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um... mods?
<<Great videos, great pics
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I've been noticing this happening more and more lately... so what does that mean, you guys have to approve that the site is worthy before we can see it?
OH, i bet it's a piracy issue. So be it, but at least but that in your disclaimer so it doesn't sound like you guys are big brother and making decisions for us.
<<Great videos, great pics
(link pulled pending review)>>
I've been noticing this happening more and more lately... so what does that mean, you guys have to approve that the site is worthy before we can see it?
OH, i bet it's a piracy issue. So be it, but at least but that in your disclaimer so it doesn't sound like you guys are big brother and making decisions for us.
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We kill directly posted links to sites that are trading on copyrighted material. It's not right that someones work is being given away.
'Pending review' means that we've had a report that a site is doing it, and one of us who can recognize the stuff has gone to take a look.
As to TickleTheater, they have a no copyright material policy also that mirrors ours, simply report a violation and they will remove it. We do it more often because more people seem to take the time to report things here. As his user base becomes more active, and understand the costs of copyright violation to getting further material, I'm sure that it will happen more there also.
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'Pending review' means that we've had a report that a site is doing it, and one of us who can recognize the stuff has gone to take a look.
As to TickleTheater, they have a no copyright material policy also that mirrors ours, simply report a violation and they will remove it. We do it more often because more people seem to take the time to report things here. As his user base becomes more active, and understand the costs of copyright violation to getting further material, I'm sure that it will happen more there also.
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just a thought
I'm not disputing your policy...
But you of course realize, that if your policy was truly enforced that 99 percent of the websites in existence would not be linked here? Of course, most of the are. thats the nature of the beast. People who can't make their own stuff get a little rise out of creating a website with their own 'creation' of pre-made material.
that would be a fascinating stat actually, percentage of original material on website v. posted pre-made pages made by 'fans'.
My point being, the TMF would get a lot smaller if your policy were enforced evenly. I'm glad that isn't the case.
I'm not disputing your policy...
But you of course realize, that if your policy was truly enforced that 99 percent of the websites in existence would not be linked here? Of course, most of the are. thats the nature of the beast. People who can't make their own stuff get a little rise out of creating a website with their own 'creation' of pre-made material.
that would be a fascinating stat actually, percentage of original material on website v. posted pre-made pages made by 'fans'.
My point being, the TMF would get a lot smaller if your policy were enforced evenly. I'm glad that isn't the case.
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If someone reports a link to a site that is using copyrighted material that we recognise as being from a pay section of a sight, or ripped from a video we'll remove the link here.
The sites we provide links to in our coded link pages all have a policy of removing ANY copyrighted material at its owners request with no questions. If they stop doing that we remove the link.
Let's use Tickletheater as an example as we talked about it above. TT has a policy of removing any copyrighted material when it is brought to their attention or if they happen to see it on their own. Is there copyrighted stuff on the TT, yah I bet there is, but if I went and pointed it out it would be gone. Thus they get and keep their link.
We see this as an issue of owners rights. When someone spends time and energy to create something they should have the right to make a profit from that effort, they cannot if others are giving it away for free. We can't stop people from doing that, but we can not help them in spreadign word that they are.
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The sites we provide links to in our coded link pages all have a policy of removing ANY copyrighted material at its owners request with no questions. If they stop doing that we remove the link.
Let's use Tickletheater as an example as we talked about it above. TT has a policy of removing any copyrighted material when it is brought to their attention or if they happen to see it on their own. Is there copyrighted stuff on the TT, yah I bet there is, but if I went and pointed it out it would be gone. Thus they get and keep their link.
We see this as an issue of owners rights. When someone spends time and energy to create something they should have the right to make a profit from that effort, they cannot if others are giving it away for free. We can't stop people from doing that, but we can not help them in spreadign word that they are.
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well said
I think this is very sound thinking.
I think this is very sound thinking.
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The word IS copyRIGHT...
