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Custom Video Etiquette And How To Get The Most Out Of Your Custom Experience

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Here is some advice about ordering a custom that will make both you and the model feel good 🙂

I have negotiated and ordered customs from a lot of models and for the most part have been happy with every one. Here are some rules I have learned.

1: Each model has her own pricing rate and it's based on many things including location, photos, difficulty of scene, the amount to film it and the amount to send it to you. Christina Carter will charge about 2700 for an hour long video with another model. She'll use a high quality set, you have to pay for the photos whether you want them or not, it will be very high def. This will not be major BDSM and she tends to like role plays. Diana Knight, Nat Demore, SAmantha Grace same thing. Going to one model might knock off about 300 dollars. Much of your custom HERE is the location and the extremely high quality production. NO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TALK THEM DOWN! I tend to prefer models who shoot out of their home. It keeps the price down, they tend to work with camera men who they know, vice who answered an ad. And they tend to be more comfy at home.

2: You need to write good specific scripts. Submit them to a model. I have found if I include photos of similar scenes it works out best. To be honest if the model says the script is too detailed and you write in clear english then she is not worth it. She wants easy money. Cares little for your fantasy. I send a detailed script, then at the end give a short description of each scene with it's salient points. If I know a model has shot with a certain company I'll tell her Well I want you tied like such and such. I want it to have a dungeoncorp feel to it. Also, a foot modeling scene will usually be a different price than say a suspension.

If you have a certain position in mind TELL them. Don't say I want you to hop. Tell them how if you want it a specific way.
Keep in mind, if you change some details after you pay they might want extra. Example: If you ask for a foot fetish video and they say ok I'll do a 10 minute video for 250 and after you pay they say Hey I want your feet flogged with bastinado they will probably say ok you can get THAT in another video or pay me this much more. That is valid on their part because you asked for a totally different concept.

Make certain they understand they can improvise some.

3: While discussion of the script is nice THEY ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL SPANK BANK!! They will pick up very quickly if you are a time waster.
Send your script. Ask her if she has questions. Answer her questions. Then get your rate. If it goes much past that then they will know you are not interested. I have found models like Sabrina Fox and Gina Rae Michaels are AWESOME provided you show you are serious. Both will 100% work with you THEY WANT you to get your moneys worth. 1: They do give a shit. 2: If you like it you will probably repeat and spread the word.

4: Pay them promptly. If you agreed on a price it is total BS to say well I am going on a business trip or on vacation. I'll pay you when I get back. Thats BS. You already agreed on the price. Paypal works around the world. While you are travelling THEY can make your video. Then you'll have a great surprise when you get home.

5: Show respect. They don't want you asking how their feet smell or what they are wearing or to tell you about their best tickling experience. They want to make your video and at a fair price. Again it's NOT a cybersex or cybertickling session. Don't ask for their home address. That is their private life.


I mentioned a couple specific models as being good for the following reasons.:

1: They LIKE you. Hell Sabrina Fox posts here because she likes you!

2: Their rates are reasonable and if you buy multiple videos they'll negotiate multiple rates (Sometimes) Keep in mind I am not speaking for them.

3: They answer mail promptly (usually within a couple days) and ask good questions.
4: They keep you up to date on the status of your video.

5: They are excellent improvisers! That is essential so your video is not mechanical.

I have vids from Christina, Kobe lee, Randy Moore, Serene Isley, Gina Rae and Sabrina Fox. While all did a good job the only ones I now order from are Gina and Sabrina because they hit it right.

Keep in mind. A one hour 2 or 3 scene video is about 5 or 6 hours of work. You see the edited version.

Above all. Contact them if you are serious! Then pay them, your vid does not get made till they are paid and more importantly if you are a deadbeat THAT gets around FAST!

Any questions please PM me! Or post them here!
 
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$2,700 for one video? Damn.....that's two weeks in Disney World.

3: They answer mail promptly (usually within a couple days) and ask good questions. Oppose this to Addie Juniper. Send more than a couple sentences she will say it's too confusing. Her rate might be a bit better but she wants to punch the video out at her convenience vice make the one you want. I'm not knocking Addie but keep in mind, virtually EVERY video you see on a website by a model is a custom and she tends to try to do the minimum for the money. You might pay a couple bucks extra a minute with others BUT damn it is worth it!

