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Fetish problem...
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I'm not really sure what you were hoping for when you asked for opinions. And I won't assume to say anything for anyone else. But I can say how I feel for myself. For me what defines a fetish is something entertaining/arousing/amusing/fun/what-have-you that "can" become sexual in nature. Not always is, but can be. For example, I love videogames, martial arts, and swordsmanship. But none of those are ever sexual for me. So I call them hobbies. Tickling is something I do with my freinds and loved ones. And it has the potential to become sexual in nature when I'm with the woman I love. So I call it a fetish. I'm very proud to be who and what I am. I love my hobbies and I love my fetishes. I know what I like and I'm never afraid to say so. But fact is that few people ever meet someone quite as bold as me. All my friends know what all my hobbies and fetishes are. And they don't care how different from them I am. That's what makes them worthy of my friendship. I hope that's at least close to what you were hoping for N.
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Master N,
I appriciate your concern.
However, this was a very uncooth, unprofessional and VERY presumptuous way to handle this. Seeing as how you wanted to speak specifically to me, it would have been better to PM me instead of creating an eyesore and unneeded controversy for everyone to see.
Maybe you should do yourself a favor and delete this thread or ask for it to be deleted and carry on in PMs. Its really unnecessary and unproductive. And your little bit there at the end about wanting others' opinions and not wanting fights, when there clearly are none isn't a very good excuse.
Alas....again...
1.) I didn't reject any tribute. Thats your assumption. I just said I didn't feel comfortable with what you wanted. There are options I would guess, but you did not discuss those and because it is a tribute, its not my job to decide what they are.
2.) All those things you said would be common sense, but I've already explained this several times and its no less valid than it ever was. I do not want to be portrayed as a fetishist by my OWN hand. I'm already aware and know and have experienced what its like to have people assume I am one simply because I'm here.
But you overlooked the difference in ME doing that to MYSELF or adding to the problem. And no, the answer is not to stop or to leave. Its simply to explain where I stand on the issue itself, like I always have whenever this issue has come up.
Again, I like CATERING to this fetish, I have no problem with it, but at this point and time, as I said, I do not feel comfortable enough to draw myself involved in it or allow others to do so.
Thats a right I have, and something, which after my good enough explainations, you shouldn't have a hard time accepting or understanding. If for some reason you don't want to understand or accept it, then thats disrespecting me as a person, and thats not very nice. I've always extended you respect.
3.) How many posts I have here and what level of feather I'm at is irrelevant and has nothing to do with this. Its that high because I've been here for a long time now, years. See, thats the problem. People assume people with high post counts are somehow more involved than others. The fact is, theres people here who are more involved than I am and they've been here less periods of time, and have a lower post count.
Posts counts are just post counts, they don't say anything about anyone, with exceptions, like HDS, who posts and revels in the personalized glory of having an outrageous post count for fun.
My post count is just about right for someone who has been here as long as I have. Perhaps its more because I'm a regular contributor and thus have made many threads over these past years compared to, lets say, a user that does not contribute. In either case, a WOULD-BE fetish is not measured by post count. Thats just silly.
4.) You don't need to give me or anyone else a lecture or defend yourself as if you were under attack. Theres that presumptuousness I was talking about. You're getting touchy and defensive because you feel slighted by what I said when there was no reason to be. I was kind in the way I handled it, I explained myself properly, and I did it with class and understanding for how you and others might feel.
Its a shame you could not extend me the same.
5.) "You need to think more about the issue"
LOL, my friend, I've probably thought about this more times than you have (I've certainly had more time to do so) and I'm sure I've concentrated and pondered on it many a times deeper seeing as how my art effects alot of people too. Natural exposure isn't a question of if for me, its a question of how much. I know very well what my words and actions can and may do. Its the same for everyone here, artist or not.
This is why I take the time, EVERYTIME, to explain myself, to decrease the likelyhood of a misunderstanding and reduce the ammount of friction thats possible right from the getgo. I hit the ground running and try to afford everyone the luxury of not having to be perplexed in any way. Sometimes it doesn't go that way, and its certainly not my fault because of it. Minds just didn't connect in instances like that, so its no single person's fault.
So I more than just THINK about the issue, I plan for any likelyhood of it, and I react accordingly just as I have now. I could not possibly be more prepared than I already am. However, it seems you do no understand at all, and so this is necessary to explain.
6.) I never said or implied, in any way, shape or form that tickling or having fetishes was wrong. Rather, I actually said I like tickling and I've already said I like feet, just not for the same reasons alot (but not all) fetishists do. And theres nothing wrong with that. I respect their rights, just as I would expect the same of them toward me. I don't hold any contempt for anyone here, but obviously the door doesn't swing both ways sometimes.
If I truely had a problem with all of this, I wouldn't draw it and would reject requests. I also wouldn't be here, furthermore, I surely wouldn't have been here for as long as I have been if it truely bothered me.
I'm here by choice and because its fun and I meet alot of interesting people, and as of late have had some adventures I would say. I've been here for totally selfless reasons.
