JBL keeps the belt again

[tickletoy3]

Ok, if you didn't know the JBL/Angle match was gonna end in a dq then you are a total moron lol. Anyways, I'm getting kinda tired of JBL always winning via dq or interference. You expect it from the heel and yeh they do it to intentionally bug you, but after a while it just gets old. I think they should have let JBL win the fatal 4 way on his own skills and prove he is worthy of the belt. At least then fans would take him seriously, regardless of his past. But as it stands now JBL will just be remembered as a big joke. And I think they are trying waaaaaaay too hard to put Heidenrich over.

 

[KoocheeKoo]

IMO Heidenreich is a poor imitation of "Maniac" Mark Lewin; at least Lewin was entertaining as a wrestler with his "patented" sleeper hold. Heidenreich is just silly (esp. reading the stupid poetry in the ring), and his role in the WWE seems to be drifting aimlessly.

I've never really liked Bradshaw...not even when he was part of the Acolytes.
It was silly enough having him win the WWE title...but now scripting him surrounded by "jabroni's" such as Orlando Jordan, the Bashum brothers, and that girl (not even sure of her name), silly has become stupid.

If Smackdown wants to equal Raw, they need to import some exciting new blood (or bring someone such as Randy Orton to Smackdown)....because the last few to join Smackdown and recieve a push have been miserable failures in my eyes (Kenzo Suzuki, Heidenreich, Carlito Cool, etc).

I never thought I'd say this, but I'd honestly prefer Kurt Angle as champion on Smackdown...he may not be Hogan or Stone Cold, but still a helluva lot better than the joke known as "Jay-Bee-Elle" (JBL 😀

Just my .02 cents worth...

 

[giggleygirl25]

i'd rather have taker with the belt (esp. if he's gonna retire at some point next year...let the man go out on top at least) but that's my opinion

 

[Armpit_licker]

SD was decent tonight. I was kinda pissed that Miz didn't win but Puder was good. Big Show will now take a run at the title and most likely win it.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

LOL, I was actually thinking of creating this thread myself, but you beat me too it tickletoy.

I will admit, I like Bradshaw as a businessman, and I like his gimmick as a politician/wrestler and that he has a "cabinet". Its not the gimmick, or even his wrestling thats bad, in my opinion, its that he's finally outlasted his title reign.

I was fine with him screwing over everyone up until this point, and sometimes even twice. He's a good heel, we're supposed to hate him, but I like him. I don't like how long this has gone on though.

It was fine that he beat the odds, cheating or not several times, one on one and one on however many as far as title matches are concerned or when it REALLY mattered that one person win over the other.

After his DQ win last night, that ended it for me pretty much. I was totally convinced Kurt was going to win, and he did in a sense, but like always, the ref. is convieniently looking the other way like the script tells him too.

Its crap like that I'm getting sick of.

When Triple H (arguably my favorite) lost the title to Benoit by tapping out, that was a LEGITIMATE loss of the title. There was no BS, he tapped out fair and square and Benoit was rewarded for it. Triple H, despite what people think of him, isn't too stubborn when it comes to other guys getting a push when they need one, and he doesn't act invincible, he takes hits, and allows himself to seem beatable, which is only fair of everyone and what everyone should do.

Anyways, the point is JBL needs to lose the title in this kind of way, like Triple H. I don't want the other guy (whoever it is) winning by questionable methods. He was a good heel while it lasted, but I want him beat legitmately and dropping the title legitimately like Triple H did. That way we can end this chapter and move on.

I liked JBL's gimmick longer than most people probably did, but even I am tired of his title reign now.

And like giggleygirl, I would prefer the Undertaker winning the title one more time before his retirement (perhaps this will happen at Wrestlemania like I said in my recent Taker thread which was about his retirement).

 

[AphxA]

To be perfectly honest. I have been missing these past few raws and smackdowns and i dont even care. I just lost interest in it. I dont like jbl as a champion. Hes just funny on the mic but he sucks as a wrestler. Sometimes i just go to my brothers house to watch ppv cause he has a "crazy box" if ya know what i mean so you dont have to pay money to watch the crap. God help me if im going to shell out 30+ dollars for a ppv.

 

[tickletoy3]

I agree with Celtic that HHH is probably the best out there today. He wins - and loses - in a way that best suits the business. And yes he cheats from time to time and does illegal moves, etc., but that's part of being a heel. The bottom line is it is all entertainment. And when a wrestler/character gets to a point where they are just no longer entertaining (i.e. their story has run its course, they are just too injured to wrestle) it's time to move to alternatives. As someone mentioned, such is the case now of JBL. I think he's had the title since June and that's unheard of in the business today. It's usually around 3 months max.

