If children are growing up fat, chances are they'll be teased about it. If they decide they don't want to be fat anymore, all they have to do is stop eating whatever they ate to make them so fat. It's not hard. If it's a matter of parents forcing food down the kid's throat, then that absolutely constitutes child abuse. If not, it's just self-abuse. That's not a crime. Tragic and gross, but not a crime.
 
Frankly, I'm not sure anything needs be done about it. Obesity is tragic and gross, but it's the kind of problem that arises when there are no more real problems in society. Sub-Saharan Africa would love to have an obesity "epidemic" on its hands.

If children are growing up fat, chances are they'll be teased about it. If they decide they don't want to be fat anymore, all they have to do is stop eating whatever they ate to make them so fat. It's not hard. If it's a matter of parents forcing food down the kid's throat, then that absolutely constitutes child abuse. If not, it's just self-abuse. That's not a crime. Tragic and gross, but not a crime.

The whole neglect and crime angle arises when you consider the immense health detriments that come with obesity. Just like it could be considered criminal neglect for a parent to pursue no medical care if their child gets sick, some would argue it's neglect for parents allow their children to become so unhealthy. It's not just gross, it's dangerous.
 
The whole neglect and crime angle arises when you consider the immense health detriments that come with obesity. Just like it could be considered criminal neglect for a parent to pursue no medical care if their child gets sick, some would argue it's neglect for parents allow their children to become so unhealthy. It's not just gross, it's dangerous.

Well, I guess it depends what level of obesity we're talking about. Parents can already have their children taken away if they're making the kids so fat they're having health problems. So in those cases, the system works.

If we're talking about your run-of-the-mill fat kids, it's not so clear.
 
Well, I guess it depends what level of obesity we're talking about. Parents can already have their children taken away if they're making the kids so fat they're having health problems. So in those cases, the system works.

If we're talking about your run-of-the-mill fat kids, it's not so clear.

I'm talking obese, clinically. not merely overweight. I'm not aware of many cases of parents losing their kids because of obesity-related health issues.
 
When a child's neck disappears and turns into a second chin, you may have a problem.
 
Many people, not all people, but many people can only lose weight on a low-carb diet and you will never see that type of diet pushed as part of the main stream = continued obesity.
 
So long as you're not stuffing twinkies or some other garbage down your kid's throat because you're too lazy to prepare a proper fucking meal, I don't view it as abuse.

Long term effects of child-hood obesity caused by retarded parenting, is the worst of it all.

Considering charging it as a crime would also require charging the companies who provide those 'easy peasy' fat-ridden products. And of course we don't wanna do THAT. 🙄

I just want it known that you also need to take into consideration those with a slow metabolism or other genetic form of breaking down fats in a slower way.
 

Considering charging it as a crime would also require charging the companies who provide those 'easy peasy' fat-ridden products. And of course we don't wanna do THAT. 🙄

I wouldn't say that. I think most people who want to go after fast-food companies don't hold the parents or the kids responsible for their own decisions. And if you want to go after the parents, I wouldn't think you'd need to blame whoever sold them the food. It's all about where you find ultimate responsibility.:shrug:
 
I wouldn't say that. I think most people who want to go after fast-food companies don't hold the parents or the kids responsible for their own decisions. And if you want to go after the parents, I wouldn't think you'd need to blame whoever sold them the food. It's all about where you find ultimate responsibility.:shrug:

I know.. I was trying to be sarcastic. I no has "Sarcasm Font". 🙁
 
If authorities can handle cases where kids are malnourished because stupid parents can't be bothered to feed their kid regularly, I think they'll be able to figure out how to handle cases where kids are obese because they're parents are too stupid/lazy to figure out how to balance a meal. Besides causing emotional issues, obesity can cause diabetes, cancer, heart disease, asthma, can promote the onset of early puberty, teasing due to being overweight can then lead to other eating disorders like bulimia, and obese kids tend to grow up into obese adults thus cutting their lifespan pretty short. Can't imagine a parent who would actively do that to a child if they knew better. And the mindset of "where does it stop? where do we draw the line?" is a bit of a lazy cop out in my opinion.
 
It's funny, I used to have the same bitter attitude towards the "epidemic" of obesity, comparing Americans so fat they cannot walk to Africans so hungry they could not walk, and it would incense me; after a few years of incidental education I learned how ridiculously taxing a fat body is on the organs.

Now I don't think it's a matter of slovenly, gluttonous Americans shoveling food down their throat (usually), but an insidious lowering of quality in foodstuffs in developed countries over the decades... alot of the shit they sell today is mind-boggling bad for you. I don't believe anyone should tell anyone else what they can do or put in their bodies, I'm just amazed at the choices people make sometimes.
 
Could over-eating be contributed to a psychiatrical disorder? Can a parent be totally demonized for their child's ailment. What if the child goes to public/private schools. Can a parent be responsible for their child(not on their private property?) What if the child is fed by fellow peers, teachers, administrators, janitors, etc.

How can parents always be held accountable? Their are so much more to the equation...

What if he's psychiatrically deformed, and the parents economically deformed. Can we manage all angles of the equation?
 
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