Interesting conflict at AMT

[drew70]

There's a somewhat amusing conflict going on at the tickling newsgroup alt.multimedia.tk involving Foot Paradise and FemFeet. Check it out:

http://groups.google.com/[email protected]

 

[WallStreet]

I don't recall TIB or TC Videos ever accusing any particular person with the crime of hacking. They simply announced that they were hacked. Perhaps I stand corrected on this.

 

[drew70]

I don't recall TIB or TC Videos ever accusing any particular person with the crime of hacking. They simply announced that they were hacked. Perhaps I stand corrected on this.

No, you are correct. TC never accused FP of hacking. The error lies in FP's misassociation of certain AMT identities who have made this accusation.

 

[Fetter]

i don't know anything about news groups. is it just a simplified message board?

 

[milagros317]

This makes me glad that TMF is a moderated forum. And thanks to our moderators for the excellent job that they do.

 

[sole seeker]

...thanks to our moderators for the excellent job that they do.

AMEN!

 

[drew70]

i don't know anything about news groups. is it just a simplified message board?

Dude, you are missing out! Not only is it a discussion board, but tons of multimedia gets posted there as well. I'm talking pictures, stories and film clips of all gender orientations. And best of all, there is no moderation! You can say what you want without the shadow of censorship looming constantly overhead. 🙂

 

[AffectionateDan]

Missing out, my @$$... sheesh

Dude, you are missing out! Not only is it a discussion board, but tons of multimedia gets posted there as well. I'm talking pictures, stories and film clips of all gender orientations. And best of all, there is no moderation! You can say what you want without the shadow of censorship looming constantly overhead. 🙂

Yeah, missing out on every jackass with the morals of a two year old child spewing venom over the internet, and spammers jamming it with totally unrelated ads for their garbage, not to mention the psychos who post under multiple screen names. Get a life! I for one am damned GLAD we have a mediated forum that those assholes can't ruin. Censorship? If you wanna post crap that you're afraid will be "censored", feel free to change the channel. I can't believe you had the nerve to post that in the very forum you're trashing about it. Some people's children.

 

[daryl]

That's why there's choice in the world, my man. I would much rather have "the shadow of censorship looming" than have to wade thru the rants and threats and general childishness.

The moderators here do a damned good job, and the fact that a discussion like this can go on shows how slow they are to censor.

Dude, you are missing out! Not only is it a discussion board, but tons of multimedia gets posted there as well. I'm talking pictures, stories and film clips of all gender orientations. And best of all, there is no moderation! You can say what you want without the shadow of censorship looming constantly overhead. 🙂

 

[tickler_n_black]

I don't recall TIB or TC Videos ever accusing any particular person with the crime of hacking. They simply announced that they were hacked.

correct. we've never named any names. we still don't know who did it.

 

[BellaRisa]

That's why there's choice in the world, my man. I would much rather have "the shadow of censorship looming" than have to wade thru the rants and threats and general childishness.

The moderators here do a damned good job, and the fact that a discussion like this can go on shows how slow they are to censor.

My thoughts exactly. I prefer not to compare AMT and TMF, both have their attributes; from my observations where you spend most of your time depends on how vital you find insults and mean-spiritedness mixed in with your threads for the sake of total freedom. I find similar converations on each, but one is a good deal more...volatile, shall we say. Conversations rapidly disintegrate, because debates quickly shift from the original topic to who can out-nasty the last person. Not really a place for adults, but amusing on occasion. On the other board, if one focuses on the topic, rather than the character of those with whom one disagrees, you can discuss what you like and moderation won't be a factor, as it hasn't been for most of us who post there. Frankly, if you can't express yourself and your point of view without personal put-downs and flames...perhaps moderation is the least of your worries

 

[kurchatovium]

False accusations and conflict on the AMT who ever would have guessed it. I'm glad we have this moderated forum and don't have to put up with this garbage. Thanks to all the moderators.

 

[amk714]

I'll take the TMF over the AMT any day. 😎

 

[Krokus]

Hm...

AMT is fun as hell, but I prefer TMF...easily.

 

[Oddjob0226]

There's a Yahoo Group for Mistress Valarie, who posts here on the TMF. Her Yahoo Group got mail bombed recently.

 

[drew70]

Can you feel the love?