<p>I think that, in this matter, tarring Myriads and the other Forum mods with the "Big Brother" label is unfair.<p> <p> The Forum has an open policy about not encouraging the indiscriminate sharing of copyrighted material. This does more than merely protect the vid producers or paysite operators who advertise here. It protects the interest of amateurs like myself who, while we post our creative material (like stories) here with the understanding that it's being shared with the wider world, we, if we retain copyright over it, can object if it's posted someplace and in a manner we object to. This is NOT simply a issue for larger commercial interests, but for the smallest of us creators as well.<p> <p> The pervasiveness of and ease in using the 'Net has led some folks to regard copyright protections as mere tools of profit-hungry corporations. As
fond as I am of the Robin Hood legend, I cannot accept this simplistic notion. Respecting copyrights supports artists; disregarding copyrights undermines artists, whatever you think of their work. <p>
<p>I think that, in this matter, tarring Myriads and the other Forum mods with the "Big Brother" label is unfair.<p> <p> The Forum has an open policy about not encouraging the indiscriminate sharing of copyrighted material. This does more than merely protect the vid producers or paysite operators who advertise here. It protects the interest of amateurs like myself who, while we post our creative material (like stories) here with the understanding that it's being shared with the wider world, we, if we retain copyright over it, can object if it's posted someplace and in a manner we object to. This is NOT simply a issue for larger commercial interests, but for the smallest of us creators as well.<p> <p> The pervasiveness of and ease in using the 'Net has led some folks to regard copyright protections as mere tools of profit-hungry corporations. As
fond as I am of the Robin Hood legend, I cannot accept this simplistic notion. Respecting copyrights supports artists; disregarding copyrights undermines artists, whatever you think of their work. <p>
URGENT Alert on new tickle site!!!
The other day a link to a new site was pulled from this forum pending further review. Unfortunately I got the link from tickle theater and when I downloaded several of the video clips a "Troan Horse" came with it. It corrupted a bunch of files and disabled my antivirus program and sucked personal information from my PC. Beweare anyone who goes there.
The other day a link to a new site was pulled from this forum pending further review. Unfortunately I got the link from tickle theater and when I downloaded several of the video clips a "Troan Horse" came with it. It corrupted a bunch of files and disabled my antivirus program and sucked personal information from my PC. Beweare anyone who goes there.
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I'm not sure what golfer is arguing above, so I’ll try and hit all the possibilities that I can see.
If it's that we are trying to hide the theater from users, we are not. It's right here. Have a blast, it's owner has built a great site, and has managed to find a way to handle the bandwidth of hosting a mighty pile of media, My hat is off to him on that, as I shudder at the expense. It’s my hope that he can manage to continue doing it for a very long time. It’s a huge asset to our community.
If he's arguing that you can easily find copyrighted material there (or links to it), I'm sure you can, policing a site like his, or this one, is a big job, and we tend to rely upon users and copyright holders to point out violations to us. If no one does, then such may (and do) go unnoticed. I won’t even try to say that we could view every site that is linked here. There is simply too much to look at it all. It’s not possible.
But, just because it does exist for these reasons, does not indicate that we condone it. (I can't speak for the Theater, but from conversations I wager his thoughts are similar)
I can understand why golfer (and probably the majority of our users) may dislike our policy, as it makes it harder for him (them) to find free material that he (they) would enjoy.
But what I always have a hard time understanding is how anyone can honestly justify the ‘rightness’ of supporting the theft of someone’s work. I always like to assume they just don’t understand the costs to the creator when it happens, and it’s not that they are too self involved in oafishly gobbling pleasure from a free trough that they never think about it. I’ve yet to see an argument that holds water in justifying it.
Golfers statement, is, in my eyes, equivalent as to saying “Hey, that 7-11 store down the street has a real lax clerk on in afternoons, if you help yourself to stuff he’ll never notice.”
On second thought, perhaps a better analogy would be “Hey I know someone who scored a ton of stuff from the 7-11, and is just giving it away! He’s on the corner of 6th and Eagle.” Yes that fits much better.
Is it wrong to point others at the opportunity to enjoy stolen goods? I’ll leave the moral side of the question to each user, as it is indeed an individual one. We feel it is wrong, and policy here on this forum follows that opinion. It's not rhetoric, it's an actual responsibility that we feel we owe to the media creators, and that we are serious about.
Myriads
If it's that we are trying to hide the theater from users, we are not. It's right here. Have a blast, it's owner has built a great site, and has managed to find a way to handle the bandwidth of hosting a mighty pile of media, My hat is off to him on that, as I shudder at the expense. It’s my hope that he can manage to continue doing it for a very long time. It’s a huge asset to our community.
