Indians

[Joe98]

I was wondering if the Indians are interested in tickling. Has that ever been part of thier customs or culture? I've read about them in history books and I watch the history channel. I never saw any information about that. I've never even seen it in a movie, of course movies aren't always acurate. I had this fantasy about an Indian village a few hundred years ago. There's a woman wearing only a head band and short pants. They put a blanket on the ground, drive 4 stakes in and tie her to it. One of them says "Today we honor our ancesters and I'm sure they're watching." Then he starts tickling her.

 

[Ticklish9's]

Not so far as I know...

I'm part Delaware and to the best of my knowledge none of the tribes located in the northeast incorporated tickling in any major way into their rituals or rites. However, the diversity among tribes in North America was great, and it may well be that there is such a ritual among tribes elsewhere. I would say the tickling in me comes from the Irish side. 🙂

 

[TicklingDuo]

As one who has studied many of the North American nations over the years, I have never seen this in anything other than fictional writings. TERRIBLE waste of all those feathers! LOL

Ann

 

[dvnc]

Ahem.
Indians are from India.
The various tribes on the North and South American continents aren't Indians. Each tribe has a name, or you can go the easy route and call them Native Americans. Personally, I prefer Huron over Native American, and I've not met someone with Native blood that preferred Native American OR Indian, fwiw.

From the North American tribes, I've not read of anything other than where it's used as flirtacious gestures among youths. From what I understand of mine, that was it's usage. Flirting, and playing with babies.

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[Ticklish9's]

I've got Native American blood. But I just call it Indian. If I need to differentiate (e.g., for someone from another country - most particularly, India) then I will use the term I picked up in Washington DC that Indians (from India) use, which is Red Indian. Do I lack pride? Nah, but Native American is such a pain in the ass to say and type, and it seems like such a nod to political correctness. Screw government. 🙂

Indian of the American kind, but really mostly Irish. 🙂

 

[TicklingDuo]

dvnc is correct

Most nations who still follow their national heritage don't like to be called Native Americans. As one of the leaders at this year's national gathering stated...(paraphrased)"Someone of German descent, born in the US is a native American; someone of Irish descent, born in the US is a native American; We are independant nations. We are Lakotah, Ute, Huron, Deleware and Mohawk. We are proud of who we are."

Now, back to those lovely feathers.....

Ann

 

[red indian]

White man speak with forked tongue

Well its mighty nice of you guys to start taking an interest in the social interaction and sexual proclivities of me and my mates but where was all this anthropological concern when you were kicking my sorry ass all the way to wounded knee?

(note for moderators:- This is a joke)

 

[tcrewme]

Hey I am Delaware Indian too!!!

Hey Ticklish 9's,
I am also part Delaware Indian. Although you would never know it...
I believe my great,great grandmother was an Indian Delaware Princess if memory(and dads stories) holds.
I never knew anyone else who claimed to be Delaware Indian, just cool...and a tickler/lee too...hmmm Maybe that's where I got this wonderful fetish...

 

[ktickler]

PC

The local inhabitants of South American countries before the Spanish and Portuguese invaded or colonized the areas were and are called “Indios”, which translated to English is Indians. Even though they belong to separate tribes and have different customs, Indios is a generic term that encapsulates all the groups.

People from India are mostly called “Indúes”, which has to do a lot with the Hindu religion, but at least people know that you are not referring to the religion but the group of people from the country. Purist may attempt to say Indios from India, but it gets too complicated.

This whole PC movement in the USA is such a pain in the neck. I remember the times were you could refer to ethnic groups as White, Indian, Black, Asian and Arab. White would include everybody who was not an Indian, Black, Asian or Arab. Nowadays, we have to look into our family heritage and figure out with category we belong to, e.g., “I am White Asian American with a touch of Irish and 10% African from my grandmother’s side”. What’s the point?

Anyway, I digress; I guess it touched a sensitive fiber…

As for the original question, I do not know of any specific rituals or activities that American Indians or any other Indians, for that matter, engage into. I can only think that foot tickling is probably not in their top priorities as some of them walk barefoot in the woods most of the time. 🙂

Knight Tickler

 

[dvnc]

Re: White man speak with forked tongue

Well its mighty nice of you guys to start taking an interest in the social interaction and sexual proclivities of me and my mates but where was all this anthropological concern when you were kicking my sorry ass all the way to wounded knee?

(note for moderators:- This is a joke)

ROFL! Hee hee, thanks, red. Double thanks for the note at the bottom, which actually got me laughin' harder!

To all - it ain't about PC. It's about accuracy, for many, and insulting terminology, for some. My tribe got ran up into Canada, and the only way I'm ever gonna be able to see them is to LEAVE the US. Mind ya, I ain't a great fan o' Michigan weather, so it ain't like I'm askin' for it back, or anything. Just mentionin' that I ain't Indian. I'm Huron, amongst other things. We don't refer to those of English, French and German as "white folk" everywhere, but there ARE cultures here that do.

