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In A Few Years, The Hall Of Fame Will Be Braves And Yankees Territory

Mitchell

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With the milestones of Tom Glavine's 300th win, and Arod's 500th home run this weekend, it made me step back, and think for a second, about just how dominant the Braves and Yankees, and their players, were, for over a decade. This dominance will likely result in enshrinement for many of their members, in the Baseball Hall of Fame, five years after retirement.

For the Braves:

John Scherholtz-The brilliant GM who was the architect of the Braves fourteen straight division titles. Given the payroll cuts after 2002, the Braves run probably should have ended at eleven. Due to shrewd moves by Scherholtz, the dynasty went on for three years longer.

Bobby Cox-The man who planted the seeds for the Braves success, by trading for Smoltz, drafting winning players like Chipper, and Avery, and working all the years with Scherholtz, to create the fourteeen straight titles.

Greg Maddux- Yes, he pitched for other teams, but he had his greatest success with Atlanta, going 194-88 over his eleven years with the team.

Tom Glavine- He pitches for the hated Mets now, but went 242- 143 over sixteen years with Atlanta, and now has won his 300th game. A first ballot Hall of Famer.

John Smoltz-The only guy who has 200 wins, and 150 saves. The only other person, Dennis Eckersley, with 150 wins, and 150 saves, is already in Cooperstown.

Chipper Jones- Has been hampered by injuries, but, will finish with between 400 and 500 homers. He should get in. He won an MVP, and played for eleven division champions, and on a World Champion.

Andruw Jones. He may well finish his career elsewhere, but, at age 30, he has 363 homers. If he plays another seven or so years, he has 500 homers, plus all the Gold Gloves he wins.

For the Yankees.

Mo Rivera- He hasnt passed Trevor Hoffman yet in save numbers, and he may not, but, Mo is the most dominant relief pitcher of all time, and played on four World Champions. He's a first ballot enshrinee.

Arod-Just hit homer number 500. The youngest player to do so. If he stays healthy, I say, he stays in the game long enough to pass both Hank, and that other guy named Bonds, and may finish with 800 homers.

Derek Jeter- Maybe the best shortstop of this generation. He can hit, and hit for power, too.

Roger Clemens-Yes, he wasnt at his best when he pitched for the Yankees, but the man was still part of two world champions, and he went to the World Series four times with the Yankees. That and all his Cy Young Awards.

Randy Johnson-Again, not in his prime when with the Yankees, but he still helped them win two division titles. All his Cy Youngs, and the strikeouts.
Joe Torre- Four World Champions, ten division titles out of eleven, from 1996 to 2006, and, he has done all that working for Steinbrenner all these years.

Even though Atlanta is not as good as they used to be, and will likely have to fight for a wild card this year, as will the Yankees, it is just amazing the collection of players who played for these two teams, through these championship years. One day, all of them will likely be in Cooperstown. I dont think that we will ever, see such a collection of talent, play for teams as successful as this again.

Mitch
 
The hall is not about where you hit your prime or what milestone u hit, its what team u were with the longest and also for which team the player chooses, Look at carlton fisk, he had his best career year with the sox and played a few years longer but he had a major dispute with owner jerry reinsdorf and he went to the hall as a red sox

Arod has a good chance of goin as a mariner, clemens for the redsox and randy johnson as a diamondback or mariner
 
Goodie, I agree with you, and the players you mentioned may well go in wearing the caps of the teams you mentioned. That being said, I was pointing out that all the players mentioned, all played for the Yankees and Braves at some point, some of them for long durations, and that it is remarkable that so many players, who played on just two teams, at some point, will end up making the Hall.

Mitch
 
With the milestones of Tom Glavine's 300th win, and Arod's 500th home run this weekend, it made me step back, and think for a second, about just how dominant the Braves and Yankees, and their players, were, for over a decade. This dominance will likely result in enshrinement for many of their members, in the Baseball Hall of Fame, five years after retirement.

For the Braves:

John Scherholtz-The brilliant GM who was the architect of the Braves fourteen straight division titles. Given the payroll cuts after 2002, the Braves run probably should have ended at eleven. Due to shrewd moves by Scherholtz, the dynasty went on for three years longer.

Bobby Cox-The man who planted the seeds for the Braves success, by trading for Smoltz, drafting winning players like Chipper, and Avery, and working all the years with Scherholtz, to create the fourteeen straight titles.

Greg Maddux- Yes, he pitched for other teams, but he had his greatest success with Atlanta, going 194-88 over his eleven years with the team.

Tom Glavine- He pitches for the hated Mets now, but went 242- 143 over sixteen years with Atlanta, and now has won his 300th game. A first ballot Hall of Famer.

John Smoltz-The only guy who has 200 wins, and 150 saves. The only other person, Dennis Eckersley, with 150 wins, and 150 saves, is already in Cooperstown.

