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I can't find these stories!

Skipadeedoodah

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Awhile back I remember reading a story about a girl who had live with her aunt and uncle who kept her captive and tickled her all the time. Now, I can find the ones about after she turnd 18 and escaped but I don't remember how I stumbled across the ones about when she actually lived with them. If anyone knows the link to those stories can ya post it for me? Thanks bunches guys!
 
Max'sstories..

Look in Max's section just below the "post Stories" section here and look for "Shannon" stories.😉
 
Doesn't she get tickled when shes 17 in those? I don't wanna cause any trouble, the're great stories. Maybe the stories before she was 17 were removed from the forum due to content violations, you may want to check Max's site if the're not on the TMF.
 
Politically Incorrect Tales of Tickle Torture

I have to agree that those rules are there for a reason. The shannon story happens to hold the honor or dishonor of being the most offencive story I have ever read. I don't even think we should allow an active link to that story these days. We need to police ourselves. We don't want to be associated with pediphiles and child abuse even if it is just a story.
 
While I respect your opinion, and I have always been an advocate of child rights (being a parent myself), I have to disagree on a couple of points. Now I really don't want this particular thread filling up with this dicussion. Perhaps we can start another discussion thread on this matter.

But, in brief, there are two points. One is the rules of TMF which allows links to outside sites as long as those sites are tickle-related and/or on topic (like feet).

The next, is whether a 17 1/2 year old girl is a child or a woman. Sites like Tyflas and the others that show kids under 10 being tickled, to me is exploitive. Remember that the Shannon stories are pure fiction and the only way this story worked is to address the conflict between Shannon being a mature young woman and the legal problems of being only a few months away from her freedom. If she was 18 then it wouldn't have worked. However, due to the fact that she was indeed under 18, I moved her out of this site.

In literature, there have been many stories about the sexual awakening of a woman under 18. In the movies and in books, these are treated as art. In our Community, we deal with tickling and tickle torture as fantasy. While most of us would never re-enact these fantasies, we find that healthy fantasy can do no harm.

I will leave it up to you whether you feel my stories and books are 'legit' enough to to be well-written pieces of fantasy fiction, and not just cheap exploitation of a minor.

There, now I have taken up way too much space and time. Again, Novus, I am very sorry if you are offended by this particular work of mine. I never mean to offend, only entertain.

Max
 
MaxSpeer said:
Now I really don't want this particular thread filling up with this dicussion.

I agree, just delete the thread and send Skipadeedoodah a private message containing the link.


The next, is whether a 17 1/2 year old girl is a child or a woman.

Max

Your story is not just about a 17 year old. It is a story about a lifetime of sexual abuse which is made clear with flash backs to her mistreatment when she was 13 and younger. I think your story is inappropriate even to link to.
 
Your story is not just about a 17 year old. It is a story about a lifetime of sexual abuse which is made clear with flash backs to her mistreatment when she was 13 and younger. I think your story is inappropriate even to link to.

There are no details about those incidents. It is just mentioned. And there is no mention at all of sexual abuse, just that they tickled her alot.
But, as I said before, Dude, you're entitled to an opinion.

Max
 
It is more then just mentioned from what I remember. Your story is about child abuse period.

The gay community rightfully ousted its' pediphiles and I think the tickling community should do the same. The offical rules of the TMF ban the distributing of stories and images that involve the tickling of minors. A while back there was a set of immages that were linked to that pictured a young girl (12-14) in bondage being tickled. That whole thread was promptly deleted. It was inappropriate and against TMF rules. The same is true of your story. Just last week someone was asking if it was ok to tickle his daughter along the lines of what is discribed in your story and it was deleted. You are clearly in violation of TMF rules and just because you are a Moderator does not mean you can get away with it. If I were Myriads I would remove your moderator privileges because of this.
 
I have copied your last message to the Mods so they can decide what they want to do about this matter.

In the meantime, I will ask you in a nice way to take back your accusation that I am a pediphile or you will be opening yourself up to something you do NOT want to deal with.

I have written tickling fiction for this Community for over 20 years. I am a respected member of this Community and I am a loving father of two kids. How dare you accuse me of being a pediphile!

I don't expect this thread to be on for very much longer because I believe you have taken it further than you should have by starting out with a mild protest and accusing me of something so serious that words cannort describe how I am feeling right now. I am so deeply hurt and offended by you. All I can say is that if you continue along these lines, then I will have to take this all beyond the firewall and I don't think either of us want that.

Max
 
As someone who has read this story...AND as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse...I find the mention to be fine. It gives us a view of where she stands when this story takes place. It may not be everyone's cup of tea. But, it is a literary tool that helps to identify the character. This forum has a no underage rule. Max respected that and didn't keep the story here. What he does on his own site is HIS call. I don't see him including such a comment as either abusive or exploitative. But, that's just my opinion.

Ann
 
Are you threatening me with bodily harm MaxSpeer? I don't really think you are a pediphile but I did write it get your attention. You cannot just ignore my protest and do what you want. I think your story is offencive and inappropriate and sould not be associated with the TMF. My appologies to all for starting this flame war.
 
Are you threatening me with bodily harm MaxSpeer?

I never said I was threatening you with bodily harm but your interpretation of my posts tells me the kind of person I am now dealing with.
This is now an all out flame war and it is you that have caused it. As far as I see it, you are a menace and not I to have raised these matters from a piece of fiction and a member's innocent question.

Time for a reality check. And, by the way, the Planet of the Apes...well...it's not real, it's just a movie. Now American Pie and the other teensploitation films that advocate sex with each other, adults and even apple pies, they're real.