I didn't understand this paragraph - was Addie good or bad?

I'll never be rich enough for customs, but I wonder about people who HAVE ordered them....IS IT really worth it?
That's a crap load of money to pay.... I also wonder why more customs aren't sold to everyone else after the fact.

I know some are, and some strange people get all mad if you "sell their precious" custom, but the person paid to get EXACTLY what they want, so they are 100% happy.

(The reasoning for their anger is, if I order a $3,000 custom, and then everyone else can buy it for $7.99, what's the point?!! - that's not fair!!!
The answer is, if someone wants a specific model in a specific outfit, they could end up waiting 27 years, MAYBE, before it ever happens.
For, what's the possibility of Avril from Czech Ticklish Girls, wearing sheer toe suntan pantyhose, in a black genie outfit, tickled on a bed being made?
If I had $2,000, pretty damn good, if I have $10....I may be waiting 7 or 8 decades.......)

And has anyone been disappointed, or extremely disappointed, by their custom?

(I imagine the disappointment level would be off the charts, but one hell of a pay day if it works out. I have worked customer service for most of my sad life.
People will fly into a blind satanic white hot spit on Jesus and say Avengers sucked rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they don't have enough french fries in their 79 cent french fry order, or
if they see a "spot" on a shirt, after rubbing said "spot" for 10 minutes to try to get the shirt cheaper...... I've watched the police have to throw many spoiled ass assholes out for utterly trivial
disappointments, many times when they haven't even lost money! And I'm thinking about them as I read "She costs $2,700.....")
 
$2,700 for one video? Damn.....that's two weeks in Disney World.



I didn't understand this paragraph - was Addie good or bad?

I'll never be rich enough for customs, but I wonder about people who HAVE ordered them....IS IT really worth it?
That's a crap load of money to pay.... I also wonder why more customs aren't sold to everyone else after the fact.

I know some are, and some strange people get all mad if you "sell their precious" custom, but the person paid to get EXACTLY what they want, so they are 100% happy.

(The reasoning for their anger is, if I order a $3,000 custom, and then everyone else can buy it for $7.99, what's the point?!! - that's not fair!!!
The answer is, if someone wants a specific model in a specific outfit, they could end up waiting 27 years, MAYBE, before it ever happens.
For, what's the possibility of Avril from Czech Ticklish Girls, wearing sheer toe suntan pantyhose, in a black genie outfit, tickled on a bed being made?
If I had $2,000, pretty damn good, if I have $10....I may be waiting 7 or 8 decades.......)

And has anyone been disappointed, or extremely disappointed, by their custom?

(I imagine the disappointment level would be off the charts, but one hell of a pay day if it works out. I have worked customer service for most of my sad life.
People will fly into a blind satanic white hot spit on Jesus and say Avengers sucked rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they don't have enough french fries in their 79 cent french fry order, or
if they see a "spot" on a shirt, after rubbing said "spot" for 10 minutes to try to get the shirt cheaper...... I've watched the police have to throw many spoiled ass assholes out for utterly trivial
disappointments, many times when they haven't even lost money! And I'm thinking about them as I read "She costs $2,700.....")

Ok I'm sorry. First I left an impression that I did not mean to make that being Addie is bad. She's maybe upper middle of the road. The point I was trying to make is given she does not like detailed scripts and asks minimal questions do not expect the detail you might like in a video. I did not in any way shape or form mean to demean any model I listed.

Sometimes they do their best but your video does not end up the way you envisioned. Kobe lee, great girl, very reasonable about her rates. Exchanged dozens of emails but she did not get it quite right. Also there were issues on timeliness. TBH I think she did her best, it was in the end she couldn't quite uphold my vision. In her case it was more along the lines of suggest something and she'd say ok that is feasible.

Contrast that with Gina Rae or Sabrina Fox. Once they had the detailed script and asked some questions they suggested stuff to either add or delete and by the nature of their suggestions I knew they got it. I was NOT disappointed.

