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nostradamas

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really blows.

If praying actually amounted to jack shit,
Christian Rock would be the most popular
and successful music ever created.

Instead, it remains as horrid as the day is long.

I blame Stryper and Amy Grant.

They will, fittingly, room together in hell.
 
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I like a few songs from Skillet, whom are considered to be a Christian band. Other than that, I'm annoyed by it.
 
Out of curiosity, what is it specifically that you do not like about it?
Is it the lyrics, or the lack of a rock & roll lifestyle of the band members, or what?

I'm just trying to get some perspective 🙂
 
When you can't make it in any other music venue, get religion, and the kids will buy it.
 
Meh, it's not all that bad...

.. there's actually some of it i like, i wouldn't necessarily call myself a Christian either. I just kinda dig it. It's one of those don't knock it until you've truly explored it kinda things.. but yeah, the Christian pop stuff is rather irritating. i'm pelted with it all day at work.

War of Ages;

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Red:

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Caroline Sullivan at CultureVultureBlog had this to say:

"It's often said that the devil has all the best tunes, and to prove it, people always toss around statistics showing that traditionally devilish musical genres - rock, rap, R&B - hugely outsell angelic ones such as
Christian rock. But here's a figure that will perk Cliff Richard up no end: according to the Recording Industry Association of America, only two major genres are now selling more in the US than they did 10 years ago. One is hip-hop (up from 9% of all album sales in 1996 to 13% in 2005); the other is religious (from 4.3% to 5.3%) Everything else, from rock to
country to R&B, has fallen.

Hip-hop's rise is probably attributable to the advent of super-sellers like Eminem, Jay-Z and 50 Cent, but the increase in religious music (Christian rock and gospel, mainly) is harder to pin on one artist, or even a group of artists. It has more to do with a flowering of post-millennial Christian youth culture, manifested in Christian nightclubs, tattoo parlours and skateboarding fellowships.

The music itself has come a long way from the 80s, when a band called Stryper tried to make Christian heavy metal groovy, but made the mistake of attempting it in striped trousers, which became a source of mockery to all but committed fans.

They've been supplanted by groups like California angst-metallers POD (Payable on Death), whose name references the crucifixion, and New Orleans' Mute Math - both profess to be Christian, but manage to be credible with it. (Intriguingly, Mute Math have now recanted,
and are suing their label for promoting them as a Christian band, claiming it has "damaged the brand"; their lawyer says: "We wanted mainstream credibility, and then to have it sold back into the Christian market if it were successful in the mainstream."

It was a movement waiting to happen, given that there was a nation full of Christian teens refusing to be palmed off with the wholesome approximations of pop culture their parents had to live with when they were young. While some very devout kids are turning up their noses at the likes of POB, believing that unless a band is actively evangelical they're as ungodly as Ozzy "Prince of Darkness" Osbourne himself, it's an area that's booming.

Booming in America, that is. Over here, being openly Christian works against a band, and those who are, like Athlete, tend not to discuss it. The feeling here is that Christian rock is musically below-par, and only bought by people who value the message rather than the actual music."
 
When you can't make it in any other music venue, get religion, and the kids will buy it.

Actually, it's quite the opposite!

Christian muscians make substantially less money than their secular counterparts because it doesn't sell like other music does. It's not like a Christian musician can make a BET-like video to sell it.

In your line of work, you should know of which I speak.
 
Actually, it's quite the opposite!

Christian muscians make substantially less money than their secular counterparts because it doesn't sell like other music does. It's not like a Christian musician can make a BET-like video to sell it.

In your line of work, you should know of which I speak.

They might make less, but there is a garunteed consistent demand. Whereas the public can be fickle towards figureheads of secular music.
 
Actually, it's quite the opposite!

Christian muscians make substantially less money than their secular counterparts because it doesn't sell like other music does. It's not like a Christian musician can make a BET-like video to sell it.

In your line of work, you should know of which I speak.

JCTV...which is carried in my area, among others.