If he's arguing that you can easily find copyrighted material there (or links to it), I'm sure you can, policing a site like his, or this one, is a big job, and we tend to rely upon users and copyright holders to point out violations to us. If no one does, then such may (and do) go unnoticed. I won’t even try to say that we could view every site that is linked here. There is simply too much to look at it all. It’s not possible.
But, just because it does exist for these reasons, does not indicate that we condone it. (I can't speak for the Theater, but from conversations I wager his thoughts are similar)
I can understand why golfer (and probably the majority of our users) may dislike our policy, as it makes it harder for him (them) to find free material that he (they) would enjoy.
But what I always have a hard time understanding is how anyone can honestly justify the ‘rightness’ of supporting the theft of someone’s work. I always like to assume they just don’t understand the costs to the creator when it happens, and it’s not that they are too self involved in oafishly gobbling pleasure from a free trough that they never think about it. I’ve yet to see an argument that holds water in justifying it.
Golfers statement, is, in my eyes, equivalent as to saying “Hey, that 7-11 store down the street has a real lax clerk on in afternoons, if you help yourself to stuff he’ll never notice.”
On second thought, perhaps a better analogy would be “Hey I know someone who scored a ton of stuff from the 7-11, and is just giving it away! He’s on the corner of 6th and Eagle.” Yes that fits much better.
Is it wrong to point others at the opportunity to enjoy stolen goods? I’ll leave the moral side of the question to each user, as it is indeed an individual one. We feel it is wrong, and policy here on this forum follows that opinion. It's not rhetoric, it's an actual responsibility that we feel we owe to the media creators, and that we are serious about.
Myriads
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Re: URGENT Alert on new tickle site!!!
Perhaps this is poetic justice? In any case, it should put an end to the debate about this particular new site. The files are infected. So, why would anyone want to go?
Ann
jetski100 said:
Perhaps this is poetic justice? In any case, it should put an end to the debate about this particular new site. The files are infected. So, why would anyone want to go?
Ann
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i know i'll catch flack for opening up like this about such a touchy subject (free tickling video clips) but hey, it beats being quiet, lol. this little rant is mainly about public praise for myriads, tklduoAnn, and the rest of the moderators here who care enough about the creators/producers of tickling material to not put up with pirating or copyright theft. its refreshing to see that their moral compasses are working correctly. 🙂 far too many people today think just becuase something is electronic on the internet, its free and not stealing.
being a producer of tickling material for about 5 years i am still shocked when i see individuals assume they can take/find our video clips and pictures (the pay-for stuff), paste it all over a yahoo group or an amatuer web1000 type website and call it "their tickling website." do they not think about where the pictures and videos came from? do they not understand the cold hard cash and time that goes into making them? do they really think they have the right to create a web page using someone elses material?
its similar to this. your neighbor works very hard to make something, lets say, top quality toy sized model cars. lets say he makes 50 of them and they are very nicely done. they look beautiful. the work that went into them, and the money, was extensive and he's very proud of his accomplishments. well one day a thief goes into his garage and steals the cars, and gives them to you. or worse yet you go steal them yourself. then the next day you set up a "model car" table and start giving them away to people who love model cars but don't want to pay for model cars. worse yet, maybe you even charge money for the cars or ask for something in trade in return. and you're doing this with something you never spent one cent creating, never one moment creating.
anyway, thanks to the TMF operators for standing up for what's right. i wish all the producers the best and would advise them all to stand up for their copyrights. if you hide behind the couch and don't say anything, then the people doing it will get very comfortable doing it.
we have a friend who continually keeps an eye on this forum, other forums, and many tickling pages for copyright infringements, and we take action immediately when our stuff is being used illegaly. i strongly suggest all other producers do the same.
take care all.
being a producer of tickling material for about 5 years i am still shocked when i see individuals assume they can take/find our video clips and pictures (the pay-for stuff), paste it all over a yahoo group or an amatuer web1000 type website and call it "their tickling website." do they not think about where the pictures and videos came from? do they not understand the cold hard cash and time that goes into making them? do they really think they have the right to create a web page using someone elses material?
