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Google.com Good place for stalkers

alwayssilver

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I'm not sure if this is news or not, but recently I recieved an email about google.com. Well I went to the site, typed in my phone number starting with the area code like this ###-###-#### and not only did I get my name, and address to appear, but also a detailed map to my home. I think everyone should check this out and get there names off of that.
 
alwayssilver said:
I'm not sure if this is news or not, but recently I recieved an email about google.com. Well I went to the site, typed in my phone number starting with the area code like this ###-###-#### and not only did I get my name, and address to appear, but also a detailed map to my home. I think everyone should check this out and get there names off of that.

damn i did it also..and they always warn about giving out information online, and yet this can happen...i took mine off just now..it should take forty eight hours...
 
Holy crap! Google has a phone book!1!1!eleven!!!

It's nothing new. In fact there are hundreds of websites that do exactly that. It's called a reverse look-up and is (from what I know) only available when a persons phone number is listed in the phone book. If you would rather people not be able to type in your phone number and get a map to your house, perhaps you should not have your phone number listed.

Not to mention, I don't know if you're anything like me, but chances are if people have my phone number, they already know where I live.

Also, I don't have a home phone. My cell phone is my primary number since I can't take my house everywhere, but I can take my cell phone.
 
Have you ever thought about a kid giving out there phone number online? Some guy or girl typing it up, getting a map to that kids house, and making there way over there? No I doubt you did.
 
alwayssilver said:
Have you ever thought about a kid giving out there phone number online? Some guy or girl typing it up, getting a map to that kids house, and making there way over there? No I doubt you did.
Nah, I would just be a better parent to teach them never to do that and to monitor their online activities. Did you think of that? No, I doubt you did.

Calm down. Damn.
 
GirlsDoItToo said:
Holy crap! Google has a phone book!1!1!eleven!!!

It's nothing new. In fact there are hundreds of websites that do exactly that. It's called a reverse look-up and is only available when a persons phone number is listed in the phone book. If you would rather people not be able to type in your phone number and get a map to your house, perhaps you should not have your phone number listed.

Not to mention, I don't know if you're anything like me, but chances are if people have my phone number, they already know where I live.

I doubt a lot of people are like you. Never look ahead, never look at the possibilities. Do you think kids are any safer online now that they have been warned about how people are? No. Heck I did a study where I went online with a game called Maple Story, went up to some random person and said "Hey it's me!" And "You told me about this game." Not only did that person believe me, but supplied me with information about the person she believed me to be, and information about herself. I bet without trying I could have gotten a phone number out of her. I wrote an article about it in the paper as well. Surprised a few people in the process. So drop the sarcasm because you don't speak for everyone on this site. Some people might want to know about possible risks that could come to their families.
 
GirlsDoItToo said:
Nah, I would just be a better parent to teach them never to do that and to monitor their online activities. Did you think of that? No, I doubt you did.

Calm down. Damn.

Ha. You can't control your kids, or keep an eye on them 24/7. We live in an age where talking doesn't do the trick, and your safe word "I'll monitor their online activities" doesn't cut it either.
 
Cid said:
Ha. You can't control your kids, or keep an eye on them 24/7. We live in an age where talking doesn't do the trick, and your safe word "I'll monitor their online activities" doesn't cut it either.
Well, my argument is that my sister has a 14 and 13 year old. Both have MySpace accounts. And, as we know, MySpace is a place for predators. She monitors them very, very well. So, I do chalk it up to good parenting. Just face it, good parents exist and so do bad. Unlike most parents she only lets them online when she is around and able to monitor their activity.


Cid said:
I doubt a lot of people are like you. Never look ahead, never look at the possibilities. Do you think kids are any safer online now that they have been warned about how people are? No. Heck I did a study where I went online with a game called Maple Story, went up to some random person and said "Hey it's me!" And "You told me about this game." Not only did that person believe me, but supplied me with information about the person she believed me to be, and information about herself. I bet without trying I could have gotten a phone number out of her. I wrote an article about it in the paper as well. Surprised a few people in the process. So drop the sarcasm because you don't speak for everyone on this site. Some people might want to know about possible risks that could come to their families.

I look ahead quite often and look at numerous possibilities. For you to imply that I don't is just stupid. Your study is a typical thing. I never said all kids are smart, those are obvious stupid, uneducated and poorly parented children you came across. I never said I speak for everyone here and the sarcasm is here to stay, so if you have a problem with it, I suggest you just ignore my posts and don't quote me. I was simply making a point that it's not a new concept and that a name is much easier to come by than a phone number and you can get the same results just by knowing a name.

Also, back on topic:
A phone book gives a name and address of a person when you look up their name. Typically, a person's name is much more easy to come across and more widely used as opposed to just randomly finding a phone number.