Another hunk of advice: If you want a second model you might want to let them suggest who it should be. With Gina I wanted a model, she then said WELL this model might not be the exact body fit BUT her limits are more in line with what you want. It proved to me she was thinking. And she was right.

Another suggestion: If you really want a model and her offer is too high THEN go to another model you might like and tell her you want model 1 in her video. MANY times the price is lower and that is primarily due to production cost and setting.

When ordering a custom in some cases it is understood your custom will appear on their website. In others a model will give a discount for letting you post it on her site. They will offer you this when they price it.

Mabus I agree, For the most part I get memberships. In the cases of my customs I wanted very specific fantasies that either the producers don't make or you simply have to get the right models to do it. Gina Rae makes a very intense video. Sabrina is clever as FUCK as she was a rigger at one time and worked with Lew Rubens. She'll go out of her way to make you happy plus her looks are iconic and she has killer ass feet.

My entire point of this thread was if you do order or are interested in customs thee are ground rules for both sides the most important from our side is to not view it as a cybersex session, to make certain they know what you want upfront, AND once you decide you want it pay for it. Don't be a punk and a time waster.
 
Very good post. But does it really cost $2700 for Christina Carter, or $270?

I do want to comment on really detailed scripts. A lot of models may have difficulty with too much detail because in reality, it is very hard to duplicate your fantasy with reality. I got to work with some models, and when we read some scripts, it was like, "wow". There were times where my own custom scripts didn't come out exactly right and I was literally right there with the models filming it. Fantasy in your mind is so much easier than making it in reality. There are some models out there that are great at what they do, because they have the experience of doing so many different things for so many years, they can do wonders with your fantasy.

The OP does make great points. These models are trying to get paid, not be your cybersex buddy. Treat them with respect and they do the same. Respect their limits. There have been times where some people do not respect the model because she doesn't do a certain thing. Not everyone will do what you like, so find another model who will. No need to insult the model or disrespect them. It is very true. Word gets around very quickly about the "creepy, crazy guy" who doesn't respect the models and their time. I have read some emails from people who berate the model because she won't do a certain thing. Insane.
 
Yep.

A 1 hour 2 scene clip with Christina Carter and another model is roughly 2700 dollars. This includes being bound with her hands tied over her head standing up
And lying on a bed with her legs tied spread and angled at a 30 degree angle.

Tickling, spanking, some clamps and a couple forced orgasms. If you want anything similar to what she did for Chantas Bitches or Kink. Double that price.
She also will only shoot tickling for her own or a close friends company.

She, Diana Knight and Natali Demore were all similar so far as their quotes.

Addie Juniper will cost 10 dollars a minute for a video. An extra model will be 8 dollars a minute. This includes the camera fee. She shoots out of her or Psymons Apt. Of course you won't get Christina Carter in one of Addies videos for that price.

I agree with Primetime. Thats why if a model is very into my project and gives active input I will pay her so we can get into more specific detail.
You HAVE to tell them right up front what you want. Now I know this is a tickling forum but let's assume I want a butt plug. You lay out your video including each scene. At the end I summarize each scene with highlights and I'll say Scene one +++++++ Needs a butt plug (Anal)
That way the model can tell me yay nay or suggest a model she works with who will do it with her.

Same with sending pictures of positions. Do NOT assume if you say remember that video with so and so? Some models have shot dozens of times with studios they cannot remember every scene. (Gina and Sabrina tend to, they have fantastic memories)

primetime is right. Just as I said earlier. Deadbeats names get around REAL fast. They'll catch on real quickly if you are pulling your chain. They do know who the nice guys are and if you want to shoot with another model they'll even tell them to give you a good deal, assuming of course you've ordered a custom from them. Once agreed to the price PAY THEM!!! Saying I'll pay you in two weeks is pure BS. You've agreed. If you did not have the money you should have ended to discussions right then. Don't think it's all about money. Ms Fox is here because she does have a genuine interest and given her profession of course she will advertise her custom business, politefully of course. Given the way this room adored a fake like Lily Haze who stole money I think they'll find Sabrina a breath of fresh air. This thread is not about Ms Fox but given her recent arrival here I think she's a good example of a custom model who will treat you right.