its similar to this. your neighbor works very hard to make something, lets say, top quality toy sized model cars. lets say he makes 50 of them and they are very nicely done. they look beautiful. the work that went into them, and the money, was extensive and he's very proud of his accomplishments. well one day a thief goes into his garage and steals the cars, and gives them to you. or worse yet you go steal them yourself. then the next day you set up a "model car" table and start giving them away to people who love model cars but don't want to pay for model cars. worse yet, maybe you even charge money for the cars or ask for something in trade in return. and you're doing this with something you never spent one cent creating, never one moment creating.
anyway, thanks to the TMF operators for standing up for what's right. i wish all the producers the best and would advise them all to stand up for their copyrights. if you hide behind the couch and don't say anything, then the people doing it will get very comfortable doing it.
we have a friend who continually keeps an eye on this forum, other forums, and many tickling pages for copyright infringements, and we take action immediately when our stuff is being used illegaly. i strongly suggest all other producers do the same.
take care all.
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well said... but...
first let me say... that there is no one... NO ONE, more pro copyright protection than i am.
I just hate the hypocracy of it all. Because here's the truth: at the end of the day, if the TMF's policy were truly even handed, there would maybe be 7 links to original sites with video content. EVERY OTHER ONE, is pirated. It's just a fact. If you didn't make it, and you set up a sight or a lame yahoo group that displays it, it's pirated. There are so few producers that ALL the other sites we visit (with exceptions like extreme tickling, which i presume has an exemption from producers) should not be linked here. right?
But as I said before, I'm glad it isn't because the TMF would be a much duller place reduced to the likes of "Hey, anyone know if Britney Spears is ticklish???? do tell!!"
Yuck.
first let me say... that there is no one... NO ONE, more pro copyright protection than i am.
I just hate the hypocracy of it all. Because here's the truth: at the end of the day, if the TMF's policy were truly even handed, there would maybe be 7 links to original sites with video content. EVERY OTHER ONE, is pirated. It's just a fact. If you didn't make it, and you set up a sight or a lame yahoo group that displays it, it's pirated. There are so few producers that ALL the other sites we visit (with exceptions like extreme tickling, which i presume has an exemption from producers) should not be linked here. right?
But as I said before, I'm glad it isn't because the TMF would be a much duller place reduced to the likes of "Hey, anyone know if Britney Spears is ticklish???? do tell!!"
Yuck.
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I just hate the hypocracy of it all. Because here's the truth: at the end of the day, if the TMF's policy were truly even handed, there would maybe be 7 links to original sites with video content. EVERY OTHER ONE, is pirated.
Where is the hypocracy? Point me at a linked site with pirated material and we kill the link. That's what happened on this thread. Better still, inform the site owner that they have pirated material, they remove it 9 times out of 10.
As I said, the policy is evenly enforced. Want an example? The ROCKING is a good one. He's a very high profile community member who even won a golden feather for his media ftp trading site. Recently he's posted several pay clips from TC and FP, in both cases his links we scotched on report. He later removed the problem material.
IF you tell us, we act. We count on you, the USER to tip us. We cannot view everything. Hell, we don;t see every post here on the forum.
Also, there are a lot of images that are considered tradeable in the community. Promo images for one, There are tons from FM, Harmont, MTP, TC and FP about. Dead companies often stop caring about thier copyrights, there is a lot of that stuff out there people trade. There have been scans of HOM's magazines, shots from early FM videos, and such that would be considered violations today and are very wide spread in the comunity (even being named 'the emmit series' after the person who scanned them years back for the newsgroups, but both entities are on record as considering those shots as publicity today, and not having an issue with them.
So a lot of the 'fan' sites are doing so with legal material.
Myriads
Where is the hypocracy? Point me at a linked site with pirated material and we kill the link. That's what happened on this thread. Better still, inform the site owner that they have pirated material, they remove it 9 times out of 10.
As I said, the policy is evenly enforced. Want an example? The ROCKING is a good one. He's a very high profile community member who even won a golden feather for his media ftp trading site. Recently he's posted several pay clips from TC and FP, in both cases his links we scotched on report. He later removed the problem material.
IF you tell us, we act. We count on you, the USER to tip us. We cannot view everything. Hell, we don;t see every post here on the forum.
