Free tibet!

[Rox_My_Sox1]

(points upward to the title)...what she said. ^_~

 

[Fleet]

Fuck Tibet.

 

[Senshi1]

I'll take it! [/petergriffin]

 

[Relent<]

Hello, china? I have something you may want.
But it'll cost you! \ /
That's right.... All the Tea....<w<

 

[Slaver123]

I say free China as well....and every other country that's under crappy totalitarian tyrants

 

[Fleet]

I say free China as well....and every other country that's under crappy totalitarian tyrants

Oh so brainwashed. Typical American.

 

[Violetta]

Man, you'd have won so many points if you'd just left it at "fuck Tibet." But then you had to ruin it with the condescending pretension. Typical.

 

[Fleet]

I think these comments by non-Chinese citizens on China and Tibet is a bit condescending. It's just westerners trying to tell others how to run a government. Let the natives handle their own matters, or else we'll risk making it worse.

China may not be much better, but at least they aren't in some Euro and American bloc of world police.

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

Free Tibet! (With the purchase of General Tso's Chicken Dinner!)

I think these comments by non-Chinese citizens on China and Tibet is a bit condescending. It's just westerners trying to tell others how to run a government. Let the natives handle their own matters, or else we'll risk making it worse.

China may not be much better, but at least they aren't in some Euro and American bloc of world police.

Ah yes, of course, global security being a bad thing.

 

[Violetta]

Free Tibet! (With the purchase of General Tso's Chicken Dinner!)

Ooh, too spicy for me. Any specials on the Sweet & Sour chicken?

 

[Fleet]

Free Tibet! (With the purchase of General Tso's Chicken Dinner!)



Ah yes, of course, global security being a bad thing.

Intervening in the name of security only makes it worse. Like picking at a scab. Annihilating cities with bombs and using proxy-wars does not make you secure. I understand you live in some sort of GI Joe comic book world, but that isn't reality.

 

[Relent<]

Dude, calm down. There's nothing any of us can do about Tibet. It's essentially China's "Belgium" cerca WWI.

 

[Mash]

It's not really the US's place to intervene in matters that don't directly pertain to our national security, or the security of an allied force. This whole 'World Police' thing that the US is trying to pull off is going to bite them in the ass one day.

I'm of the firm belief that Tibet, China, the Korea's, and any other part of Asia should just be left to their own damn devices. If they want to blow themselves up, go for it.

 

[Relent<]

....except then who will make our cheap clothing and shoes? Nothing says freedom like cheap child labor abroad.

 

[PurpleStyle]

I think these comments by non-Chinese citizens on China and Tibet is a bit condescending. It's just westerners trying to tell others how to run a government. Let the natives handle their own matters, or else we'll risk making it worse.

China may not be much better, but at least they aren't in some Euro and American bloc of world police.

Nobody is suggesting that we handle China's problems for them. What people are suggesting is that China would be better off if they were capable of solving their own problems. Their shitty totalitarian government is what is stopping them. Throwing people into labor camps for making twitter posts is not conducive for solving problems. Neither is running them over with tanks.

I mean this in the nicest way when I say this: Pull your head out of your ass and stop acting like "we" represent the choices our idiotic government makes. Do you think those of us that are sane enjoy seeing our government piss money and lives away to mettle in the affairs of other countries? Come back when you have something intelligent to add.

 

[juggernaut]

Sooo... has anyone drawn any cat people being tickled by floating robot arms or anything?

 

[Relent<]

Nobody is suggesting that we handle China's problems for them. What people are suggesting is that China would be better off if they were capable of solving their own problems. Their shitty totalitarian government is what is stopping them. Throwing people into labor camps for making twitter posts is not conducive for solving problems. Neither is running them over with tanks.

I mean this in the nicest way when I say this: Pull your head out of your ass and stop acting like "we" represent the choices our idiotic government makes. Do you think those of us that are sane enjoy seeing our government piss money and lives away to mettle in the affairs of other countries? Come back when you have something intelligent to add.

That was actually very well said, Ms. Style. I wasn't going to go into it with someone who had such emotional stakes in the conversation, but thank you for taking that one head on like that. It was eating away at me XD

As for Tibet however, it pretty much serves as an indicator that imperialism is alive and well. I wonder if there are people in China saying things like, "Free Hawaii!"

