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for people that can't understand rap music
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Primetime, I feel what you're saying. And what you're sayong is true. Again I say people need to separate the garbage from the genuine rappers, and then give their opinion
But not to sound racial, but if the hip-hop/rap fans would criticize country music, or metal, I guess there would be an uproar of biblical proportions😀
But not to sound racial, but if the hip-hop/rap fans would criticize country music, or metal, I guess there would be an uproar of biblical proportions😀
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hey TK!!.......
....sorry your had to agree with me old chap, I will try hard to avoid you such embarrassment in the future!!.....by the way...what was it you agreed with me on back in 2002?....most intriguing!
....sorry your had to agree with me old chap, I will try hard to avoid you such embarrassment in the future!!.....by the way...what was it you agreed with me on back in 2002?....most intriguing!
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I like Chris Rock's take on it...
In his last HBO stand-up special (entitled "Never Scared," I think), he said:
"It's <i>hard</i> to defend rap nowadays..." lol
And it really is. A lot of the more popular hits are pretty raunchy at best, and are vulgar, violent and/or mysogynistic at worst. I definitely remember a time when that was not the case since I grew up liking it. Still, I think the record producers, companies, etc. have in mind what sells best (at least right now) so they'll keep signing the kinds of artists who'll keep it coming. Hopefully, the pendulum will swing another way eventually, but for now I find a lot of it hard to listen too myself. Ugh. Unless I'm on the dance floor with someone--at which time, who's listening to the words? 😛
That being said, I still like some if it. And I still know exactly what it takes for a rap to really be good to me. Also, there are still plenty of hits out there that are just about dancing, partying, having fun, etc. (50 cent - <i>In da club</i>, anyone?) I love those kinds; they restore my faith in the genre. Basically there are and always will be gems out there. Again, these aren't exactly spiritual hymns, but then neither is much else on the charts.
I don't try to "defend" rap or convince folks of that stuff anymore. Similar to primetime, I used to hate pretty much all "rock 'n roll" (esp. metal), country, etc. I was a kid then though, and now I just look to just take things in stride and have fun. I still don't go out of my way to listen to country (for example), but I can appreciate a gem when it comes along...and they're out there. Whodathunkit? Of course, maybe I just want to dance next to some cutie who likes line dancing to Garth Brooks. lol But that's actually important too, because I have friends who like other things, and I like to hang out & have fun with them too. Sometimes I just ask and let them point out what's good and what's not and why. Sometimes I learn something new and can appreciate it more then; sometimes not.
I dunno. I guess, it just makes life more fun to me to just relax and appreciate a little more rather than to bitterly exclude. If folks want to never "get" <i>any</i> rap, that's their choice too. It's really their loss though, because it's not going anywhere. May as well join the rest of us on the dance floor. woohooo! 🙂
In his last HBO stand-up special (entitled "Never Scared," I think), he said:
"It's <i>hard</i> to defend rap nowadays..." lol
And it really is. A lot of the more popular hits are pretty raunchy at best, and are vulgar, violent and/or mysogynistic at worst. I definitely remember a time when that was not the case since I grew up liking it. Still, I think the record producers, companies, etc. have in mind what sells best (at least right now) so they'll keep signing the kinds of artists who'll keep it coming. Hopefully, the pendulum will swing another way eventually, but for now I find a lot of it hard to listen too myself. Ugh. Unless I'm on the dance floor with someone--at which time, who's listening to the words? 😛
That being said, I still like some if it. And I still know exactly what it takes for a rap to really be good to me. Also, there are still plenty of hits out there that are just about dancing, partying, having fun, etc. (50 cent - <i>In da club</i>, anyone?) I love those kinds; they restore my faith in the genre. Basically there are and always will be gems out there. Again, these aren't exactly spiritual hymns, but then neither is much else on the charts.
I don't try to "defend" rap or convince folks of that stuff anymore. Similar to primetime, I used to hate pretty much all "rock 'n roll" (esp. metal), country, etc. I was a kid then though, and now I just look to just take things in stride and have fun. I still don't go out of my way to listen to country (for example), but I can appreciate a gem when it comes along...and they're out there. Whodathunkit? Of course, maybe I just want to dance next to some cutie who likes line dancing to Garth Brooks. lol But that's actually important too, because I have friends who like other things, and I like to hang out & have fun with them too. Sometimes I just ask and let them point out what's good and what's not and why. Sometimes I learn something new and can appreciate it more then; sometimes not.
I dunno. I guess, it just makes life more fun to me to just relax and appreciate a little more rather than to bitterly exclude. If folks want to never "get" <i>any</i> rap, that's their choice too. It's really their loss though, because it's not going anywhere. May as well join the rest of us on the dance floor. woohooo! 🙂
i feel you Natural tickler and like you said, let rap fans criticize other genres and all hell would break loose.
as for MrPartickler, like you i grew to listen to other genres. when i got to college, i had no choice but to listen to it as my dormmates listen to everything but rap. so i learned how to listen to other forms of music. i would never buy alternative, metal, or rock and roll, but if there's a good song, i will listen to it. but i will NEVER say that artists of other genres are untalented and say they are listening to crap. it's because i have RESPECT for other people's taste. funny how anti-rap fans cant do the same.....
as for MrPartickler, like you i grew to listen to other genres. when i got to college, i had no choice but to listen to it as my dormmates listen to everything but rap. so i learned how to listen to other forms of music. i would never buy alternative, metal, or rock and roll, but if there's a good song, i will listen to it. but i will NEVER say that artists of other genres are untalented and say they are listening to crap. it's because i have RESPECT for other people's taste. funny how anti-rap fans cant do the same.....