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Christian Music Grows Up
As the success of bands like Switchfoot and Relient K prove, Christian acts are gaining more mainstream appeal.
By Jeff Diamant
Religion News Service

Kevin Gallagher, guitar-maker, musician and self-professed born-again Christian, remembers when religious friends first tried to push Christian rock music on him, in the 1980s.

"They would say, `Hey, listen to this, and make sure you pay attention to the words, because that's what's important,"' recalled Gallagher, of Saylorsburg, Pa. "I always said, `I can't get past the lack of quality and production.'

"But that's changed now. There's not a CD being produced by any Christian label right now that I'd be afraid to hand to anybody," said Gallagher, 46, once the lead guitarist for a now-defunct band called "The Suspects."

For the second straight year, Gallagher was planning to attend Saturday's (Sept. 2) "Revelation Generation" concert on farm grounds in Kingwood Township, N.J., with his wife and four children. The concert, scheduled to go on regardless of weather, was expected to attract at least 8,000 people.

"Revelation Generation" is one of many Christian rock concerts popping up around the country in recent years as Internet publicity and better productions have boosted the genre of Christian music beyond its original evangelical base.

Christian music as a whole -- a broad category including Christian rock, Christian pop, gospel and "praise and worship" music, among others -- has become the sixth most popular type of music in the United States. Based on sales, it is behind only rock, hip-hop, R&B, country and pop music, and is ahead of jazz and classical, according to the Gospel Music Association.

Through four decades of growth and the popularity of singers like Bill Gaither, Amy Grant and Steven Curtis Chapman, Christian music still accounts for a small percentage of total music sales -- about 6 percent -- according to Nielsen SoundScan, an industry group.

But recent young Christian rock groups like Relient K, Switchfoot, Further Seems Forever, Newsboys and MXPX have highlighted the growth of Christian music sales by 11.6 percent in the first half of the year, compared with the first half of 2005, at a time the total number of albums sold nationally declined 4.2 percent.

Why the increase in mainstream popularity? Industry experts credit high production quality and music from Christian artists that attract people who care about more than just lyrics.

That's different than in the past, when Christian listeners were so happy to have popular songwriters on their spiritual level that "as long as it sounded somewhat like what was going on in the (mainstream popular) culture, but talked about Jesus right out front, it was considered OK," said Tom Tenney, who oversees a Christian rock station for XM Radio.

And their Christian fan bases, once appalled that singers like Amy Grant tried to appeal to mainstream audiences, have become more patient with such "crossover" acts, said Deborah Evans Price of Nashville, Tenn., who writes about Christian music for Billboard magazine.

"Over the years," she said, "people have really come around to the fact that the primary reason most artists make Christian music is to spread the gospel, and that if they can spread it to the wider audience, that's a good thing, not a bad thing."

While many songs sung by Christian rock artists don't mention Jesus or salvation, many do have lines designed for Christian tastes. Relient K, in "Be My Escape," sings "I know to live, you must give your life away."

Newsboys, in "He Reigns," sing about Christians in Africa, Asia and South America, "all God's children singing Glory, Glory, Hallelujah, he reigns."

Last year's concert drew about 4,000 fans. Organizers expected at least twice that crowd this time due to better publicity -- more than 100 churches have helped spread the word and are coordinating trips -- and the June rainout of "Creation Festival," a top Christian music concert held almost annually in Pennsylvania since 1979.

Most of the attendees were expected to come from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, organizers said.

Jennifer Gover of Frenchtown, N.J., who attended last year and planned to do so this year, is typical.

"I've been a Christian all my life, so I've kind of grown up with (Christian music)," said Gover, 15, who downloads Christian rock from iTunes and listens to a Christian music station broadcast from Zarephath, N.J.

Like many of the concertgoers, Gover likes both Christian and non-Christian music. She said she is proud that Christian groups have found more mainstream success while eschewing lyrics that promote sex, violence and drugs.

"There's actually some real good (Christian) bands," she said. "Christian music has better lyrics. Non-Christian music sometimes has better music, but not all the time. Switchfoot and Relient K have really good music."