BTW my scripts ALWAYS include a backstory so each model knows what her character is about. I also NEVER script dialogue. If they read the story the dialogue is natural!
 
Yeah, I never script dialogue either. Maybe a few phrases, but I like to let the models ad lib. Makes it more fun.

Wow, $2700 an hour? Yeah, I hope she does capture the fantasy well because that's a ton of cash to lose if it doesn't come out good.....
 
Damn! I received a great custom with a producer and Kobe Lee for $75.00. She gave everything I wanted! That was a few years ago.

I guess the prices have really skyrocket! Now, I will stick with the hot amateurs.
 
Holy crap, I would never pay nearly 3,000 dollars for a video.

I'd rather hire an amateur for 100$ an hour and tape it myself. 😀
 
Holy crap, I would never pay nearly 3,000 dollars for a video.

I'd rather hire an amateur for 100$ an hour and tape it myself. 😀

Or, not pay me to film it... You want in on the action! Just need sloppy-seconds for a tip.
 
Oh CC will capture your fantasy well. She'll contact you till she gets it.

Me I'll pay less for the scenery . Bedrooms, Living rooms and such are just fine with me.
 
Here's a great one. There is a producer for a company named HeroineUniverse, he goes by Casey Fairfax. He shoots a select group of models he believes are his "friends" Said friendship is based on how happy they are to come see them when he pays 1200 to 1500 a day for them to shoot, plus plane fare, hotel, meals and at times he takes them shopping! He claims to have slept with Fayth On Fire, DragonLily, Kobe Lee, Nicole Moser/Masters, Hollywould, and Savannah and implies he slept with Diana Knight. He finally creeped out Kobe Lee so much she won't even acknowledge his existence.

What a waste of money.
 
Holy crap, I would never pay nearly 3,000 dollars for a video.

I'd rather hire an amateur for 100$ an hour and tape it myself. 😀

..and boy, would everyone buy THAT video!!

Here's a great one. There is a producer for a company named HeroineUniverse, he goes by Casey Fairfax. He shoots a select group of models he believes are his "friends" Said friendship is based on how happy they are to come see them when he pays 1200 to 1500 a day for them to shoot, plus plane fare, hotel, meals and at times he takes them shopping! He claims to have slept with Fayth On Fire, DragonLily, Kobe Lee, Nicole Moser/Masters, Hollywould, and Savannah and implies he slept with Diana Knight. He finally creeped out Kobe Lee so much she won't even acknowledge his existence.

What a waste of money.

How do you know all this stuff about Lily Haze and Casey, and what are the gory details?

I ask to certainly not be a troll, I'm legitimately curious, and when accusations are thrown around, I find facts will throw away any contrary criticism.
(I wish the internet had a "tone" button! Mine would be calm and curious for this thread....)

(I hate coyness. It's like calling some an asshole, .....because he didn't give you an extra piece of chicken at the chicken joint. Okay...he's not really an asshole, just to you. Compare that to "That asshole cut me off in the rain," to "That guy's an asshole....he stole his mother's grocery money to buy crack. Or, he's fucking his mistress while his wife is having their baby. OKAY, four different assholes, but details really flesh out the whole situation!!!)

I thought Lily Haze had a good reputation here, and I've had great conversations with her....but I've never bought a custom from anyone.

I'm genuinely curious about Casey Fairfax. He came here a few years ago, was a presence for awhile, he said the same thing about shooting with his "friends," people scoffed, he vehemently disagreed...people scoffed harder. He put out a few more preview clips..... then after a while left and I've never seen him on here since but saw his clips4sale store was still active.

I wonder how he "creeped" them out shooting a video, and why they're not "creeped" out by other producers, since Kobe Lee has worked with several at this point.

This is a GREAT question I've always wondered even for another thread! What are models experiences with producers?
(I decided to just start a thread about that one:
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showth...re-model-s-experiences-working-with-producers )

I also wondered about the "sleeping with models" thing.

I had heard that from at least one other producer way back when, who bragged about having sex with a few of his models after such and such "hot" video shoot....
 
Holy crap, I would never pay nearly 3,000 dollars for a video.

