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If you have seen the movie Se7en, here is the question

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Since this was inspired by poopies and footphantom, here is the question

At the end, when Brad Pitt saw his wife's head in the box, and Freeman told him if he kills John Doe, the masterpiece is complete, and he would win.... Now we all know what happened, he shoots him anyway. The question is....

If you were in that situation, would you have shot him too???

OK, you can debate now
 
I would hold him hostage, escape to Venezuela, and torture him for the rest of my life.
 
Hmm I like this thread. Good question and wow I actually feel like Se7en is blast form the past for me. I would have not shot him. Reason being that nothing would bring back my beloved wife. Though it will be hard. Seeing as it is your job to hunt down savages like kevin spacy's character. IN the heat of the moment we can easily be blinded by rage and the deadly sin of vengeance. I mean unless if I was alone in the situation. Brad pitt was lucky to have morgan freeman's voice at his side. Then again still did not work. SO to answer the question. no I would have not. (maybe if i was alone and had the killer to myself). OK so yes and no. makes sense?
 
Yes, definitely shoot him. Who cares if he "wins?"
 
MTP Jeff said:
Yes, definitely shoot him. Who cares if he "wins?"
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I understand that, but if you do shoot him, gives him the satisfaction of completing his masterpiece... if you don't shoot him, the incomplete feeling he would have would hurt more than anything else you can do to him
 
One of my all time favorite scenes “aw, what’s in the boooooox”!

I would have emptied the gun in areas with maximum pain and minimal lethality potential (and kicked him in the nuts repeatedly).
 
Well lemme answer my own question

I wouldn't shoot him because that is exactly what we wants, so why give in to him?? The masterpiece he created, was genius, and to have it incomplete would hurt him much more than anything else.

Now true, he would've gotten the death penalty, but for his remaining time left, he would have to sit and ponder that his mission was incomplete, and it would drive him crazier than anything....yes, your wife is gone, but shooting him wouldn't bring her back either...

John Doe planned on his emotions getting the better of him, and succeeded. The best way to me to deal with a cerebral assassin is to think like one
 
If I were in Brad Pitt's shoes, I probably would have emptied the clip into his face. And after all that rage for what he did to my lovely wife Gwenyth Paltrow had subsided some, I would have realized Morgan Freeman was right, and would immediately regret my decision.
 
I don't believe he would exist after death to have any satisfaction in his "success".

His success was diabolical -- live, and have the satisfaction of his exacting suffering on others be his delight, or go to his death knowing the work was complete.

If he went to prison and got the death penalty even in small part by the participation of Pitt's character, he could reinterpret it as a "success" in the "completion" aspect of the murders.

He's a movie character, though, and so has super-genius ability, so if he went to prison for life, he would escape to make a sequel -- some horrible piece of schlock, no doubt.

In order to save us all from such suffering, I'd kill him. No one likes bad sequels.
 
Capnmad said:
I don't believe he would exist after death to have any satisfaction in his "success".

His success was diabolical -- live, and have the satisfaction of his exacting suffering on others be his delight, or go to his death knowing the work was complete.

If he went to prison and got the death penalty even in small part by the participation of Pitt's character, he could reinterpret it as a "success" in the "completion" aspect of the murders.

He's a movie character, though, and so has super-genius ability, so if he went to prison for life, he would escape to make a sequel -- some horrible piece of schlock, no doubt.

In order to save us all from such suffering, I'd kill him. No one likes bad sequels.
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you're right, but upon dying though, he will have success knowing his masterpiece was complete.

This whole thing was predicated on using his emotions against him, and for that it was a success.

