For producers, ever had this problem with a model/volunteer for a clip?

[mass1926]

One of the biggest concerns that most producers probably have when meeting a girl who wants to do a shoot is that she may not be ticklish. It is usually fairly easy to spot a girl who isn't that ticklish right away based on her reactions during a shoot. However, has any producer or person who has done a tickle shoot ever encountered this problem:

Have you ever had a person come to do a shoot, but she is so ticklish that she can't go through with making the clip? I know this sounds ridiculous, but I mean that the girl is so freakout ticklish that she wouldn't be able to tolerate any tickling and be able to maintain enough composure to get through the clip. I wonder this because I've seen the audition clips for Tickling Paradise, and sometimes a girl would come along that couldn't maintain composure while they asked her to try and sit still as long as she could while they tickled her feet. A couple of girls couldn't even take a single stroke and were freaking out, and coincidentally they don't show up in any of the clips made by Tickling Paradise. I'm assuming that they were too ticklish to be able to maintain composure and get through a clip if they were restrained.

 

[TKL_Rebel]

i always thought producers got their models to sign a contract of when they are restrained, they have to endure it for how ever long the agreed time is before shes allowed to be let out the restraints...

 

[marcusb]

Yes. Twice.

 

[mabus]

I've always wondered....would't you WANT those girls to stay?!!

Elizabeth of Tickle Haven fell off the couch when she was first tickled!
She made three or four videos, then quit because it was too much for her....though I always hope she'll return!

Sometimes models return again and again who AREN'T ticklish......I can't say I have negative feelings toward them, because they are being a part of something that we all watch and enjoy....but, sometimes I'd rather the REAL ticklish ones do more shoots.

 

[marcusb]

You can't make them continue. If the model says "stop... I'm not doing this anymore", you have no real choice but to halt everything and pack up. (unless you're stupid and continue against her will)

I've always wondered....would't you WANT those girls to stay?!!

Elizabeth of Tickle Haven fell off the couch when she was first tickled!
She made three or four videos, then quit because it was too much for her....though I always hope she'll return!

Sometimes models return again and again who AREN'T ticklish......I can't say I have negative feelings toward them, because they are being a part of something that we all watch and enjoy....but, sometimes I'd rather the REAL ticklish ones do more shoots.

 

[Tickled Guy]

So far I have had 2 that were really ticklish and wouldn't return but never had to end a shoot. We have moved to other scenes and returned to tickling later for some models, instead of constant tickling though.

 

[mabus]

No, obviously if they really HATE IT, that's the end of the session. However, it seems unlikely that a person who truly hated being tickled would bother to show up to star in a tickling video..... but I'm sure that happens in our illogical world, but it can't happen that often.

(This isn't meant as insulting, marcus....I wish they had a "tone" button on the internet..my tone would be "laid back!") That sentence may sound sarcastic, but it's not. You wouldn't believe how many people would come to the restaurant I worked at, and complain "Everytime I come here they mess up my food!" I always wished I could scream "THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP DRAGGING YOUR BIG ASS IN HERE?!! Go to your damn house and cook you some pancakes! Or people who go watch a horror movie, and then demand their money back because the horror movie was scary....yes, it happens....)

But I'm sure some WOULD stay if they were allowed to get into it. This is a tough one, because I've seen videos of models who were ticklish, but the tickler had horrible technique, or was holding back, or was scared to REALLY tickle her. And not grab her and scratch so hard like a damn animal, I mean just continual tickles. But I wonder if it's in the directing of the video, ...do producers actually direct the model at all, ie: tell them to just get into it, enjoy it, whatever? I ask because some models seem to hold back for some producers, then will laugh their ass off for others. I guess it's how some models will model and look pissed off for some photographers, like they really don't want to be there, and then the same model will be all smiles and silly with others.

 

[n2tickling]

I would be interested in knowing which models have quit do to the "I can't take it anymores" I remember when Tickling Contest came out from PV one of the contestants quit, but I don't know which one it was. Marcusb, you said 2 quit, were they in any videos?

 

[marcusb]

No. Neither of them were released (they didn't sign model releases for the footage)

I would be interested in knowing which models have quit do to the "I can't take it anymores" I remember when Tickling Contest came out from PV one of the contestants quit, but I don't know which one it was. Marcusb, you said 2 quit, were they in any videos?

 

[rhiannon]

i always thought producers got their models to sign a contract of when they are restrained, they have to endure it for how ever long the agreed time is before shes allowed to be let out the restraints...

That would be an extremely stupid thing to do, both for the model and the producer.

 

[mass1926]

i always thought producers got their models to sign a contract of when they are restrained, they have to endure it for how ever long the agreed time is before shes allowed to be let out the restraints...

I used to think that as well until I took a Business Law course at college. Turns out that no contract is legally binding if it causes extreme duress or disadvantage to one of the parties. Also, in terms of contracts based on the execution of a performance, the performance must be completed to receive the payment. Therefore, the ticklee is able to quit at any moment, but she doesn't have to get paid because she did not complete the task.