Reverse look ups have come in handy in the past with me when someone would prank call or what not. I could type in their number and find out who it is. Much like caller ID, but with more effort.



I have to go to work now. Have fun kids.
 
GirlsDoItToo said:
Well, my argument is that my sister has a 14 and 13 year old. Both have MySpace accounts. And, as we know, MySpace is a place for predators. She monitors them very, very well. So, I do chalk it up to good parenting. Just face it, good parents exist and so do bad. Unlike most parents she only lets them online when she is around and able to monitor their activity.




Also, back on topic:
A phone book gives a name and address of a person when you look up their name. Typically, a person's name is much more easy to come across and more widely used as opposed to just randomly finding a phone number.

Reverse look ups have come in handy in the past with me when someone would prank call or what not. I could type in their number and find out who it is. Much like caller ID, but with more effort.



I have to go to work now. Have fun kids.

Right right... There are millions of good parents out there. Yes that's true. lol. But it's also true that those parents who monitor their kids activities online also have no idea how there kids develop relationships online. How they will find out they have been meeting people online in real life. You have no freaking idea what kids have the power to do on these wonderful little machines known as computers. They aren't stupid, they know more about computers than most "PARENTS" do. Thats why so many kids end up dead. Raped because they found someone online who listened to them. Sure most of those dead kids came from good homes, parents who monitor their childrens activities online. You just don't think do you?

Oh and I'd like to add this. You know how easy it is to get around a parents block? Pretty friggin easy as reports will show you. Parents need to step it up another few notches to keep their children safe, as reports will tell you.
 
GirlsDoItToo said:
Nah, I would just be a better parent to teach them never to do that and to monitor their online activities. Did you think of that? No, I doubt you did.

Calm down. Damn.

hey daughter of mine....i never knew that putting one's number in a phone book, which is local...would be broadcast all over the internet for weirdos to find...
 
GirlsDoItToo said:
Nah, I would just be a better parent to teach them never to do that and to monitor their online activities. Did you think of that? No, I doubt you did.

Calm down. Damn.

Oh I'm calm. It's just when it comes to the safety and protection of kids you can never take the right amount of steps.

isabeau said:
hey daughter of mine....i never knew that putting one's number in a phone book, which is local...would be broadcast all over the internet for weirdos to find...

This is what I'm talking about. I looked up isabeau's number and found her address on it. Even a map to the house.
 
The whole "online security" threat is overblown. We spend so much time worrying about "predators" online, but the plain fact is that even today 90-95% of sexual assaults and molestations are committed by people the victim knows offline, or who identified and began stalking the victim offline. But do we spend 90 to 95% of our attention on the threat that really deserves it? No, because we're so focused on the vague and anonymous threat of the internet.

Just make your number unlisted. Then people can't look it up. End of worry.
 
it costs money to make your phone number unlisted...and my husband needs his number listed for business reasons..
 
isabeau said:
it costs money to make your phone number unlisted...and my husband needs his number listed for business reasons..
It's not terribly expensive to make a number unlisted. And if it's essential for business then just get a separate business line. It'll be a tax deductible expense.

In your case however I don't think it matters. You can exercise adult care in giving your phone number out, and don't need to worry about an unsuspecting child handing it to an online predator.
 
You guys really shouldn't look at this from your point of view only. There are plenty of people on here that give out their phone numbers to others, and have no plans to give it out to anyone else. It's not paranoid to take these precautions. And no I'm not saying only worry about the threats on here. Like I said before you can never take enough steps to protect your kids. Does anyone who posted on here have kids?
 
Redmage said:
The whole "online security" threat is overblown. We spend so much time worrying about "predators" online, but the plain fact is that even today 90-95% of sexual assaults and molestations are committed by people the victim knows offline, or who identified and began stalking the victim offline. But do we spend 90 to 95% of our attention on the threat that really deserves it? No, because we're so focused on the vague and anonymous threat of the internet.

Just make your number unlisted. Then people can't look it up. End of worry.

It ain't over blown. If it were overblown we still wouldn't have to worry about our kids doing something stupid like give out there personal information, or meeting someone offline. If it were overblown we wouldn't have those fortunate 5 or 10% who aren't raped by offline people, get raped from people they meet online. Just because the numbers small doesn't mean it isn't important. And secondly I don't think 90 or 95% of us are turning a blind eye to the threats offline. That's just a cop out to get a footing in this little debate. And if these threats were vague than there wouldn't be dead kids from the results of them. But you are right... most of them are anonymous. I don't think I should have to tell parents they have to keep their kids safe in ALL aspects of their lives or they don't deserve to be parents.

And one more thing. Just because you make your number unlisted doesn't mean you can stop worrying. I doubt you even have kids.
 
Redmage said:
It's not terribly expensive to make a number unlisted. And if it's essential for business then just get a separate business line. It'll be a tax deductible expense.