Yeah, missing out on every jackass with the morals of a two year old child spewing venom over the internet, and spammers jamming it with totally unrelated ads for their garbage

Dan, where's the affection, buddy? There's more venom in your first sentence than a month of AMT posts. Of course spammers hit all newsgroups regularly. Bob Hare along with a few others of us diligently "nuke" them at every opportunity, making AMT the most spam-free group in Usenet. And if you are really that sensitive that you can't overlook the unruly posts without being personally impacted, filters make it possible to ignore topics or people one might not care for.

not to mention the psychos who post under multiple screen names.

Interesting (and somewhat ironic) choice of words, considering the handle of the TMF's founder. Are multiple screen names that much of a threat to decent conversation or the posting of quality tickling multimedia?

Get a life!

That hurts, Dan. That really hurts. And here I thought we had a connection...two shining knights in the brotherhood of tickling, that's you and me, Dan...or so I thought.

I for one am damned GLAD we have a mediated forum that those assholes can't ruin.

I'm sure all the mediators like yourself feel that way, Dan. Assholes? I daresay AMT has it's share, just like any Usenet forum. I've learned to live with the fact that not all Internet users are blessed with the fair speach and common courtesy of those at the TMF such as Dodger and Neutron.

Censorship? If you wanna post crap that you're afraid will be "censored", feel free to change the channel.

I do "change the channel" regularly, in fact. Without being candid, let me say that I've not seen many posts from you at AMT. Perhaps you should "change the channel" every now and then as you counsel me to do. It's all part of "getting a life" as I'm sure you are no doubt aware.

I can't believe you had the nerve to post that in the very forum you're trashing about it. Some people's children.

Oh please. Enough drama already. I wasn't trashing the TMF. I just don't like censorship. I've got a problem when a person or "inner circle" decides that their views on what is acceptable or not acceptable should prevail. It's nothing personal. I've got no grudges with the folks doing the moderating. I hold them in a high regard, even you, dispite the uncharacteristic tone of your response. It's just my belief that the TMF would be a better place without the censorship. It's just an opinion, so relax. Dispite my distaste towards censorship, I've found that the TMF has too many cool people to abandon, so I've learned to live with it. And until such opinions are censored I'll continue to express them if it's all the same to you. Have a nice day.

 

[guitman69]

What exactly are you afraid of being censored for? What do you want to say here that the mods won't let you?

We keep hearing this come up every once in a while, both here and on AMT, "The TMF is evil because they censor us!" The only thing I've seen cenored is the childish name calling that occurs so much on the internet.

You're not even using the term censorship correctly. Cencoring speech means that you can't hear it, ANYWERE. When a certain group decides they don't want to hear something, that's not censorship, that a choice. When a group of people try to keep YOU from hearing it, that's censorship.

When China stopped access to certain internet news sites, that's censorship.

When a religous group tries to make pornography, or certain types of music illeagal, that's censorship.

A group of people banding together, who have a common interest, and don't want to listen to a bunch of immature idiots calling each other names, is not censorship. It's a choice.

I check out the AMT every once in a while, and all that's been going on for the last couple of weeks are arguments and name calling, all centered around the hackings that have been happening, and the accusations surrounding them. There have only been a few movies posted.


I'm not saying there isn't a place for the AMT, nor am I saying that no one should go there, but I won't post there. And that's just my choice.

 

[BigJim]

Re: Can you feel the love?

Bob Hare along with a few others of us diligently "nuke" them at every opportunity, making AMT the most spam-free group in Usenet.

You do Drew? I never knew that, I'm impressed. It's a shame that there's not an equally dilligent group that exists soley for the purpose of nuking no-life arseholes, who exist soley to destroy channels of communication between like-minded individuals; for no better reason than that they find it hysterically funny to do so.


And to think.......this sort of person really believes that WE need to get a life. Such a relief that this sort of person's opinion of password protected chat being a community killer, was less accurate than Stevie Wonder wielding a Colt Python isn't it? 😀😀😀

 

[BigJim]

Oh and before I forget, nice to see that Scabrielle is still as predictable as a Floridian electoral ballot with her random outbursts isn't it? ****** ******. *








* Based on observation of various rants said company/woman/thing has done in the past. This has been well documented in many TMF threads and hopefully this brief but needed legal adendum, will be enough to prevent any deletion or other mod-eration.

 

[drew70]

What exactly are you afraid of being censored for? What do you want to say here that the mods won't let you?

I'd tell you but I'm afraid that if I do, it'll be censored. Just kidding. Actually it's got nothing to do with fear, it's just that I hold the free speech thing as something sacred. To deny freedom of speech seems un-American to me. Yes, I know this is an international community, but I've grown up with American values ingrained in me since an early age. I can't help but feel revulsion at the concept of censorship.