What's in a name? Enough to cause pain. I'll ask this - if you don't care what you call me, is it okay for me not to worry about what I call you?

Makes a different perspective, with such rhetoric, no? When some of African descent is called by a common colloquialism from the 1800s, by someone that's white, there can be brawls started. Mayhem. Do all of the Japanese, Chinese, Laotian, and other nationalities dig bein' lumped in as Asian? How about everyone of Middle Eastern descent, given to being called Arabic or Indian? I've a Pakistani friend who's siblings get near violence from such.

Some folks don't sweat being called Native Americans. Some Americans mind NOT being considered native, when their families have been here since the 1700s. It's perspective. When y'know that some are bothered by such, and you do it anyway, you've made a declaration of deliberate insult.

Somethin' t'think about,

dvnc

 

[Strelnikov]

Call me whatever you want, so long as you don't call me late for dinner.

The PC business grinds on me too. I'm a generic White guy. My ancestors were Amerind, English, French, German, Irish, Polish, Russian, Scots, just to name the most recent. Further back, I'm sure I could claim Picts, Britons, Danish and Norse Vikings, Noble Romans, Mongols and Huns. I'm none of those things. I was born here, so I won't give up the term Native American to anyone - not even you, DVNC.

You've self-defined as a Huron. I tell people that I'm a Polack. We're still Native Americans, both of us.

Strelnikov

 

[dvnc]

*blink* Damn. Now I can't decide whether to agree to disagree, when in fact I actually agree, while disagreeing with some of it, or...

Aw, hell's bells, Strel, your argument stands well, man. I dig the notion of Native American as a citizen's status. I ain't for takin' it. I LIKE your idea, that it's any American's status, if born here. I also dig that I'm mixed ancestry. I just don't like the pidgeon-holin' o' any part o' my family. I don't particularly dig the English-based heritage, mostly 'cause that side was mean as junkyard dogs, and I dig the Huron side, 'cause they were kind folk, which is why they ain't in the US anymore.

I don't even wanna THINK about goin' farther back. The Engish side has extra, as likely does the Huron, the Norwegian side's largely somethin' I don't know, and the French side's a mystery.

Again, it ain't political, my debating compatriot, and thus ain't political correctness to ask that I not have my heritage hyphenated or added to "American." Like you, I'm American. I prefer that.

OTOH, my family has a whole bunch o' heritage, much as does yours, and that ain't somethin' I want highlighted in my nationality. I'm American. My faith is Huron, though. This dives back into THAT thread, and I vote we keep that over there.

Heritage versus nationality is a wiley enough deal already. Great post, though. I'm gettin' t'where I enjoy it more when you don't agree than when y'do. 😉

dvnc

 

[kyle]

Ahem.
Indians are from India.
The various tribes on the North and South American continents aren't Indians. Each tribe has a name, or you can go the easy route and call them Native Americans. Personally, I prefer Huron over Native American, and I've not met someone with Native blood that preferred Native American OR Indian, fwiw.

From the North American tribes, I've not read of anything other than where it's used as flirtacious gestures among youths. From what I understand of mine, that was it's usage. Flirting, and playing with babies.

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the multicultured dvnc

dvnc.. A liberal.. oh no, he couldn't be.

 

[ktickler]

Now we are getting somewhere

I agree with separating Heritage from Nationality. If you are born in a country, you are from that country, e.g., German, Italian, French, German, Venezuelan, Ecuatorian, etc. Your long family history brings to the mix what your identity, ideals, morals, and customs are.

However, in every country there are people who could be White, Black, Indian, Asian or Arabic based on their heritage and beliefs. Does it make sense to "categorize" them. Not really, from my point of view. What do I care as a citizen to know that 25% of the population is of Arabic descent? If everybody is treated with the same dignity and respect, why would that make a difference?

However, we do need generic group identifiers for social conversation. If I see a guy with skin white as milk walking by, I should by able to refer to him a the White guy walking down the street. Why is that bad? Do I need to know that his family came from Ireland and that his great-grand mother was from Germany? Do I have to refer to him as the Irish-German-American guy?

Black people do not like to be called Negroes because that word was used in a disrespectful manner for a long time (even now). However, if the word was never used to insult anybody, do you think it would still have this negative stigma?

Referring to a Black person born in the United States as African-American does not make sense for two reasons:
1. They were not born in Africa.
2. There are white folks in Africa as well.
What is wrong with Black?

If you go to Spanish-speaking countries, the word used for people or darker color skin is "Negros", which is literally the name of the color. They are darker because they have African slaves blood in their veins, but they are by no means Africans. It would be the day when somebody would be called African-Venezuelan. Not in my lifetime, I hope.

And one more thing (just to stir things up a little), the United States is also known as America. Hence, citizens of this country are known as Americans. However, please consider the fact that many countries around the world do not see North and South America as two separate continents. For them, America is the whole American continent, which includes North, Central and South subdivisions. For those countries, American refers to any person born in any country in the America the continent.