You could also say that if anyone wanted to copycat or study the things he's done, I guess you could call that a success too
 
I'd still be shooting him. There aren't enough bullets, I'd be up to arrows and rocks by now. Not because it would be the right thing to do, I just know myself and my emotions. I'd still be shooting him just for harming one of my babies or my partners, much less what he actually did.
 
natural tickler said:
I understand that, but if you do shoot him, gives him the satisfaction of completing his masterpiece... if you don't shoot him, the incomplete feeling he would have would hurt more than anything else you can do to him
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I hear you in theory, but frankly I don't believe you (or anyone else I know) would be thinking that logically in the heat of the moment with your true love's head in a box AND she was carrying your now never-to-be-born baby. And if you are capable of thinking that clearly under such circumstances you'd be a droid and no one would have married you anyways :neenerneener:
 
natural tickler said:
you're right, but upon dying though, he will have success knowing his masterpiece was complete.
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That assumes death will last a couple of seconds, at least, and that he still has a functioning brain to appreciate it.

The right caliber bullet, properly placed, denies him that.

Now, if he anticipated you were going to kill him, he could appreciate the matter beforehand, so I'd say pretend like you weren't going to kill him, and then, do him in.

It was an emotional success anyway -- either way, Pitt's character would be miserable. You can only diminish the killer's appreciation of that misery by killing him the right way, which means in part, by surprise. The killer will be verbally provoking Pitt's character throughout, trying to get it to come about anyway.

"Winning" comes down to interpretation in this matter. I would choose the path that involves the killer getting to appreciate his interpretation of success the least.

But then, we're talking about movie monster scenarios, and not reality. In reality, given an analogous scenario, I probably wouldn't kill him. I'm just not that sort of guy.
 
BellaRisa said:
I hear you in theory, but frankly I don't believe you (or anyone else I know) would be thinking that logically in the heat of the moment with your true love's head in a box AND she was carrying your now never-to-be-born baby. And if you are capable of thinking that clearly under such circumstances you'd be a droid and no one would have married you anyways :neenerneener:
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everyone is different under different situations, and no I am not a droid, but a cerebral assassin, which has a different way of thinking than others...

However, I think in this case, it would be easier for him to think, because either way whether you shoot him or not, she is not coming back...
 
Capnmad said:
That assumes death will last a couple of seconds, at least, and that he still has a functioning brain to appreciate it.

The right caliber bullet, properly placed, denies him that.

Now, if he anticipated you were going to kill him, he could appreciate the matter beforehand, so I'd say pretend like you weren't going to kill him, and then, do him in.
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But you know what?? when the gun was at his head, he closed his eyes like he knew death was apparent, so he had victory coming in.....the gun shots made it academic
 
Capnmad said:
Now, if he anticipated you were going to kill him, he could appreciate the matter beforehand
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I think that was the reason to have Kevin Spacey slowly close his eyes with an expression of tranquility just prior to the first shot.

Blowing out both kneecaps would have changed his expression pretty quickly and given him time to reconsider the definition of success.


natural tickler said:
But you know what?? when the gun was at his head, he closed his eyes like he knew death was apparent, so he had victory coming in.....the gun shots made it academic
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Sorry NT I was still in reply mode when you made this point.
 
Capnmad said:
I don't believe he would exist after death to have any satisfaction in his "success".

His success was diabolical -- live, and have the satisfaction of his exacting suffering on others be his delight, or go to his death knowing the work was complete.

If he went to prison and got the death penalty even in small part by the participation of Pitt's character, he could reinterpret it as a "success" in the "completion" aspect of the murders.

He's a movie character, though, and so has super-genius ability, so if he went to prison for life, he would escape to make a sequel -- some horrible piece of schlock, no doubt.

In order to save us all from such suffering, I'd kill him. No one likes bad sequels.
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Ei8ht
 
BellaRisa said:
I hear you in theory, but frankly I don't believe you (or anyone else I know) would be thinking that logically in the heat of the moment with your true love's head in a box AND she was carrying your now never-to-be-born baby. And if you are capable of thinking that clearly under such circumstances you'd be a droid and no one would have married you anyways :neenerneener:
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This is the answer for the most part. It's not a matter of weighing options and trying to deny him pleasure of his masterpiece or giving him a proper feeling of accomplishment. Pitt snapped a blew him away because he couldn't shake the images he was describing and when confronted with the conformation of truth, he was in a different place then he was even when John Doe was just talking about it. There was no weighing pros and cons. Until in that same exact situation most people really don't know what they would do. (most, not all)

Love that movie though.
 
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