Chipper Jones- Has been hampered by injuries, but, will finish with between 400 and 500 homers. He should get in. He won an MVP, and played for eleven division champions, and on a World Champion.

Andruw Jones. He may well finish his career elsewhere, but, at age 30, he has 363 homers. If he plays another seven or so years, he has 500 homers, plus all the Gold Gloves he wins.

For the Yankees.

Mo Rivera- He hasnt passed Trevor Hoffman yet in save numbers, and he may not, but, Mo is the most dominant relief pitcher of all time, and played on four World Champions. He's a first ballot enshrinee.

Arod-Just hit homer number 500. The youngest player to do so. If he stays healthy, I say, he stays in the game long enough to pass both Hank, and that other guy named Bonds, and may finish with 800 homers.

Derek Jeter- Maybe the best shortstop of this generation. He can hit, and hit for power, too.

Roger Clemens-Yes, he wasnt at his best when he pitched for the Yankees, but the man was still part of two world champions, and he went to the World Series four times with the Yankees. That and all his Cy Young Awards.

Randy Johnson-Again, not in his prime when with the Yankees, but he still helped them win two division titles. All his Cy Youngs, and the strikeouts.
Joe Torre- Four World Champions, ten division titles out of eleven, from 1996 to 2006, and, he has done all that working for Steinbrenner all these years.

Even though Atlanta is not as good as they used to be, and will likely have to fight for a wild card this year, as will the Yankees, it is just amazing the collection of players who played for these two teams, through these championship years. One day, all of them will likely be in Cooperstown. I dont think that we will ever, see such a collection of talent, play for teams as successful as this again.

Mitch
Problem with your thought on Yankees and Braves. If you are putting Roger " the mercenary " in as a Yankee and he spent five years with the Yankees. You talk about Roger winning two World Series with the Yankees. Those teams CARRIED him to World Series rings. Or do you forget the way Pedro manhandled Roger in game 3 of the ALCS as Fenway Park in 1999 when Roger lost 13-1. And Randy Johnson only two years with the Yankees and the Yankees fans booed him right out of town. Heck Tom Glavine did MORE for the Mets than either Roger Dodger or Randy " my back hurts " Johnson. At least he competed and won post season games for the Mets. Clemens got a gift to pitch when the Yankees were up 3-0 on that Braves team. Clemens never had to pitch in all situations as a Yankee. Glavine took his lumps here at Shea and pitched with heart and guts. Something Clemens or Johnson wouldn't know anything about while pitching in New York. Glavine will win a World Series this year. Why??? Because he really wants it for the Mets and himself. I think he will, in fact, impose his will on this team and that will be Tom Glavine's legacy as a Met. Glavine is a Brave but Glavine ( and I said this when I wanted him on this team in 2003 ) is a Met too!!!. I have been a HUGE Glavine supporter. That is why I was happy he came to New York. And even though he will probably retire at the end of this year, I really hope he will stay for another two to three years. He is a great guy and a great pitcher. By the way, I saw 8 Glavine wins at Shea Stadium when he was a Brave. I saw 12 Tom Glavine wins at Shea Stadium when he pitched for the Mets including win # 299 against Pittsburgh. I also saw a Tom Glavine win out in Los Angeles against the Dodgers. I have been a big fan of his. He is BETTER than Clemens and he is BETTER than Johnson. That is just my opinion.
 
Goodie, I agree with you, and the players you mentioned may well go in wearing the caps of the teams you mentioned. That being said, I was pointing out that all the players mentioned, all played for the Yankees and Braves at some point, some of them for long durations, and that it is remarkable that so many players, who played on just two teams, at some point, will end up making the Hall.

Mitch

Not really, it shows how a team can buy talent, you look at those players and ask yourselves how many were brought up in the system or became giants with the team
 
4u, I see your point. You mentioned Glavine winning a World Series this year. I think that's a bit premature. First off, there are a few teams in the NL that might have something to say about that. I'm also not convinced about the Mets starting pitching. Really, beyond John Maine, it is a question mark. Glavine is up and down. We don't know when Pedro will return, or how effective he will be. The Mets are one game under 500 over the last two months. This season has been much like the one they had in 1988. They had a hot start, to get off to the good lead. Other teams faltered, and they used that to get ahead. We remember what happened to that team. Bounced out in the NLCS, by a really inferior Dodgers team. Right now, unless the Yankees catch them, my pick to win the WS would be the Red Sox. They've been huge all year. As for the Mets, I think, that unless the Braves beat them today, and get hot, the Mets will probably win the East.
It will be an interesting last seven weeks, suffice to say.

Mitch
 
Mitchell, your homerism blinds you sir. Chipper Jones and Andruw Jones will never get into the Hall of Fame unless they buy tickets. Chipper has been very good at times but his numbers just don't support it. Andruw while making a mark as a very good defensive player doesn't have the offensive numbers to get especially with a debatable MVP award.
 
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