In conclusion, I don't like you yet I have offered you nothing but respect in my early replies to you, I do not have material on this site that is against the rules. Everything that came after that is bullshit.

Max

P.S. However, I am not opposed to a little scrap with you, Novus if the situation ever presents itself.
 
Congratulations.

You got my attention.

Yelling pedophile here to get my attention is like yelling fire at the mall so you can get to the complaint counter without hassle. It's an abuse of the term, and belittles circumstances where there is a real reason for it's cry. A polite request for my attention would have worked just as well. But we took the this road, and we are now here, so lets take a look at the case.

There is a reason why we define minor as 18 and younger here. It’s not totally a legal one. It’s an arbitrary choice made by me. In the US there are a handful of states that use 18 as the age of consent. The majority of the States use 17. This includes the location of our server.
We conform to the more conservative age of 18 because trying to sort out people posting from 17 legal states from the 18 legal states would be a fools quest on the web, and there would be no way to do it. So we default to the higher age to cover all situations. It spares headaches and problems. Legal annoyances I need not. On the TMF you are an adult on your 18th birthday, like it or lump, it regardless of what your local government says.

Long ago, Max had agreed to this arbitrary choice on my part, and removed all material of his that violates the rule from the TMF, moving it to his personal site. It was appreciated. His site, his exposure, his possible legal headaches. He took personal responsibility for his material. And will deal with the responsibilities that come from his choices. As it should be.

So this issue is not a TMF one. None of the material that troubles you is here. There are not direct links to the material from here. This problem does not belong to me. But in making accusations against one of my Mod staff you created and issue that does.

You call Max a Pedophile. But there is a problem with that. In the majority of the nation, and the world also, he’s written nothing that meets the definition.

A story about a 17 and 1/2 year old is not clearly pedophilic. If it was 16 and 1/2 I’d say you have a case. But not with this age. It’s a gray. Not a black or white. Like so much about sexuality in America it’s all blurry.

I understand that many people want nice black and white sides with a solid line down the middle. Bad there, Good here. It’s not how things work. The line moves about depending on where you stand. In my state it’s at 17. Perhaps yours it is 18. What to do when a medium crosses the state line? I don't know. Congress doesn’t either. Every law they have written has gone down in constitutional flames. Technology has outpaced the law. Unless all the states can be cowed into unifying their definitions there will be no easy solution either. MY solution was arbitrary and absolute. But I can get away with that here, after all I’m the Tzar 🙂

I have no doubt that you made your posts and accusations with nothing but good intent. But you’ve gotten mired in the gray, and pulled out some seriously big weapons in an instance that is very very very undefined.

As I feel that Max has done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, and I doubt that a case could successfully be made that he has, I ask that you pursue any further issues you have with him by e-mail. This is not the place for such personal matters. And this has clearly become one once it’s placed in proper context.

Myriads
 
Apology and Conclusion

Myriads, I don't think you understand the point of my protest. I did not intend to call MaxSpeer himself a Pediphile. If it came across that way then I apologize to him and you 100% for it. I completely retract the statement.

I contend that this is a TMF issue and not a legal one. I do not care about what he writes about on his own site. It is this post and this post alone that my protest pertains to:

MaxSpeer said:

The TMF rule states:

We don't allow posts that involve any form of images or stories of an adult involved in tickling a minor. Period. Any that we find will be removed.

I beleive Max violated this rule by posting a link to a story that has a scene where a 13 year old is tickled by adults until she urinates on herself. The rule states that <B>any form</B> of stories that involve minors are not to be posted on the TMF. The link is the form and the violation. If you want to change this rule and allow for these types of posts then that is up to you because after all you are the Tzar of the TMF. All I want is a simple answere of Yes, I am going to allow this post or No, I am not going to allow this post. If it is Yes than I will leave the TMF and trouble you no more.

In closing I would just like to say I am truely sorry for all the trouble this incident has caused here. I am normally one who likes to avoid these types of conflicts. I did not intend for this to be taken as far as it was. 🙁
 
The link you provide, links to the page on Max's site that warns about adult content and so on.. proceed at your own risk etc., and is not a direct link to the story that you mentioned. So no forum link rules are broken. So that is a non issue. This continues to not be a forum problem.

But, I dug further, found and read the story you are having issue with. In the story the character is not tickled 'on screen' so to speak, as a minor. There is a statement that she was tickled until she peed herself when 13. It is not graphic, salacious, or descriptive. I class it as the sort of character development one might see in a movie where they mention that a minor was sexually abused as a child. That's not pornigraphic, nor is this. It's character building. Harsh character building, but effective. If there was a loving description of the girl beign tickle tortured until she pissed herself, we'd have an issue. There was not, so I see none here.

Do I think that the characters background could have been constructed differently to avoid this entire issue? Yes. Should Max have done it? No opinion. It's his work. His Art. His choice. Considerign the body of work he has produced, picking out one non descriptive line in one story to characterize the man is bit more then I'd feel comfortable doing. This really needs to be taken in context.

Always I appreciate your concern for the forum, the community, and it's well being. It's members who often point out problems. So even, as in this case, when there is not one, it's good to know that people are being aware and open eyed.

Myriads
 
Better late than never....

Wow. I haven't been here for about two weeks so I had no idea what was going on with my original post. I want to first apoligize for any of this trouble I may have caused. I wasn't offended by the stories the first time I read them and didn't think bringing it up would be an issue since I did in fact find them through a link on the TMF. Sorry if anyone was offended or hurt by my bringing this up to begin with.

Max I think you write great stories so don't stop even if you end up throwing a few people off their rockers.

Novus I'm sorry I brought up a subject that offended you.
 
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