If Tom Brady Didn't Get Injured What Would The NFL Standings Look Like?

[Fangz]

Ya know I just had this thought as I watched the Jets beat the Patroits last week. I mean Matt Cassel played as well as a quarterback can play and all credit to him but he is not Tom Brady. Cassel doesn't have Brady's leadership, pose and he doesn't scare opponents the way the great Tom Brady does. So if Brady doesn't mess up his...well Belichik won't tell us exactly what is wrong with him but if Brady doesn't go down what does the NFL landscape look like?
I say the Pats have one loss and every sports writer and commentator is anticipating a Super Bowl rematch. I wonder what others think?

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Nothing would have changed. After losing that Super Bowl they lost not only the game but their invisibility too. I don't see where their record would be any different.

Fact is, if you look, Cassel has looked Brady like. Especially with that throw to Moss at the end of regulation. That pass was put where ONLY the receiver can catch that ball. You can't teach that. You have to have that skill.

Maybe it was just luck, I don't know. But to me Cassel has done as well as Brady could. That is a credit to Belichick and his staff. They implimented a system that was right for Cassel.

To me, Brady is a great QB, but I think after losing the Super Bowl to the Giants the bloom may have fallen off the rose. I really don't believe that they would have a better record. That is just my opinion and I have been wrong MANY MANY times.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Nothing would have changed. After losing that Super Bowl they lost not only the game but their invisibility too. I don't see where their record would be any different.

Fact is, if you look, Cassel has looked Brady like. Especially with that throw to Moss at the end of regulation. That pass was put where ONLY the receiver can catch that ball. You can't teach that. You have to have that skill.

Maybe it was just luck, I don't know. But to me Cassel has done as well as Brady could. That is a credit to Belichick and his staff. They implimented a system that was right for Cassel.

To me, Brady is a great QB, but I think after losing the Super Bowl to the Giants the bloom may have fallen off the rose. I really don't believe that they would have a better record. That is just my opinion and I have been wrong MANY MANY times.

My very good bud , I will have to respectfully disagree. Brady makes that team go; Randy Moss isn`t nearly the same since Brady went out. And last year Moss was completely unstoppable

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

My very good bud , I will have to respectfully disagree. Brady makes that team go; Randy Moss isn`t nearly the same since Brady went out. And last year Moss was completely unstoppable

That was last year. Prior to last year, had Randy Moss put up those kinds of numbers??? No. He had not. Look at LT. He put up 32 TD's a couple of years ago. Has he approached that since??? No!!! Look at AP. Last year he ran for 296 yards in a game. Has he approached that since??? No!!! Is Randy Moss a great player??? Absolutely. Is Tom Brady a great player??? Absolutely. But you can't say they were going to put up those same numbers from a year ago. It seems unlikely.

 

[Cy/MiG]

Pats would be 0-10.

(Waiting for Maniac's response until I post FOR REAL!)

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

That was last year. Prior to last year, had Randy Moss put up those kinds of numbers??? No. He had not. Look at LT. He put up 32 TD's a couple of years ago. Has he approached that since??? No!!! Look at AP. Last year he ran for 296 yards in a game. Has he approached that since??? No!!! Is Randy Moss a great player??? Absolutely. Is Tom Brady a great player??? Absolutely. But you can't say they were going to put up those same numbers from a year ago. It seems unlikely.

you just proved my point my friend. Moss hadn`t been the real Moss until he hooked up with brady. brady elevated Moss`s play into being the dominant receiver he was when he played with pre- hurt Culpepper. Cassel isn`t capable of consistantly getting the ball downfield to Moss as Brady does.


running backs are different than QB =WR relationship. LT has the same QB that he had last year, except Rivers is putting up better numbers than last year. AP actually has a better QB in Gus Ferrotte than he had last in in Tavarus Jackson.


We have already talked on this before. No Elite QB in Brady; Pats are not the same team. Romo gets hurt; Cowboys are not same team. Peyton is hurt at beginning of year; Colts stink. Manning is getting healthy; all the sudden Colts are 6-4 and playing much better. Do we see a pattern here.



the bottom line is this. An elite QB makes his entire team better. When he goes down, that team becomes very mediocre very quickly

 

[Fangz]

Cassel has been doing well lately but his one deficiency is throwing the deep ball which happens to be Tom Brady's specialty and Randy Moss excells in catching it. Moss is frustrated this year that the horizontal game has been really in check.