The Afters, Salvador, and Brian Littrell of the Backstreet Boys were expected to appear. Speakers, including actor Stephen Baldwin, were expected to talk about their religious lives.

Hearing thousands of teenagers singing religious lyrics together can be emotional, said Paul Gover, Jennifer's father, who attended last year and said the concert might lead some people to become more religious.

"Oftentimes, through the messages in the music, people get opportunities to commit their lives for Christ and oftentimes to change some of the lifestyles they've been involved with. With that commitment, lives are changed."

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I Used To Be A Jesus Freak But Now I'm Just A Freak, Period

Back in December of 1988, I was battling the ol' demon booze and while I was at a party one night, I saw how alcohol had its grips on me. So I just silently prayed to whichever God happened to be listening that night... and the next day, I had no desire to drink! Well, it just so happened that I had a few Christian friends who were only too happy to take me under their wing and get me baptized and all that jazz. Anyway, as time went on I got disillusioned with Christianity (battles over speaking in tongues and the whole 'holier than thou' thing sickened me) so I chose to explore other philosophies and open up my mind (I still think highly of Jesus and I hope he's more than just a man-made entity used by churches to control the minds and lives of their flocks, but I found that a lot of his followers were a bit too rigid, conservative and legalistic for my liking). To make a long story short, in my Christian days, I spent time listening to some of the Christian artists that were around. I mostly listened to a lot of artists who were former hippies who made Jesus Rock in the '70s. I won't lie... a lot of Christian music sucked but to be fair, there were some songs and artists who, to this day, I fondly think of and was happy to have them in my life. Here are a few examples:
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Keith Green - "Your Love Broke Through" (1977) On July 28, 1982, Keith Green and two of his children died in a plane crash just after taking off from the airstrip located near their Last Days Ministries property in Garden Valley, Texas.
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Phil Keaggy - "Time" (1976)
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Daniel Amos - "Shadowcatcher" (1986)
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Larry Norman - "Medley" Larry Norman was with the rock band People, who had a top ten hit in 1968 with the song, "I Love You." Larry Norman died on February 24, 2008 at the age of 60.
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Russ Taff - "I Cry" (1987)
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King's X - "I'll Never Get Tired Of You" (1990)
 
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Nostradamas,

I agree that there has been a lot of bad Christian Rock over the years. During my time playing keyboards for a Christian Rock band in the eighties, it seemed that a lot of artists felt that if the song is about Jesus, the music wasn't important. However, there were a few bands I liked such as Petra and Servant, that put some thought and creativity into the music as well as the lyrics.

But after a while, it seemed like what little decent Christian Rock was out there died out and gave way to what they called "Contemporary Christian Music," which had no edge and was just a little too sweetsy-poo for my liking. Twila Paris...Amy Grant...Steven Curtis Chapman...Michael W. Smith, etc. I couldn't deal with it any more and went back to The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Robin Trower, Uriah Heep, and so on.

Frankie,

Big fan of Phil Keaggy here, buddy. My favorite was an album called "Ph'lip Side." That was the album in which one side was acoustic and the other side electric. My favorite songs on that album are "Pulling Down," "Spend My Life With You," and "A Royal Commandment." I've looked for that album on CD and could never find it. It's unbelievably good.
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Frankie,

Big fan of Phil Keaggy here, buddy. My favorite was an album called "Ph'lip Side." That was the album in which one side was acoustic and the other side electric. My favorite songs on that album are "Pulling Down," "Spend My Life With You," and "A Royal Commandment." I've looked for that album on CD and could never find it. It's unbelievably good.

You're in luck, Drew. Out of the 100 or so Christian CDs that I collected back then, I gave away about 95 of them or used some as Frisbees (I tried to get into some of that Adult Contemporary stuff but like you, I grew bored with the sugary sweetness of it, so I went back to listening to my beloved '60s and '70s 'devil music'). Anyway, out of all the Christian CDs I collected back then, I hung on to my Phil Keaggy collection and yes, I have "Ph'lip Side." Send me a PM with your mailing address and I'll burn you a copy and mail it to you (My favorite song on that CD is the first track, "A Child (In Everyone's Heart)." Reminds me of The Beatles).
 