As far as HHH, one can almost hear his raspy voice.. "I.. was never beaten.. for the title"

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Yeah, exactly. And again, with Triple H, even though he won it back several times since he lost it, that just shows his determination to be on top. But what people need to understand, like you pointed out was that he's a heel and this kind of behavior is acceptable and he plays his character in such a way thats never set in stone and its possible to beat him and he doesn't get in the way of the script.

I have no way of knowing if JBL is the definite opposite of Triple H but thats the point I'm trying to make. JBL doesn't know how to lose with grace, Triple H does (even those his character complains about it), which is why I used him as an example (aside from me liking him.

When your time is up your time is up and its time to drop the title to someone else. Some might say Triple H is worse than JBL because of how many times he's had the title, but again, he has proven to us all that its just the act, and he is not so stubborn that he isn't willing to have himself be screwed out of the title either, or stripped of it, or what have you.

The fact he wants it so bad like its his "precious" makes him even more believable and anti-face champion material. He's got the image, he's got the moves, and he's got the charisma. Normally things like this dimimish over time, but I haven't personally seen that happen with Triple H.

JBL however has become less professional in the ring, he's getting sloppier, and he's losing his grip on common sense it seems.

I don't like the Big Show as the champion however, and if thats the direction its going in I don't think I'll like it. I didn't like Angle as the Champion either, the current Angle that is.

Actually, theres no one on Smackdown save for the Undertaker that I would want to see as the champion. Maybe Booker T, but only for a while.

I wish Triple H wouldn't have been traded back to RAW in exchange for the Dudley Boys. That was a mistake.

RAW is the better show because it has the better talent and more of it. Smackdown needs one of the veterans to come back to mix things up. Of all the potential champions on Smackdown, I don't particularly favor any one of them. And I only mention Taker because he's going to retire soon and sending him off with a title reign would be a good way to go, and at Wrestlemania against whomever the current champion will be.

Whoever that is, I hope its not JBL, although it would serve as a good measure of revenge.

 

[tickletoy3]

The only one I can possibly see as new world champ is maybe John Cena. He's the next big thing right now. Remember when the US Champ was always considered the #1 contender?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

LOL, man, you and I are on the same page. I was about to mention John Cena earlier because I forgot to mention him. He is good champion material. But they need to put him up against the big boys that run the show, not chumps like Carlito. Right now the impression I'm getting is that he's only mid-card material right now.

If he's going to be the actual WWE Champion, they need to have him drop the U.S title (or keep it and hold two titles at the same time) and get him into feuds with the big boys again.

Remember around when he first debuted he almost took the fight to Taker? Remember when Taker had the short hair and was acting like an a-hole? I remember Cena challenged him and put on an impressive display which the Undertaker gave him props for later. Cena has also stood up to Angle and Chris Jericho as well.

He has it in him and the momentum he needs to be the actual show's champion, but they need to get him out of the feuds with these mid-carders and new chumps they bring into the business. They are holding him back from his true potential.

And I don't remember the U.S Champ as always considered for #1 contender status. How old is that stipulation? Or did it just apply to him?

 

[tickletoy3]

That stip goes back a long ways. Back in the old NWA days before even WCW. Back in the days of Magnum TA and the Koloffs. Of course to fuel another debate, that was back when the belt actually meant something and not just a 'prop' to sell storylines. That's a conflict between old school wrestlers and new school writers. Actually though, most of the wrestlers that would apply to have retired by now or they are holed up in a small wrestling company that will never ever compete with Vince, trying to hang on to what little life they had in years past. But.. that was when wrestling was actually wrestling. As I once heard 'that was when they wrestled for 30 mins and talked for 3, now days they talk for 30 and wrestle for 3. And the closest thing to a 'diva' was the valets.

There used to be a simliar stip for the IC belt as well, that the holder was the automatic #1 contender.

 

[TklDuo-Drew]

I'm kinda bored with JBL (damn, we're all actually refering to him now as "JBL") as champion. He's in worse shape than ever and his "Ted Dibiase" gimmick wore thin months ago. I always admired Triple H's passion for the wrestling business, even when he pulled that crybaby begging stuff this past Monday night. I was really hoping Kurt Angle was gonna get the belt from Bradshaw. And Kurt's constantly calling Bradshaw "bucko" was absolutely hysterical!
Undertaker needs to retire, it's time. There's nothing left for the character to prove, he's gotten stale now that he no longer talks.


Drew

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

But he's not supposed to talk now, he's the deadman remember? Its supposed to be part of his mystery. He used to be even more silent than he is now (as the deadman). Although thats not necessarily working anymore..

 

[Armpit_licker]

Drew is right, time for the Taker to hang them up. He had a hell of a career.

I like Show as the champ, if not him then Angle for sure. I don't think Booker as the champ would work.