Also, there are a lot of images that are considered tradeable in the community. Promo images for one, There are tons from FM, Harmont, MTP, TC and FP about. Dead companies often stop caring about thier copyrights, there is a lot of that stuff out there people trade. There have been scans of HOM's magazines, shots from early FM videos, and such that would be considered violations today and are very wide spread in the comunity (even being named 'the emmit series' after the person who scanned them years back for the newsgroups, but both entities are on record as considering those shots as publicity today, and not having an issue with them.
So a lot of the 'fan' sites are doing so with legal material.
Myriads
i believe jetski to be right. I found a trojan on my system. It might have been from there. Anyone that downloaded from there better scan their system. My anti virus did'nt catch it. Fortunately i don't believe my firewall would let anything get out anyhow. Live and learn. For what its worth i'm glad the link was pulled. I'm fairly certain some of it was membership site material. The only reason i did'nt say anything was because its hard to tell who gets approval to host material for people and who does'nt. Oh and 1golfer..disreguard the trojan warning and download everything you can from there after all you still have the link on the TT site...hahahahaha...
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i see...
myriads...
I see what you are saying and i don't disagree with your presentation of your policy.
I think there is room for both of our points which are:
1... the TMF counts on it's members to actively report piracy.
2...there are many sites that (unwittingly to the TMF) exists on pirated material.
myriads...
I see what you are saying and i don't disagree with your presentation of your policy.
I think there is room for both of our points which are:
1... the TMF counts on it's members to actively report piracy.
2...there are many sites that (unwittingly to the TMF) exists on pirated material.
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once more..
I just want to say that, as a content creator myself, I am 100 percent behind any and all anti piracy and pro copyright action.
I'd personally like to ban every user of Kazaa from ever being able to HEAR music again. If only it was possible...
I just want to say that, as a content creator myself, I am 100 percent behind any and all anti piracy and pro copyright action.
I'd personally like to ban every user of Kazaa from ever being able to HEAR music again. If only it was possible...
I don't understand this at all....... unless you produce original material...aren't you posting copyrighted material ?????
for example.....VENRAY.....he has pics on his site that he DID NOT produce.....shouldn't his link be taken off the TMF ????
I merely use VENRAY as an example of course
for example.....VENRAY.....he has pics on his site that he DID NOT produce.....shouldn't his link be taken off the TMF ????
I merely use VENRAY as an example of course
I guess what I am asking is........ what's stopping me from downloading original material from original sites.......and then starting my own tickle site and using that material ?????....assuming I don't charge money for it of course.
Thats what we are talking about here isn't it ?????
Thats what we are talking about here isn't it ?????
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milestone,
Nothing would stop you from doing what you propose in the above example. But once you posted your link, and we noticed you had member area material on your site, we'd delete your link.
If Venray has something on his site that is from a member area or a currently protected copyright item, please tell him about it, and he'll remove it. He always has.
There are a lot of images that are concidered fair game that can be used on sites. These include those used as promos for vidoes, images from some dead companies that no longer care about thier copyrights, and some older magazine and video images that the owners of have decided are so wide spread they no longer seek to protect them.
Myriads
Nothing would stop you from doing what you propose in the above example. But once you posted your link, and we noticed you had member area material on your site, we'd delete your link.
If Venray has something on his site that is from a member area or a currently protected copyright item, please tell him about it, and he'll remove it. He always has.
There are a lot of images that are concidered fair game that can be used on sites. These include those used as promos for vidoes, images from some dead companies that no longer care about thier copyrights, and some older magazine and video images that the owners of have decided are so wide spread they no longer seek to protect them.
Myriads
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hi mr myriads. i have a question. and the reason i post the question publicly is that a large number of viewers can benefit by the answer. and i myself don't know the answer so thats why im asking in the first place. 🙂Myriads said:
in your scenario above, lets say a guy posts a link to a website that is full of copyrighted material. the copyright owner notifys you. you remove the link. (we all understand this part of it. you've made it clear)
but now, what if the poster posts the same link again? and/or posts it in other sections of the TMF? you delete it again, right?
but what if the poster posts it a 3rd time, ignoring your deletions and pretty much starts toying with the moderators? what happens then?
i guess my point is, that having their link simply deleted over and over (which is extra aggravation and work for moderators) is not much of a feared punishment for them. "big deal" they'll say. all they do is delete my post? i'll keep on posting it then. takes 30 seconds or so. so myriads, how many times will you delete links from the same user, before you take harsher measures? i await your answer. thanks. take care.