We keep hearing this come up every once in a while, both here and on AMT, "The TMF is evil because they censor us!" The only thing I've seen cenored is the childish name calling that occurs so much on the internet.

Not to belabor the obvious but how would you or any of us know exactly what's been deleted, unless it was something that you posted yourself that came up missing later? How would you know what you've missed because it was deleted before you ever saw it?

You're not even using the term censorship correctly. Cencoring speech means that you can't hear it, ANYWERE. When a certain group decides they don't want to hear something, that's not censorship, that a choice. When a group of people try to keep YOU from hearing it, that's censorship.

I looked up "censor" at dictionary.com. In it's noun form the primary definition is:

A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.

Isn't that what the moderators do? In its transitive verb form it says

To examine and expurgate which means To remove erroneous, vulgar, obscene, or otherwise objectionable material from (a book, for example) before publication.

Again I'm thinking TMF moderating.

A group of people banding together, who have a common interest, and don't want to listen to a bunch of immature idiots calling each other names, is not censorship. It's a choice.

It's a choice made for us by the people in charge. In other words, censorship. That's not just my word for it, but that's the word used by the Tzar himself. If you don't believe me, just go to the TMF Rules and Announcements section, and read the last paragraph of THE GOLDEN RULE post.

I check out the AMT every once in a while, and all that's been going on for the last couple of weeks are arguments and name calling, all centered around the hackings that have been happening, and the accusations surrounding them. There have only been a few movies posted.

Since December 1st there have been 18 clips posted to AMT, and that's not counting the reposts. No wonder you're soured on AMT. You're missing out on a lot of good stuff. I can recommend a good news server if you're interested, but something tells me you're not.

I'm not saying there isn't a place for the AMT, nor am I saying that no one should go there, but I won't post there. And that's just my choice.

Suit yourself, pal. Lurkers are just as welcome as posters. Many people here at the TMF feel it's superior to AMT because it's a moderated forum. That attitude astounds me. It's like prefering the Readers Digest version of a book rather than the complete edition. But in spite of the censorship, I still dig the TMF. Why? It's the people! That's what makes the TMF a cool place to hang out, not the censorship policies. I understand and appreciate that it's no easy job and the moderators are only trying to provide a "flame free" environment. But the line between a flame and a disagreement can be a very blurred one, depending on the language used. It's ultimately self-defeating for a discussion forum to curb on-topic discussion because some people might be offended by it. Just my opinion.

 

[venray]

If freedom of speech=the right to bash others, call them names, and out and out tell lies about them just for the sake of doing so and to get off on it in the process, then the AMT is definitely the place to be. Just look at the subjects there, MOST of which do not relate to the topic of the group other than the wonderful multimedia that many cant download anyway because of the way in which the group was set up.

Sorry, freedom of speech does NOT give one the right to spread lies, name call, or treat others poorly. That is NOT what that right is meant to do. Cant see how anyone can defend that. As it has already been pointed out, the Mods here do not stop ANY topic from being discussed in a civil matter. It is when name-calling or out and out lies are being told, that the Mods delete or lock threads,and even then it is done not by one person, but by the group.

My humble opinion.

Ray

 

[46and2]

I view AMT alot like I view the Jerry Springer Show: so much name calling and fighting takes place that you lose focus on what the disagreement was about to begin with. The moment you post something
that the majority disagrees with, you are saturated with insults, belittlement, and character assasination(I'm not saying that doesn't happen on the TMF sometimes....[Ahem].....in this thread for instance, but the frequency is rare to say the least, the mods do their job well). In a way I feel more censored at the AMT then I do at the TMF. Here I can post an opinion that the majority might not agree with....hell, they may not even like me for it...but we learn from each other even if we don't part as friends. If were not trying too see the other persons point of view, why voice an argument in the first place? I'm not saying that AMT should be moderated, some people like hurling insults and live for creating drama and I respect that (honestly), nor am I saying that all who post there have this attitude, but a signifigant portion of them do. Those who have no desire to be harrassed take their business here. There is a place for both. Just my opinion.

-Phil

P.S-I've come to trust the moderators here enough for them not to delete a post on the basis of opinion, alot of the discussions that are allowed to take place have proven that to me.

 

[BellaRisa]

Actually it's got nothing to do with fear, it's just that I hold the free speech thing as something sacred. To deny freedom of speech seems un-American to me. I can't help but feel revulsion at the concept of censorship. Not to belabor the obvious but how would you or any of us know exactly what's been deleted, unless it was something that you posted yourself that came up missing later? How would you know what you've missed because it was deleted before you ever saw it?