Like a few already said, when rap began it was a whole diff story. Now days, it's bout 90% a way for angry and violent people (who call themselves artists) to bitch and moan about their anger and well..get the kids to buy it. I wont go too deep into my thoughts on what rap has become since the 90s came in cause it is basicly my oppinion and nothing more..and dont wanna insult anyone.
I will say though, that rap began in the mid 70s on the streets of NYC. Then in 1979, a new and upcoming disco group called The Sugarhill Gang played with permision the break riff of Chic's "Good Times" (and I say played, not sampled/aka ripped off) and brought this rap thing to a record on their debut LP. Which not many know cause its long out of print..but was a very nice album of disco, soul and the rap experiment which started it all! I will say those boys could sing. The tracks "Here I Am" and "Bad News Dont Bother Me" (a 5am classic I may add) are prime examples on that LP. Unfortunatly, it didnt go over onto their 2nd LP and they became the first "Rap" group. But dont get me wrong, in the 80s there was alot of good rap which was something different and provided some fun and peaceful messages in the music (kinda like how disco did in the late 70s). But then as the late 80s/early 90s came..the message began to change.
Thats my input on this thread🙂
I will say though, that rap began in the mid 70s on the streets of NYC. Then in 1979, a new and upcoming disco group called The Sugarhill Gang played with permision the break riff of Chic's "Good Times" (and I say played, not sampled/aka ripped off) and brought this rap thing to a record on their debut LP. Which not many know cause its long out of print..but was a very nice album of disco, soul and the rap experiment which started it all! I will say those boys could sing. The tracks "Here I Am" and "Bad News Dont Bother Me" (a 5am classic I may add) are prime examples on that LP. Unfortunatly, it didnt go over onto their 2nd LP and they became the first "Rap" group. But dont get me wrong, in the 80s there was alot of good rap which was something different and provided some fun and peaceful messages in the music (kinda like how disco did in the late 70s). But then as the late 80s/early 90s came..the message began to change.
Thats my input on this thread🙂
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There have been very good arguments for and against rap made here, but I'll add a couple of more cents.
"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die...". Rap lyric? No, that's a lyric in Johnny Cash's song, "Folsom Prison Blues", from 1955. Did Johnny Cash really shoot that guy? No, of course not. Do rappers really do the things they boast about in their lyrics? The deaths of Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. just reinforce the negative stereotypes. I'm not defending rap. I choose not to listen to it, just like I choose not to listen to death metal or any form of music that doesn't connect with my soul. It's all down to personal choice. When rap first emerged in the late 70's,(when it was first heard in Tucson), I figured it was a novelty that would die after a couple of years. Well, it's still here, and we've got to accept its presence. That doesn't mean we have to listen to it, though.
First rap song: "Big Bad John", by Jimmy Dean, 1961. Or perhaps "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa", by Napoleon XIV, 1966.
"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die...". Rap lyric? No, that's a lyric in Johnny Cash's song, "Folsom Prison Blues", from 1955. Did Johnny Cash really shoot that guy? No, of course not. Do rappers really do the things they boast about in their lyrics? The deaths of Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. just reinforce the negative stereotypes. I'm not defending rap. I choose not to listen to it, just like I choose not to listen to death metal or any form of music that doesn't connect with my soul. It's all down to personal choice. When rap first emerged in the late 70's,(when it was first heard in Tucson), I figured it was a novelty that would die after a couple of years. Well, it's still here, and we've got to accept its presence. That doesn't mean we have to listen to it, though.
First rap song: "Big Bad John", by Jimmy Dean, 1961. Or perhaps "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa", by Napoleon XIV, 1966.
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Peace, love,.........
....and the most exquisit harmony, thats what Bill Evans preaches. As usual I continue to be astounded at the lack of interest that you Americans take in the wonderfull heritage of Jazz. I just wish some of you rap lovers would take the time to listen to music made by people who are not after a quick buck and a better class of "Ho". Guys who have no interest in gold jewelery or collecting firearms.
Go on, have a listen, see how it feels to listen to a guy who has devoted his life to his art, a guy who practices maybe eight hours a day every day and who is totally responsible for the music you hear. No talent boosting crap, no auto tune, no army of hair dressers, nail polishers and dog walkers.
....and the most exquisit harmony, thats what Bill Evans preaches. As usual I continue to be astounded at the lack of interest that you Americans take in the wonderfull heritage of Jazz. I just wish some of you rap lovers would take the time to listen to music made by people who are not after a quick buck and a better class of "Ho". Guys who have no interest in gold jewelery or collecting firearms.
Go on, have a listen, see how it feels to listen to a guy who has devoted his life to his art, a guy who practices maybe eight hours a day every day and who is totally responsible for the music you hear. No talent boosting crap, no auto tune, no army of hair dressers, nail polishers and dog walkers.