They might make less, but there is a garunteed consistent demand. Whereas the public can be fickle towards figureheads of secular music.


I'm personally glad demand has improved, even happier that Christians and non-Christians have better alternative music to listen to. The public will never be completely fickle towards secular figureheads; too many people making way too much money in the rap game for that!

And I think the quality of the music has improved over the years as well.
 
really blows.

If praying actually amounted to jack shit,
Christian Rock would be the most popular
and successful music ever created.

Instead, it remains as horrid as the day is long.

I blame Stryper and Amy Grant.

They will, fittingly, room together in hell.

Chill dude, whats with the hostility? I could think of a lot worse kinds of music (like hip-hop and death metal). Christian rock is the most positive music out there, a rarity when most of the songs coming out these days are depressing or about stupid relationships or just blatantly about sex (Lollipop? How can you write an entire song about a blowjob?) Nobody's going around attacking your music, buddy.
 
Even the popular bands that come out and then are later revealed to be "Christian rock" or "Spiritual rock" or whatever, usually always suck.

The lyrics + the usually bad or bland sounding voice = garbage.

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Chill dude, whats with the hostility? I could think of a lot worse kinds of music (like hip-hop and death metal). Christian rock is the most positive music out there, a rarity when most of the songs coming out these days are depressing or about stupid relationships or just blatantly about sex (Lollipop? How can you write an entire song about a blowjob?) Nobody's going around attacking your music, buddy.

I call Christian rock another alternative to listen to. Sorry it's not hardcore for some, but the bashing is totally unnecessary IMO.
 
Everyone knows that all of the good rock bands are already affiliated with satan. :firedevil:mhorns:
 
Everyone knows that all of the good rock bands are already affiliated with satan. :firedevil:mhorns:

I don't know aboot that, this guy seems to say different. :angel:

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I really must say to my taste Christian Rock is the music I enjoy the most. 🙂

Here's a song from my fave band, FFH. :smilestar

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Even the popular bands that come out and then are later revealed to be "Christian rock" or "Spiritual rock" or whatever, usually always suck.

The lyrics + the usually bad or bland sounding voice = garbage.

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This isn't Christian Rock but it certainly is Spiritual. What do ya think, Mairead?
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George Harrison - "My Sweet Lord" (1970) Just throwing you a curve ball, that's all. 🙂
 
I think the intentions are good with Christian Rock, but most of the music is pretty bad. I can usually tell when I've stumbled across a Contemporary Christian station before I even hear one lyric being sung.
 
Even the popular bands that come out and then are later revealed to be "Christian rock" or "Spiritual rock" or whatever, usually always suck.

The lyrics + the usually bad or bland sounding voice = garbage.

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Another perspective on Mairead's comment:

Bob Dylan, before he became a Christian:
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Bob Dylan - "Idiot Wind" (1975)

Bob Dylan, AFTER he became a Christian:
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Bob Dylan - "Man Gave Names To All The Animals" (1979)
 
That's It...I'm Starting a Christian Death Metal Band

Chill dude, whats with the hostility? I could think of a lot worse kinds of music (like hip-hop and death metal). Christian rock is the most positive music out there, a rarity when most of the songs coming out these days are depressing or about stupid relationships or just blatantly about sex (Lollipop? How can you write an entire song about a blowjob?) Nobody's going around attacking your music, buddy.

Hostility? Moi?
That's pretty ironic coming from a guy with Jason in his sig.

I will go on record saying children's music is at least as positive and a lot edgier.

I've been recording a contempo christian band and i just wanna shoot 'em full a drugs then gouge their eyes out because their music is so lame.

For the record, there are entire albums dedicated to dicks, blowjobs, and deviant sex. Genres even.

Finally, what exactly is "my music"? Clue me in, pal.

Does anyone really want to listen to these two?
 
Switchfoot is one of my all time favorite bands. Other than that, though, I really don't listen to whole lot of Christian music...
 
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