I'm here to share my gift and to share a sense of community like everyone else. Just because there are some things I'm at odd ends with doesn't mean I'm any less capable than anyone else here or that I should be regarded with suspicion or contempt whenever there is a disagreement or you think theres an issue to be had with me. I've been consistant and true all this time, and I won't compromise that.
The mistake is in assuming this is all I do however, draw tickling artwork and such. This is part of the reason I share samples of my non-tickling artwork as well, not just because I want to and because its fun.
And to those that have accepted something other than tickling on this board, and appriciate the diversity I bring and enjoy and welcome my non-tickling works with open arms, I thank you. You've made me feel more welcome here than you may think. 🙂
I appriciate your concern.
However, this was a very uncooth, unprofessional and VERY presumptuous way to handle this. Seeing as how you wanted to speak specifically to me, it would have been better to PM me instead of creating an eyesore and unneeded controversy for everyone to see.
Maybe you should do yourself a favor and delete this thread or ask for it to be deleted and carry on in PMs. Its really unnecessary and unproductive. And your little bit there at the end about wanting others' opinions and not wanting fights, when there clearly are none isn't a very good excuse.
Alas....again...
1.) I didn't reject any tribute. Thats your assumption. I just said I didn't feel comfortable with what you wanted. There are options I would guess, but you did not discuss those and because it is a tribute, its not my job to decide what they are.
2.) All those things you said would be common sense, but I've already explained this several times and its no less valid than it ever was. I do not want to be portrayed as a fetishist by my OWN hand. I'm already aware and know and have experienced what its like to have people assume I am one simply because I'm here.
But you overlooked the difference in ME doing that to MYSELF or adding to the problem. And no, the answer is not to stop or to leave. Its simply to explain where I stand on the issue itself, like I always have whenever this issue has come up.
Again, I like CATERING to this fetish, I have no problem with it, but at this point and time, as I said, I do not feel comfortable enough to draw myself involved in it or allow others to do so.
Thats a right I have, and something, which after my good enough explainations, you shouldn't have a hard time accepting or understanding. If for some reason you don't want to understand or accept it, then thats disrespecting me as a person, and thats not very nice. I've always extended you respect.
3.) How many posts I have here and what level of feather I'm at is irrelevant and has nothing to do with this. Its that high because I've been here for a long time now, years. See, thats the problem. People assume people with high post counts are somehow more involved than others. The fact is, theres people here who are more involved than I am and they've been here less periods of time, and have a lower post count.
Posts counts are just post counts, they don't say anything about anyone, with exceptions, like HDS, who posts and revels in the personalized glory of having an outrageous post count for fun.
My post count is just about right for someone who has been here as long as I have. Perhaps its more because I'm a regular contributor and thus have made many threads over these past years compared to, lets say, a user that does not contribute. In either case, a WOULD-BE fetish is not measured by post count. Thats just silly.
4.) You don't need to give me or anyone else a lecture or defend yourself as if you were under attack. Theres that presumptuousness I was talking about. You're getting touchy and defensive because you feel slighted by what I said when there was no reason to be. I was kind in the way I handled it, I explained myself properly, and I did it with class and understanding for how you and others might feel.
Its a shame you could not extend me the same.
5.) "You need to think more about the issue"
LOL, my friend, I've probably thought about this more times than you have (I've certainly had more time to do so) and I'm sure I've concentrated and pondered on it many a times deeper seeing as how my art effects alot of people too. Natural exposure isn't a question of if for me, its a question of how much. I know very well what my words and actions can and may do. Its the same for everyone here, artist or not.
This is why I take the time, EVERYTIME, to explain myself, to decrease the likelyhood of a misunderstanding and reduce the ammount of friction thats possible right from the getgo. I hit the ground running and try to afford everyone the luxury of not having to be perplexed in any way. Sometimes it doesn't go that way, and its certainly not my fault because of it. Minds just didn't connect in instances like that, so its no single person's fault.
So I more than just THINK about the issue, I plan for any likelyhood of it, and I react accordingly just as I have now. I could not possibly be more prepared than I already am. However, it seems you do no understand at all, and so this is necessary to explain.
6.) I never said or implied, in any way, shape or form that tickling or having fetishes was wrong. Rather, I actually said I like tickling and I've already said I like feet, just not for the same reasons alot (but not all) fetishists do. And theres nothing wrong with that. I respect their rights, just as I would expect the same of them toward me. I don't hold any contempt for anyone here, but obviously the door doesn't swing both ways sometimes.
If I truely had a problem with all of this, I wouldn't draw it and would reject requests. I also wouldn't be here, furthermore, I surely wouldn't have been here for as long as I have been if it truely bothered me.
I'm here by choice and because its fun and I meet alot of interesting people, and as of late have had some adventures I would say. I've been here for totally selfless reasons.
I'm here to share my gift and to share a sense of community like everyone else. Just because there are some things I'm at odd ends with doesn't mean I'm any less capable than anyone else here or that I should be regarded with suspicion or contempt whenever there is a disagreement or you think theres an issue to be had with me. I've been consistant and true all this time, and I won't compromise that.