In your case however I don't think it matters. You can exercise adult care in giving your phone number out, and don't need to worry about an unsuspecting child handing it to an online predator.

I don't speak for alwayssilver but I think your missing the over all point of this thread. He didn't mention kids in his first post. I'm sure a lot of people didn't know maps to their homes were avalible online. Maybe instead of only seeing it your way, one way, why don't you see it through other peoples eyes.
 
I don't think criminals have to look hard for victims. So many people, not just young kids, provide so much secured information everyday on this forum and on other forums.
 
I understand that. But in any fight to protect others you have to take smaller steps. To protect children you take a thousand smaller steps in order to do something larger. And this is one of those steps. I'm pretty passionate about the protection of children, and making parents aware of things.
 
Cid said:
I understand that. But in any fight to protect others you have to take smaller steps. To protect children you take a thousand smaller steps in order to do something larger. And this is one of those steps. I'm pretty passionate about the protection of children, and making parents aware of things.


I understand that. I was just rather amused by some of these grown ups who have provided me with more information than I know about my own grandparents sweating their security. God forbid they are protecting any children.
 
Redmage said:
It's not terribly expensive to make a number unlisted. And if it's essential for business then just get a separate business line. It'll be a tax deductible expense.

In your case however I don't think it matters. You can exercise adult care in giving your phone number out, and don't need to worry about an unsuspecting child handing it to an online predator.
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damn how much do you think i make a year? or him? and i'm talking about me...i only give my phone number out sparingly, however predator's dont' always care how old or young you are...
 
Highway101 said:
I understand that. I was just rather amused by some of these grown ups who have provided me with more information than I know about my own grandparents sweating their security. God forbid they are protecting any children.

That's true. I don't understand Red's logic here. Just because one number is higher than another doesn't mean those 5-10% who loose a child won't care. Loosing 1% is just as bad.
 
Ticklemaster750 said:
I thought all of the stalkers were hanging around myspace.com

No I guess a few step away from the computer every now and than. This might be old, but still...

Everett man charged with child rape


Herald staff



An Everett man was charged Monday with child rape and two other counts of sexual abuse for alleged misconduct with a 10-year-old girl over several years.

Nathan Edward Sandefer, 52, went naked in a hot tub, showered and slept in the same bed as the girl, deputy prosecutor Matt Baldock said in papers filed in Snohomish County Superior Court. He took her and another child on long-haul truck rides and videotaped naked children at his house, Baldock said.

In the Snohomish County sheriff's office investigation, detectives confiscated videotapes that contained images of the girl and other children naked. He told investigators that at his house "clothes are optional," Baldock said.

Sandefer denied illicitly touching the girl, who is a relative of his.

Sandefer was convicted of a misdemeanor, "annoying or molesting a child under 18," in California in the early 1980s, Baldock said. Other more serious charges were dismissed.

In 1999, Sandefer was charged with first-degree child rape in Snohomish County for alleged illegal contact with a 15-year-old boy. A jury acquitted him of that charge in 2000, Baldock said.

Besides first-degree child rape, Sandefer is charged with first-degree child molestation and sexual exploitation of a minor.

He was arrested earlier this month and posted $50,000 bail. Baldock said he will ask for bail to be increased to $250,000 because there's evidence Sandefer may have been preparing to leave the area before his arrest.
 
Cid said:
It ain't over blown. If it were overblown we still wouldn't have to worry about our kids doing something stupid like give out there personal information, or meeting someone offline.
That's actually my point. You don't have to worry about that nearly as much as you think you do. The chance of them being hurt by someone you know personally and have invited into your home is far greater than the chance of them being harmed by someone online.

Just because the numbers small doesn't mean it isn't important.
If we saw huge nationwide advertising campaigns and weekly media stories about protecting kids from the dangers of lightning bolts, we might wonder what all the fuss was about. Certainly, kids ARE killed by lightning. But there are so many more important threats that most people just give their kids some commonsense instructions and then rightly don't spend a lot of time worrying about it unless they actually see their kids playing under a tree during a thunderstorm. This is like that.

That's just a cop out to get a footing in this little debate. And if these threats were vague than there wouldn't be dead kids from the results of them.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't even make sense. I don't need to do anything special to get a "foothold" in a thread. All I have to do is click "Post Reply" and start typing. And yes, it is vague, because people are being scared by shadows. A scant handful of tragedies are being inflated into a huge faceless threat that clearly has you all worked up. But the actual threat is small. There are much more important problems to worry about out there, and only so much time in which to worry. So I think kids are better served by giving each threat the attention it merits, based on the actual risk.

And one more thing. Just because you make your number unlisted doesn't mean you can stop worrying.
About the subject of this thread - people looking the number up online to get the address? Yes, that's exactly what it means. If the number is unlisted you can stop worrying about that.
 
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