I'd rather hire an amateur for 100$ an hour and tape it myself. 😀

Exactly! I can probably hire someone for less and actually tickle them and live out my fantasy myself instead of watching them do it.
 
Here is some advice about ordering a custom that will make both you and the model feel good 🙂

I have negotiated and ordered customs from a lot of models and for the most part have been happy with every one. Here are some rules I have learned.

1: Each model has her own pricing rate and it's based on many things including location, photos, difficulty of scene, the amount to film it and the amount to send it to you. Christina Carter will charge about 2700 for an hour long video with another model. She'll use a high quality set, you have to pay for the photos whether you want them or not, it will be very high def. This will not be major BDSM and she tends to like role plays. Diana Knight, Nat Demore, SAmantha Grace same thing. Going to one model might knock off about 300 dollars. Much of your custom HERE is the location and the extremely high quality production. NO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TALK THEM DOWN! I tend to prefer models who shoot out of their home. It keeps the price down, they tend to work with camera men who they know, vice who answered an ad. And they tend to be more comfy at home.

2: You need to write good specific scripts. Submit them to a model. I have found if I include photos of similar scenes it works out best. To be honest if the model says the script is too detailed and you write in clear english then she is not worth it. She wants easy money. Cares little for your fantasy. I send a detailed script, then at the end give a short description of each scene with it's salient points. If I know a model has shot with a certain company I'll tell her Well I want you tied like such and such. I want it to have a dungeoncorp feel to it. Also, a foot modeling scene will usually be a different price than say a suspension.

If you have a certain position in mind TELL them. Don't say I want you to hop. Tell them how if you want it a specific way.
Keep in mind, if you change some details after you pay they might want extra. Example: If you ask for a foot fetish video and they say ok I'll do a 10 minute video for 250 and after you pay they say Hey I want your feet flogged with bastinado they will probably say ok you can get THAT in another video or pay me this much more. That is valid on their part because you asked for a totally different concept.

Make certain they understand they can improvise some.

3: While discussion of the script is nice THEY ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL SPANK BANK!! They will pick up very quickly if you are a time waster.
Send your script. Ask her if she has questions. Answer her questions. Then get your rate. If it goes much past that then they will know you are not interested. I have found models like Sabrina Fox and Gina Rae Michaels are AWESOME provided you show you are serious. Both will 100% work with you THEY WANT you to get your moneys worth. 1: They do give a shit. 2: If you like it you will probably repeat and spread the word.

4: Pay them promptly. If you agreed on a price it is total BS to say well I am going on a business trip or on vacation. I'll pay you when I get back. Thats BS. You already agreed on the price. Paypal works around the world. While you are travelling THEY can make your video. Then you'll have a great surprise when you get home.

5: Show respect. They don't want you asking how their feet smell or what they are wearing or to tell you about their best tickling experience. They want to make your video and at a fair price. Again it's NOT a cybersex or cybertickling session. Don't ask for their home address. That is their private life.


I mentioned a couple specific models as being good for the following reasons.:

1: They LIKE you. Hell Sabrina Fox posts here because she likes you!

2: Their rates are reasonable and if you buy multiple videos they'll negotiate multiple rates (Sometimes) Keep in mind I am not speaking for them.

3: They answer mail promptly (usually within a couple days) and ask good questions. Oppose this to Addie Juniper. Send more than a couple sentences she will say it's too confusing. Her rate might be a bit better but she wants to punch the video out at her convenience vice make the one you want. I'm not knocking Addie but keep in mind, virtually EVERY video you see on a website by a model is a custom and she tends to try to do the minimum for the money. You might pay a couple bucks extra a minute with others BUT damn it is worth it!

4: They keep you up to date on the status of your video.

5: They are excellent improvisers! That is essential so your video is not mechanical.

I have vids from Christina, Kobe lee, Randy Moore, Serene Isley, Gina Rae and Sabrina Fox. While all did a good job the only ones I now order from are Gina and Sabrina because they hit it right.

Keep in mind. A one hour 2 or 3 scene video is about 5 or 6 hours of work. You see the edited version.

Above all. Contact them if you are serious! Then pay them, your vid does not get made till they are paid and more importantly if you are a deadbeat THAT gets around FAST!