The mistake is in assuming this is all I do however, draw tickling artwork and such. This is part of the reason I share samples of my non-tickling artwork as well, not just because I want to and because its fun.
And to those that have accepted something other than tickling on this board, and appriciate the diversity I bring and enjoy and welcome my non-tickling works with open arms, I thank you. You've made me feel more welcome here than you may think. 🙂
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professional is as professional does
if i hear one more line of professional talk i will sell you to a businessman (professionally with an armani suit of course)
if i hear one more line of professional talk i will sell you to a businessman (professionally with an armani suit of course)
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All I'm saying of course is that he could have stood to handle this better. At least in regards to what he involves me in. It was reckless, and that IS my concern, especially when its either not true or is unsubstanciated. He didn't even ask any questions, he just created a rant thread and thinks thats going to solve it, rather than doing the "professional" thing and PMing me. By professional perhaps I mean tactful. There we go, tact is a better term.
If anyone is going to talk of a matter like that, in public at least, I believe it should be done with a certain ammount of tact so as to have consideration for those reading it and not provoke those it was directed at. Its better for everyone, overall, when things are handled as best as they can be. 🙂
If anyone is going to talk of a matter like that, in public at least, I believe it should be done with a certain ammount of tact so as to have consideration for those reading it and not provoke those it was directed at. Its better for everyone, overall, when things are handled as best as they can be. 🙂
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Thank you. 🙂
Note, I'm not mad at him, I just would have prefered he had handled this better than he did. And if he felt so strongly about it, and the whole topic revolved around me, it would have been better for him to just contact me privately and not get you all involved in it. And labeling it as a "fetish problem" only makes it seem more severe and urgent than it really is. He even said we need to stop the fights. What fights? I don't see anyone fighting around here.
I'm not worried about me or my rep, I've done nothing wrong here, but I am concerned that even creating this thread may have backgfired on him. Although since this is his thread, he has both the chance to make things right and explain himself a little bit better and more clearly.
I personally however think its better off just closed or deleted. Theres no reason to even be talking about it. I've talked about this with different people several times in the past. If he wasn't there to read it, I understand that, and he can ask whatever he wants in private. But I don't think this is the place for a conversation like that. Its socially akward and uncomfortable, even if it is just online.
Note, I'm not mad at him, I just would have prefered he had handled this better than he did. And if he felt so strongly about it, and the whole topic revolved around me, it would have been better for him to just contact me privately and not get you all involved in it. And labeling it as a "fetish problem" only makes it seem more severe and urgent than it really is. He even said we need to stop the fights. What fights? I don't see anyone fighting around here.
I'm not worried about me or my rep, I've done nothing wrong here, but I am concerned that even creating this thread may have backgfired on him. Although since this is his thread, he has both the chance to make things right and explain himself a little bit better and more clearly.
I personally however think its better off just closed or deleted. Theres no reason to even be talking about it. I've talked about this with different people several times in the past. If he wasn't there to read it, I understand that, and he can ask whatever he wants in private. But I don't think this is the place for a conversation like that. Its socially akward and uncomfortable, even if it is just online.
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Celtic_Emperor
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Yes, it has. Although it says I registered here in 2002, I was actually aware of the community before that. Technically its been a little over two years, but if you add it all up its a bit more than that.
Either way, its a considerable ammount of time, dedication, etc. I didn't get as many ideas and pictures out on paper as I would have liked last year. I mean generally speaking, as well as tickling, etc. Hopefully, even though my priorities in life are changing and I'm faced with more responsibility than last year, that I'll somehow find equal or more time to draw what I really wanted/want to.
Don't worry, I lose sense of time sometimes too. 2004 went by really quick for me, and we're already into the second month of 2005, so that only made it seem much faster. Sometimes it doesn't feel like we're living in the times we are. In some ways it feels like we're still in the 90s, not the 2000s.
Either way, its a considerable ammount of time, dedication, etc. I didn't get as many ideas and pictures out on paper as I would have liked last year. I mean generally speaking, as well as tickling, etc. Hopefully, even though my priorities in life are changing and I'm faced with more responsibility than last year, that I'll somehow find equal or more time to draw what I really wanted/want to.
Don't worry, I lose sense of time sometimes too. 2004 went by really quick for me, and we're already into the second month of 2005, so that only made it seem much faster. Sometimes it doesn't feel like we're living in the times we are. In some ways it feels like we're still in the 90s, not the 2000s.
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There is no group called MasterN2005.
^^ ... umm? :O
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MasterN2005/
^^ no group in there... and I don't know why, but in "My Groups" , I can't see your group anymore (I HAVEN'T DELETED IT)
There is no group called MasterN2005.
^^ ... umm? :O
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MasterN2005/
^^ no group in there... and I don't know why, but in "My Groups" , I can't see your group anymore (I HAVEN'T DELETED IT)