Sadly enough, the English language does not provide a way to refer to people who are born in the United States of America the same way you do with other countries, e.g., Canadian, French, Italian, to name a few. In Spanish, the USA is known as "Estados Unidos de Norteamérica". Citizens of the USA are known as "Estadounidenses" or "Norteamericanos". Hence, it makes sense to talk about "Americanos" as people of "America" the continent.

You can never be perfectly PC. You will always piss somebody off. School and Family should be able able to make you understand that there are other countries and cultures around the world that have different customs. People should just accept the fact that this difference is the basis for civilization as we know it, and they should be able to accept that not everyone knows about you and your background. If I am from the Island of Borneo, I would not expect every one to know that it is formed by three independent nations (can you name them) 🙂. People should be able to interact with other people without the fear of insulting them due to ignorance. We should be able to treat people with dignity and respect regardless (both ways).

I just think that too much awereness and PC-like behavior is an invitation to prejudice.

Well, this got a little long.

Thanks for reading,

Knight Tickler

 

[Strelnikov]

"...invitation to prejudice."

The USG is one of the most PC employers you'll ever see. They "celebrate" various heritage recognition months so that no one feels left out, except of course the Whites and Multiracials. The definitions are based on Census Bureau classifications, so the results are sometimes ludicrous.

"Hispanic" - Spaniards and everyone from south of the Rio Grande, including Brazilians whose culture is descended from the Portuguese.

"Native American" - Original peoples of North America and the Aleutian Islands. The south-of-the-border Indios get lumped in with the Hispanics.

"Asian and Pacific Islander" - Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian, Pakistani, Afghan, the various Turkic peoples of Central Asia, Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos, Polynesians, and many others. However, actual Turks are White, as are our friends from Australia and NZ.

Incidentally, White is defined as "the original peoples of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East". Most Moors won't pass the paper bag test, because of the long standing trading connection with Equatorial Africa. Original when? The 5th Century?

Your tax dollars at work, a lot more than DVNC's $0.02.

Strelnikov

 

[shark]

Other than to post this acknowledgment of Strel's post,I'm not saying a word.......

 

[dvnc]

LOL!

Strel, my tax dollars BETTER do more than, $0.02, brother. 😉

I'm just laughin' long and hard about Kyle quotin' my WHOLE previous post, just to make a teeny little barb about his perception of me as liberal. I find that amusin'. Poor shark seems a might shy of commentary, but he DID acknowledge ya, at least.

Funnier still are two friends o' mine from Brazil. They hate bein' called Hispanic, and one of 'em swears he's not got a drop o' Portugeuse blood. Those kids are rather over-assertive about their local heritage, yet they hold to Brazilian as well as I do to Americano. It's how they chose to be identified that matters to me.

It's interestin' t'watch the responses in this thread. I'll take the easier path, and choose to respect each person for their declared heritage AND their declared nationality. Ain't found that so difficult thus far.

The same $0.02,

dvnc

 

[Fetishshaman]

Now I wonder if the Indians from India are interested in tickling, anyone got any tk info on that culture?

 

[Strelnikov]

Used to be an East Indian site that came up with a global search for "tickling". It was mostly standard-issue BDSM porn, with a little tickling in the mix. I think our Indian friends are at the same stage of development now, that we were 30 years ago.

Strelnikov

 

[Ticklish9's]

Lenni Lenape

The traditional name for the Delaware Tribe, Lenni Lenape. Inherited the blood from my father's side, though I'm mostly Irish. Perhaps we're related, Tcrewme! Hehehe...out of curiousity, are you a 'Ler or a 'Lee? I'm pretty evenly divided but if I had to choose I'd say 'Lee; maybe there is a general trend among those of us with Delaware blood. Just curious anyway. 🙂

And Borneo has Indonesia and Malaysia on it, but I don't know the third. 🙂

 

[tcrewme]

I am a tickler...

Hey Ticklish9's,
That is really weird. My Lenni Lenape comes from my father's side as well and I am almost 75% Irish. Geez, maybe we are related...
Anyway, I am tickler who is not ticklish.
Chat later 9's

 

[Strelnikov]

Borneo

The third is the Sultanate of Brunei.

Strelnikov

 

[Ticklish9's]

I wasn't gonna post today, just view and run....

but we all know how often that actually works. Perhaps there is a familial connection there somewhere...when did your Irish ancesters show up over on this side of the pond? Perhaps tickling is a dominant gene in the Delaware DNA. As for being so ticklish, I guess that comes from the Irish side. 🙂

And thanks for the last country, Strel, that had been driving me crazy all day. Time was, I knew all that geographical stuff...back in the good old days, before the number of countries to remember doubled....

 

[tcrewme]

I know the feeling....

Umm, my Irish side came over in the late 1920's, right before the depression(I think).
The Indian side is way deep, because she was my grandmother grandmother...
Anyway...

 

[Strelnikov]

Countries hell...

Since I was in school, the number of PRESIDENTS to remember has doubled!

(Well, not quite...but there have been a few.)

Strelnikov