 

[Cy/MiG]

That was last year. Prior to last year, had Randy Moss put up those kinds of numbers??? No. He had not. Look at LT. He put up 32 TD's a couple of years ago. Has he approached that since??? No!!! Look at AP. Last year he ran for 296 yards in a game. Has he approached that since??? No!!! Is Randy Moss a great player??? Absolutely. Is Tom Brady a great player??? Absolutely. But you can't say they were going to put up those same numbers from a year ago. It seems unlikely.

Not true. Randy had an EPIC rookie year. His next two years weren't shabby either.

And 2003 was one essentially his best until last year (and overall, probably still his best).

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MossRa00.htm

The only stat that was a personal-record for Moss last year was TD's. He didn't surpass his catches/YDS personal bests.

You're right when you say that it's unlikely he would repeat his TD total, but his REC and YDS per season total has been pretty constant (except his exile years in ChOakland)

 

[Cy/MiG]

We have already talked on this before. No Elite QB in Brady; Pats are not the same team. Romo gets hurt; Cowboys are not same team. Peyton is hurt at beginning of year; Colts stink. Manning is getting healthy; all the sudden Colts are 6-4 and playing much better. Do we see a pattern here.



the bottom line is this. An elite QB makes his entire team better. When he goes down, that team becomes very mediocre very quickly

Exactly.

Cassel is getting better and learning fast, but he's no Brady.

Most teams (WR's in particular) can't rebound [or have a hard time doing so] after the loss of a QB.

I think Pats would be rolling if they had Brady. Thanks mainly to a weak schedule.

They'd go 12-4 or better and would secure a spot in the AFC Championship game.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

you just proved my point my friend. Moss hadn`t been the real Moss until he hooked up with brady. brady elevated Moss`s play into being the dominant receiver he was when he played with pre- hurt Culpepper. Cassel isn`t capable of consistantly getting the ball downfield to Moss as Brady does.


running backs are different than QB =WR relationship. LT has the same QB that he had last year, except Rivers is putting up better numbers than last year. AP actually has a better QB in Gus Ferrotte than he had last in in Tavarus Jackson.


We have already talked on this before. No Elite QB in Brady; Pats are not the same team. Romo gets hurt; Cowboys are not same team. Peyton is hurt at beginning of year; Colts stink. Manning is getting healthy; all the sudden Colts are 6-4 and playing much better. Do we see a pattern here.



the bottom line is this. An elite QB makes his entire team better. When he goes down, that team becomes very mediocre very quickly

I actually didn't prove your point. Think about this, is Marvin Harrison who has had the same QB for the last several years ( exclude last year of course because of his injuries ) has he been putting up the same numbers??? Isn't Payton Manning an elite QB???

As far as Romo being hurt WAAAAAAAA!!!! Let's be fair, unless Romo can tackle WR's from the other team your team's problems weren't Romo. It is that hideous defense of yours. Though help is on the way. Your CRIMINAL will be back so that will help matters. Maybe he can shoot the other teams offense.

Oh, one last thing, until Romo wins a playoff game please don't put him among the elite. That is just not deserving. When Romo wins pressure games then maybe you can put him there. Not now.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

I actually didn't prove your point. Think about this, is Marvin Harrison who has had the same QB for the last several years ( exclude last year of course because of his injuries ) has he been putting up the same numbers??? Isn't Payton Manning an elite QB???

As far as Romo being hurt WAAAAAAAA!!!! Let's be fair, unless Romo can tackle WR's from the other team your team's problems weren't Romo. It is that hideous defense of yours. Though help is on the way. Your CRIMINAL will be back so that will help matters. Maybe he can shoot the other teams offense.

Oh, one last thing, until Romo wins a playoff game please don't put him among the elite. That is just not deserving. When Romo wins pressure games then maybe you can put him there. Not now.

Have I not taught you anything...

Harrison is still not completely healed ; Wayne is the elite receiver on that team. It has been that way for a year and a half.


Romo is the key to the Cowboys offense. Its that way ffor most teams that have a Pro-bowler under center. i know you hate the fact that one guy can have that much effect on a team but that is just the nature of the NFL. Many people had picked the Seahawks to win that division. Hasselback has been hurt all year and they haven`t been the same. The Dolphins get a better Qb ; when he is healthy; and they have improved. Atlanta is much better than expected this year, most of that is because of Ryan . Do we see any kind of pattern here ?

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Have I not taught you anything...

Harrison is still not completely healed ; Wayne is the elite receiver on that team. It has been that way for a year and a half.