Any questions please PM me! Or post them here!

Basically don't be a douchebag and treat them with respect.
 
To the OP. I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what your complaint about my company was regarding custom videos...? My company (Psymon Jerusalem and myself) do VERY detailed customs, respond quickly and give each and every one our all. We deliver within 2-6 weeks (usually sooner) an HD downloadable link. Our rates are probably the lowest in the business ($10/min, $8/min for me). We do more customs than anyone I know. I can't remember what your request was, but I apologize for your dissatisfaction and would like the opportunity to make it up to you somehow.

Custom video page - http://www.BrainwashAdult.com/customs

I'm sure many will vouch for us, as we have dozens of repeat customers.... 🙂
 
I think I let it appear Addie has a substandard product. That was not my intent. I sent her a PM explaining my comments here which had to do with her saying my script was too detailed and she did not have time to read it. This is quite different from a bad product.
 
That's just it, though. We do the most detailed and intricate of scripts, so I can't imagine for the life of me why we would have simply turned you away because your script was too detailed! I will go read your pm, but in any case, I do apologize and would like to invite you to resubmit your script.

I think I let it appear Addie has a substandard product. That was not my intent. I sent her a PM explaining my comments here which had to do with her saying my script was too detailed and she did not have time to read it. This is quite different from a bad product.
 
..and boy, would everyone buy THAT video!!



How do you know all this stuff about Lily Haze and Casey, and what are the gory details?

I ask to certainly not be a troll, I'm legitimately curious, and when accusations are thrown around, I find facts will throw away any contrary criticism.
(I wish the internet had a "tone" button! Mine would be calm and curious for this thread....)

(I hate coyness. It's like calling some an asshole, .....because he didn't give you an extra piece of chicken at the chicken joint. Okay...he's not really an asshole, just to you. Compare that to "That asshole cut me off in the rain," to "That guy's an asshole....he stole his mother's grocery money to buy crack. Or, he's fucking his mistress while his wife is having their baby. OKAY, four different assholes, but details really flesh out the whole situation!!!)

I thought Lily Haze had a good reputation here, and I've had great conversations with her....but I've never bought a custom from anyone.

I'm genuinely curious about Casey Fairfax. He came here a few years ago, was a presence for awhile, he said the same thing about shooting with his "friends," people scoffed, he vehemently disagreed...people scoffed harder. He put out a few more preview clips..... then after a while left and I've never seen him on here since but saw his clips4sale store was still active.

I wonder how he "creeped" them out shooting a video, and why they're not "creeped" out by other producers, since Kobe Lee has worked with several at this point.

This is a GREAT question I've always wondered even for another thread! What are models experiences with producers?
(I decided to just start a thread about that one:
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showth...re-model-s-experiences-working-with-producers )

I also wondered about the "sleeping with models" thing.

I had heard that from at least one other producer way back when, who bragged about having sex with a few of his models after such and such "hot" video shoot....


I'll address the Casey Fairfax thing later when I have more time. But yes he claims he has slept with all those women. Also that Christina Carter implied she wanted to sleep with him but he didn't have time.

As for Kobe Lee, he got real stalkerish, claimed she "owed" him and she needed to shoot exclusively with him.
 
I just want to come in to say your insistent shit talking is getting old.

I have shot customs for both Addie and Kobe and Christina. Each of them exert all their effort into the product. I have also had detailed scripts given to me from all of them. I'm pretty sure I blocked you on twitter. I'm spretty sure you just like to talk shit on people to make yourself feel better. I'll go back to making kiddie porn now
 
Actually I believe I complimented Kobe and Christina. Both put a hell of a lot of effort into their work. I was simply amazed at their attention to detail. Christina was simply too high priced and there is nothing at all wrong with that. Kobe is sweet, but has quite a few limitations. At Addies request I removed the part about her and she thanked me. I determined it was unfair and did not focus on the quality of her work. Of the women mentioned I stand by what I say for the best quality at the best price Sabrina Fox, GR Michaels, and Severe Society are the keepers. You can't have blocked me on twitter as I don't do it nor facebook, myspace or any other network.
 
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