Look at it this way, when you get a job you are under a contract with that company when you sign the agreement to work there and claim you understand all of their rules and regulations. However, they cannot force you to stay there and you can quit at any time. It just means that they no longer have to continue paying you when you quit.

 

[Phineas]

I used to think that as well until I took a Business Law course at college. Turns out that no contract is legally binding if it causes extreme duress or disadvantage to one of the parties. Also, in terms of contracts based on the execution of a performance, the performance must be completed to receive the payment. Therefore, the ticklee is able to quit at any moment, but she doesn't have to get paid because she did not complete the task.

Make sense. I have to wonder, though, how the use of safewords plays into this. I mean, if you have the model sign a contract that says "I won't let you out unless you use the safeword", and she doesn't use the safeword, but halfway through the session starts screaming the names of random dieties and begging you to untie her, how do you know it's duress and not just darn good footage?

I guess you'd stop and check, but still. Tough sitch.

 

[mass1926]

Make sense. I have to wonder, though, how the use of safewords plays into this. I mean, if you have the model sign a contract that says "I won't let you out unless you use the safeword", and she doesn't use the safeword, but halfway through the session starts screaming the names of random dieties and begging you to untie her, how do you know it's duress and not just darn good footage?

I guess you'd stop and check, but still. Tough sitch.

Well, if she says she forgot the safeword you would be obliged to remind her of it in case she really needs to use it. If she says not to use the safeword and seems to be going into hysterics it would probably be a good idea to ask her if she remembers the safeword just to make sure that she's not desperately trying to make it stop but can't remember the word.

 

[the tickleshow]

I've never had anyone beg off, but I have had models say they'd never do it again because it tickled too much. No one has ever been upset, though. I've had a few models ask me to use them again and again.
A member of this forum has actually volunteered to make 3 videos, but she has since backed-off without explanation. Life goes on, I suppose.

 

[Tortuga]

i always thought producers got their models to sign a contract of when they are restrained, they have to endure it for how ever long the agreed time is before shes allowed to be let out the restraints...

When a model signs a contract, it's a contract of release. Every model should sign one, if they don't...well that's kind of stupid. The contract doesn't or well shouldn't really have a time period on it, it's just an agreement to have the video released to the public. Every producer I have worked with, if it was too much for me I would say I need a break or shout "red", and it's always a good thing for the model to have a safeword like that, just like when you have a play session; it's the same when shooting videos.

 

[mass1926]

When a model signs a contract, it's a contract of release. Every model should sign one, if they don't...well that's kind of stupid. The contract doesn't or well shouldn't really have a time period on it, it's just an agreement to have the video released to the public. Every producer I have worked with, if it was too much for me I would say I need a break or shout "red", and it's always a good thing for the model to have a safeword like that, just like when you have a play session; it's the same when shooting videos.

Unfortunately a lot of people are under the misconception that a contract allows one party to legally continue inflicting discomfort on another even if the other party wishes for it to stop. That is 100% false and even if a ticklee signed a contract that stated that she was giving the tickler permission to tickle her, the contract could not be upheld in a court of law that the ticklee had to deal with all the tickling that the tickler wished to inflict because he/she signed a permission slip. There is No such thing as a contract that can be legally upheld in court that puts one party at such a severe disadvantage that they would have to undergo extreme physical or mental duress in order to complete it. That is called physical abuse, and if physical abuse is illegal, it can't possibly be considered legal because someone gives you permission to inflict it on them.

 

[Deadsea7777]

When a model signs a contract, it's a contract of release. Every model should sign one, if they don't...well that's kind of stupid. The contract doesn't or well shouldn't really have a time period on it, it's just an agreement to have the video released to the public. Every producer I have worked with, if it was too much for me I would say I need a break or shout "red", and it's always a good thing for the model to have a safeword like that, just like when you have a play session; it's the same when shooting videos.

Tortuga;

Since you are model, I am curious; who teach a model to be, or a beginner model what can be tolerated as normal and what no, on doing a clip/video? Who teach you which were the limits of what is fair in the trade? Or about the limits and scope of the contracts? Because I suppose in this kind of business there is no such a thing as a public code of conduct? (maybe there is, please be tolerant to the ignorance of an outsider)
So you teach you when you were a beginner? Or how did you learn?

 

[rhiannon]

who teach a model to be, or a beginner model what can be tolerated as normal and what no, on doing a clip/video?

"Normal" and "allowed" is always what the model allows and is able to tolerate. Once the model says "stop", it means stop! It's a personal thing and varies from model to model.

 

[Tortuga]

Tortuga;

Since you are model, I am curious; who teach a model to be, or a beginner model what can be tolerated as normal and what no, on doing a clip/video? Who teach you which were the limits of what is fair in the trade? Or about the limits and scope of the contracts? Because I suppose in this kind of business there is no such a thing as a public code of conduct? (maybe there is, please be tolerant to the ignorance of an outsider)
So you teach you when you were a beginner? Or how did you learn?

I wasn't taught, it's just common sense!

 

[Deadsea7777]

I wasn't taught, it's just common sense!

Fair enough!