Many people here at the TMF feel it's superior to AMT because it's a moderated forum. That attitude astounds me. It's like prefering the Readers Digest version of a book rather than the complete edition. I understand and appreciate that it's no easy job and the moderators are only trying to provide a "flame free" environment. But the line between a flame and a disagreement can be a very blurred one, depending on the language used. It's ultimately self-defeating for a discussion forum to curb on-topic discussion because some people might be offended by it. Just my opinion.

First, let me say again: I'd rather not discuss superiority, both forums have their place and their devotees. Diversity is the spice of life.

Having said that, I have a hard time with the censorship here being seen as denial of free speech. To me, it's only denial if you can't say it anywhere, at all. You're free to say whatever you want exactly how you want-but if you want to say it here it needs to be without insult, or you can 'take your business elsewhere' if you really can't express yourself without fear or deletion. I know of very few places in America where you can behave in a destructive manner without being asked to behave or leave, freedom must not be confused with anarchy.

Furthermore, if you find that your post was deleted you can always write to any of the mods and ask how to be heard, and they'll be happy to help you. As for knowing what's missing, everything I've ever written went up immediately for all to see, not through the moderators first. To my knowledge posts have to be noticed and reported before being edited or removed, which takes away the 'Big Brother' omnipresence that some accuse the mods of having. I've seen several posters mention in later posts that they had something edited or deleted, with discussion as to why that included input from the mods-and every single time it was because of flamelike wording, not the actual topic. Nastiness and random cruelty are supressed here, not ideas-that's the reason for the forum. We know the mods, we've partied with some of them at gatherings-they have nothing to hide and are far from prudish, it takes a lot to make them remove a post.

As has often been said, we have freedom of speech but we cannot just yell "FIRE!!" in a movie theatre. It serves no purpose other than being disturbing while amusing the yeller. This forum was created so that we could enjoy the movie without the yelling dude, who's free to go and yell elswhere. He can even go away and yell about how we won't let him yell-then scurry back and enjoy the movie they provided for him, which I find amusing 🙄

Rather than Reader's Digest to a complete book, I see it as comparing a clean restaurant to a place where a rat can come sit in your bowl and no one will care. If you're the type to gripe because you need to wear shoes and a shirt in the clean place, perhaps the Rats-R-Us joint is more suited to your tastes-and that's what I find astounding. But, if freedom-laden rodent droppings in your appetizer are the price for happiness, more power to you.

On that blurry line between flame and disagreement: It's easy, just stay on topic instead of resorting to insult, and give your opinion without belittling others. Why is that so difficult for some folks? Of *course* it depends upon the language used: the line between "I disagree" and " I disagree you dumbass" is quite clear to me, along with "I really like M/F" vs "F/F is for perverts". Freedom of speech doen't mean freedom to judge and call names like a 5th grader, and if the censorship here makes even one person THINK to make himself understood without foulness and pettiness, hallelujah.

Self defeating? Perhaps, but the number of members grows by the minute and includes those 'revulsed' by the moderating. May every decent forum defeat itself so successfully 😉 .

Bella

 

[Haltickling]

drew70

Bella, Venray, and others have already brought forward most of the pro-TMF arguments. Let me just add this:

But in spite of the censorship, I still dig the TMF. Why? It's the people! That's what makes the TMF a cool place to hang out, not the censorship policies.

drew70, why exactly do you think these cool people hang around at the TMF instead of AMT? Maybe you can't have one without the other... 🙄

 

[drew70]

Re: drew70

drew70, why exactly do you think these cool people hang around at the TMF instead of AMT? Maybe you can't have one without the other... 🙄

Actually Hal, there are cool and uncool people alike at both AMT and the TMF. Some folks like me will dig both places, but we are few and far between. Most will only visit the one, and avoid the other like the plague. The TMF-only folks look at the AMT'ers as a bunch of rude misfits or in Dan's case "Jackasses" and "Assholes" that only live to hurl insults, tell lies, belittle each other, and rudely criticise like the scum of the earth they are. The AMT-only folks look at the TMF'ers as a bunch of conceited, nose-in-the-air, holier-than-thou egotists who don't have the mental or emotional wherewithall to defend themselves publically so they retreat to their rigidly controlled cliquish environment and rehash the same discussions over and over.

Me? I think both opinions are grossly exaggerated, but that's what happens when a community splits itself. Each side tends to believe the worst of the other. Human nature I suppose.