 

[Fleet]

Totalitarianism can be quite helpful if done properly, but on its own it isn't worth a dime. It need to be combined with the actual raising of people's living standards.

We probably look at totalitarianism differently. You might think of dictators, but I think of state craft as soul craft, like Plato. Of course, I differ from some and don't want pure totalitarianism.

The history of Tibet and China is a lot different than that of the U$A and Hawaii.

I don't think Tibet should be "free" because the Balkanizing of China would only benefit those politicians in the US who want to further intervene in the affairs of foreign nations. Think about it, breaking up China means one less future competitor for America. And we all know the new Tibetan government would be buddy-buddy with the US, only causing America to spend more money on wars and corruption when it could be better spent on the American working class.

If Tibetan independence could be done without doing the above, I'd be cool with it.

 

[PurpleStyle]

Sorry, but China will not have a Marshall Tito to rise up and benevolently rule over them. A totalitarian regime just cannot work because it allows for it's leaders to have the greatest potential for abusing it's power. Given China's history, twiddling one's thumbs and hoping that they sort all their own shit out is the worst possible idea of all.

 

[Fleet]

Sorry, but China will not have a Marshall Tito to rise up and benevolently rule over them. A totalitarian regime just cannot last because it allows for it's leaders to have the greatest potential for abusing it's power. Given China's history, twiddling one's thumbs and hoping that they sort all their own shit out is the worst possible idea of all.

Certainly their government isn't great, but Westernization won't help it.

You know nothing of China.

 

[PurpleStyle]

That depends on what your definition of "Westernization" is. I would argue that places like Canada, Netherlands, Denmark, and Iceland count as "western" countries. Those are also some of the better places to live in, concerning standard of living, and access to education.

 

[Fleet]

That depends on what your definition of "Westernization" is. I would argue that places like Canada, Netherlands, Denmark, and Iceland count as "western" countries. Those are also some of the better places to live in, concerning standard of living, and access to education.

Yes, at the expense of the poorer countries.

How many people in the Congo had to die so snot-nose AmeriCanadians and European kids can have computers? They're made from coltan, a material that is mined and put into many electronics. The mining conditions are harsh, and people often get shot in wars for materials, backed by corporations and puppet governments.

How many Arabs must die for your SUV's?

Of course, you could point out the hypocrisy of me owning a computer. But it's required for many things these days. A lot of places where I want to work require I submit an online application.

Which leads me to another thing, why are jobs treated as a privilege by Americans? If I'm willing to work for my money, shouldn't I have a job? Why can't a lot of us find one? Don't we have the, although unwritten, right to earn a paycheck so we can pay our bills and support our families? Or are people considered human garbage unless some manager approves of them and grants them the ability to practice their right to support themselves and live like human beings? So if some manager doesn't like us we can die in a gutter?

Oh wait, I forgot, we can't guarantee people jobs in an effective manner because we're all afraid the Tea Party will shoot us for being, *gasp*, "socialists." Totalitarianism can fix that.

 

[Relent<]

Yes, at the expense of the poorer countries.

How many people in the Congo had to die so snot-nose AmeriCanadians and European kids can have computers? They're made from coltan, a material that is mined and put into many electronics. The mining conditions are harsh, and people often get shot in wars for materials, backed by corporations and puppet governments.

How many Arabs must die for your SUV's?

In the defense of "AmeriCanadians," the fact that we aren't intervening to raise the standard of the minor miners is more than likely responsible for their working under such inhumane conditions. I say that to introduce the hole in your entire argument: the awful conditions in China, or the Congo, or in "Arabia" are not caused by any form of direct western intervention; it is the result of totalitarian governments refusing to treat their workers like human beings.
You can't guilt trip someone for drinking coffee, just because the beans were grown in Cuba.

 

[Mash]

You people need to just calm the fuck down. Seriously. Not worth arguing over. XD

 

[Relent<]

You people need to just calm the fuck down. Seriously. Not worth arguing over. XD

Its a relatively civil, albeit impassioned, political debate. XD These happen all the time; nothing to stress over. Lol