I also don't agree that Carlito is a "chump". The kid has style and can wrestle. His cockyness reminds me of the Rock. It's obvious the WWE has big plans for him down the road.

 

[TklDuo-Drew]

Actually the "dead man" character did talk near the end of his first run, and it wasn't just 3 words every 4 months. When he was the biker, he had so much more going for him cause he could go on long verbal tirades while on mic. I still remember when he got in Brock Lesner's face in their first meeting: "Boy, you haven't been to school yet!" He can't say stuff like that now.
Though I think Heidenreich has a lot of potential, he is drifting aimlessly in the WWE. It's like when Bret Hart was in WCW, nobody knew what to do with him. And Lenny Poffo read better poems.
And for Carlito? Again, we've already seen a Razor Ramone, don't need another one.

Drew

 

[Armpit_licker]

"And for Carlito? Again, we've already seen a Razor Ramone, don't need another one"

In your opinion that is... I always loved Razor and thought he was entertaining and put on some great matches(see his ladder match with HBK for an example).

 

[BaneDaemon]

As probably a biased wrestling fan, I'd agree with most of the comments here. "Bucko" (JBL), as I'll call him, is getting old. He's not a tough guy, he's a wuss. Every time a 'big' (achievement-wise as well as physical) wrestler challenges him for the belt, he goes all cauliflower and wide-eyed. As a champion, he should be willing to accept any challenge without sticking to ridiculous excuses. Not to be offensive, but his Christmas excuses were bulldust. He's a wrestler, a 'champion' to boot, so he has the responsibility to come every week to Smackdown and expect and accept any challenge that comes his way.
On a side note, I dunno why no one's mentioned Hardcore Holly. He too had a shot at the title, but "Bucko" got DQed, again, so he got screwed. I agree with Michael Cole that he's a desparate champion. Still, each to their own...
One last thing: The woman that flags along with JBL and his cabinet is Amy Weber. Just clearing it up...

I was never a big fan of Triple H on RAW. To me he seemed like a brute who doesn't know any morals. However,after reading people's comments here and thinking on the business side of things, I may have respect for him one day. I only started watching wrestling (or getting cable for that matter) the episode after JBL got Eddie's title (thanks to Angle no less), so anything that happened before then, I wouldn't have a clue about.

Again with the bias, I agree that Cena has to find a way to dig his way out of the lowly competitors and into the big leagues. I still maintain that he's SD's version of The Rock, and not Carlito. Yeah, I don't like Triple C, at all. His attitude was bad enough (spitting in people's faces... wow, mature), but now he's got a crony (Jesus) being his bodyguard. At least Cena can take care of himself without needing help, especially after being hit in the kidneys at least twice. I watched the Cena/Jesus replay on SD... I wish I'd taped it, I could watch it for hours...
Oh, and DAMN, that US belt looks sweet... no comment.

Just my two cents... *Digs out his pockets and finds a five cent coin.* Oh, 5 cents then... better.

 

[TklDuo-Drew]

Yeah, JBL should lose the title belt, Bane. He's had it too long and the audiences are getting bored with him.
Like him or hate him, Triple H is one of the best wrestlers in the business today. Although he should also give up his belt as well and give someone else a chance to hold it for awhile.
And Cena's kidney's are just fine, they always were. This will all make sense when his movie "The Marine" comes out.


Drew

 

[Shem the Penman]

Triple H loses gracefully? We -are- talking about the guy who just managed to lose the title without actually having to get beaten?

I'll give him some credit for tapping out to Benoit earlier this year, but having an active wrestler on the writing staff has never been a good idea in the past. Let alone one who's also married to the boss's daughter. Look at Trips's buddy Kevin Nash, who got WCW's book in 1999 and proceeded to run the company straight into the ground.

As for JBL, the problem is there's no one credible for him to feud with. The Undertaker clearly has no interest in putting him over, Eddie's done nothing since losing the title to JBL, and Booker's not doing anything but fill up space.

I agree with the comparisons of Cena to the Rock -- at least, the Rock in 1998-99. Back then, Rocky was very over based on his interviews and his personality, but his ringwork sucked. Difference is, the Rock was able to learn and improve and eventually turn himself into a genuine main eventer in all aspects. Cena hasn't done that yet.

Read a rumor today that there will be another draft after Wrestlemania, and Cena and Orton will be switching shows -- maybe that'll shake things up a bit.

 

[BigJim]

Wrestling has sucked everything for the past three or four years. There's more belts than wrestler's now, meaning anyone can have one; they change hands every ten minutes which completely devalues the currency; and the business is full of people I couldn't care less about. I don't think there is enough of a character hierarchy any more. It was things like that that made the loss of Hogan to the Taker at the 1991 Survivor Series to feel like an earth-shaking event.