Romo is the key to the Cowboys offense. Its that way ffor most teams that have a Pro-bowler under center. i know you hate the fact that one guy can have that much effect on a team but that is just the nature of the NFL. Many people had picked the Seahawks to win that division. Hasselback has been hurt all year and they haven`t been the same. The Dolphins get a better Qb ; when he is healthy; and they have improved. Atlanta is much better than expected this year, most of that is because of Ryan . Do we see any kind of pattern here ?

I know you were responsible for teaching me manners. Anyhow, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne regardless, I am not seeing those guys put up the numbers that the receiving corp put up in 2005 and 2006. Still the same QB. Numbers went down. That is FACT!!! You can't think for one second that Brady and Moss would have put up the same exact numbers. That is FACT!!!

Also I didn't say that Romo wasn't good. I said don't put him as an elite QB. Not yet. He is deserving of credit, he is not deserving of the title elite. The fact is the Dallas team lost not because a Romo it is because your defense couldn't catch and tackle receivers and running backs. That is also FACT!!! So while everyone blamed Brad Johnson ( including fans ) they should have blamed that deplorable defense.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

I know you were responsible for teaching me manners. Anyhow, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne regardless, I am not seeing those guys put up the numbers that the receiving corp put up in 2005 and 2006. Still the same QB. Numbers went down. That is FACT!!! You can't think for one second that Brady and Moss would have put up the same exact numbers. That is FACT!!!

Also I didn't say that Romo wasn't good. I said don't put him as an elite QB. Not yet. He is deserving of credit, he is not deserving of the title elite. The fact is the Dallas team lost not because a Romo it is because your defense couldn't catch and tackle receivers and running backs. That is also FACT!!! So while everyone blamed Brad Johnson ( including fans ) they should have blamed that deplorable defense.

just for the record

That deplorable defense is ranked 9th in the NFL. The Jets defense is ranked 15th. food for thought???

Oh yea, that deplorable defense played two games in which their 4th , 5thy and 6th cornerbacks started and were the nickel corner. Two of those guys are rookies and the other is a 2nd year player that was a 7th rd draft pick. And they also played during that time without their starting stong safety or his back up which was injured as well

 

[Fangz]

Ok guys if I could break this up with a question since I can see that you guys know your stuff... Anyway, aside from Tom Brady do you think that the Pats defense is better than last year with those new linebackers? I think you have to take into account that they are asked to win games without Brady, Moss and Welker running the score up to NBA numbers! 😛

 

[zepp3320]

Nothing would have changed. After losing that Super Bowl they lost not only the game but their invisibility too. I don't see where their record would be any different.

Fact is, if you look, Cassel has looked Brady like. Especially with that throw to Moss at the end of regulation. That pass was put where ONLY the receiver can catch that ball. You can't teach that. You have to have that skill.

Maybe it was just luck, I don't know. But to me Cassel has done as well as Brady could. That is a credit to Belichick and his staff. They implimented a system that was right for Cassel.

To me, Brady is a great QB, but I think after losing the Super Bowl to the Giants the bloom may have fallen off the rose. I really don't believe that they would have a better record. That is just my opinion and I have been wrong MANY MANY times.

I agree that they lost their invinciblity after the Super Bowl, and to be honest beginning with the Eagles game last season they never really dominated any opponent after that. However there is no way they are sitting at 6-4 with Brady at the helm. They definitely would have beaten the Colts and I expect the Jets last week (their two close losses) with Brady, so I say they would be 8-2 and would finish a top the AFC East at 13-3.

 

[Cy/MiG]

Many people had picked the Seahawks to win that division. Hasselback has been hurt all year and they haven`t been the same.

Seahawks suck because Holmgren is too conservative, Mora Jr. is an awful D coach, their D is too small and built for speed their team is too old (at QB, WR and Safety) and the O lacks playmakers (Julius Jones and John Carlson are their best threats.)

Hasselbeck's injury didn't help (Hawks have the most 3 and outs and their D is on the field more than all but 2-3 teams), but it has little or nothing to do with their massive failure.

Basically, if the hawks had H-Beck all year, they'd still only be 4-5 AT BEST.

Ok guys if I could break this up with a question since I can see that you guys know your stuff... Anyway, aside from Tom Brady do you think that the Pats defense is better than last year with those new linebackers? I think you have to take into account that they are asked to win games without Brady, Moss and Welker running the score up to NBA numbers! 😛

I don't know how good/bad the Pats D was last year. All I remember is their corps breaking down late in the year.

I think their secondary is AWFUL, but statistically, they're only giving up 19 ppg; not bad at all.

I think they still may break down come playoff time (if they get that far), but we'll have to wait and see.