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Kaiser Wilhelm II

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Ok, I know quite a bit about Kaiser Wilhelm II prior to and during WW1. I know he lived his post WW1 life in exile, in Holland I believe.

But what were the terms of the exile? Was it self imposed? Was it a condition layed down by the German people? Or was it a condition layed down by the Allied Nations?

How did he view his exile and after WW1 what were his relations with the English Royal family?

Tron
 
Neutron said:
Ok, I know quite a bit about Kaiser Wilhelm II prior to and during WW1. I know he lived his post WW1 life in exile, in Holland I believe.

But what were the terms of the exile? Was it self imposed? Was it a condition layed down by the German people? Or was it a condition layed down by the Allied Nations?

How did he view his exile and after WW1 what were his relations with the English Royal family?

Tron

It is true that Wilhelm's exile was to holland. Specifically, it was to Doorn, The Netherlands. Although his abdication would have been self-imposed had he been given the chance, his announcement was pre-empted by Reich Chancellor Max von Baden in November, 1914 who publicly announced Wilhelm's abdication, thereby sealing his fate and requiring a forced exile. Wilhelm's original intention of retaining his Prussian crown was thwarted. Wilhelm confirmed his abdications officially in that same month in 1914.

The terms of his exile were not negotiable, as he faced imprisonment if he did not flee. A revolution was well under way in Germany, approaching Berlin, and there was much resentment of Wilhelm's over zealous military policies as he pushed for Germany to build a navy equal to Britain, while simultaneously criticizing King Edward VII (which many saw as a prelude to the declaration of war in August of 1914).

The Allied Nations lobbied to have Wilhelm extradited for war crimes, but The Netherlands did not concede to their wishes. He lived out the rest of his days in seclusion at Doorn Castle, although he did remarry after his wife died in 1921. If my history recollections are correct, his relationship with English royalty was strained at best, despite his attempts to make ammends after the war. He died in 1941, just in time to see Germany rise to military greatness.

I hope that helped. 😎
 
Dang!!

Thanks that was some great stuff. BY the way he did not abdicate in 1914. He abdicated in 1918 although for all practical purposes he lost his remaining power in late 1917.


If you want to read a couple excellent books about the era leading up to WW1 and the war itself, including all the major governmental figures get Dreadnought and Castles Of Steel by Robert Massey.

I wonder what Wilhelm felt about the Nazis?

Tron
 
Found this after a Google search.

When Hitler invaded the Netherlands, the British government offered the Kaiser asylum in Britain. The Kaiser appreciated the irony of the British government’s offer (as a man accused of war crimes by the Allies after the First World War), but he refused the British government’s kind offer.

He also refused to reenter Germany, however, even despite a Nazi offer to allow him to settle into retirement anywhere he wanted in the Reich.

During the campaign in France in 1940, the Kaiser’s grandson, Prince Wilhelm, was killed in action. Hitler was very peevish about Prince Wilhelm’s death. He ordered General Baron Alexander von Falkenhausen (at the time, military commander in the Netherlands) under no circumstances to go personally to the Kaiser to break the bad news of his beloved grandson’s death. Hitler intended for Falkenhausen to send a lowly courier (a very clear attempt at a slight to the old Kaiser). Falkenhausen, however, sent the loyal monarchist General Alfred Streccius instead.

Prince Wilhelm’s funeral was attended by huge crowds in Berlin, and Hitler, even more peeved as a result, promulgated a secret protocol that all Hohenzollerns were to be expelled from the Armed Forces as soon as possible. This secret protocol affected one of the Kaiser’s sons (Major-General Prince Oskar of Prussia) and several of his grandsons (including Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia, Prince Georg Wilhelm of Hanover, and Prince Burkhard of Prussia), and even distant cousins (including Prince Franz Joseph of Hohenzollern-Emden).

When the German Army entered Paris, the Kaiser sent Hitler a congratulatory telegram. Some people hold that telegram against the old Kaiser, but given that he had been at the head of the German nation when it failed to defeat the French, he took pride in the victory of his Generals in 1940 (since most the commanders of Hitler’s French campaign had been trained during the First World War under the Kaiser’s command -- not by Hitler or the Nazis). The Kaiser probably sent the telegram out of sincere patriotism and pride in the truly breath-taking German victory.

When the Kaiser died in 1941, Hitler wanted his body brought back to Germany for a big funeral -- as a propaganda stunt. A codicil to the Kaiser’s will was, however, extremely clear. If he did not return to Germany as its monarch before his death, his body was to be buried at Doorn Haus in exile -- and, the Kaiser added (repeating it three or four times in the course of the codicil) that there were to be absolutely no swastikas visible at his funeral.

Hitler was peeved once again. The Führer made a point of sending a huge flower arrangement with a big, fat swastika on it, but he didn’t attend the funeral himself, sending Dr. Arthur Seyss-Inquart as his representative instead. He refused to allow any German military officers to attend the funeral, but many did anyway -- out of uniform. The World War I Field Marshal August von Mackensen (father of World War II Colonel-General Eberhard von Mackensen and Nazi Ambassador Hans Georg von Mackensen) defied the Führer’s orders and showed up at the funeral in his Field Marshal’s uniform with his Field Marshal’s baton, and he made a real point of being seen in a prominent position in the funeral procession.

Goebbels ordered all German newspapers to note the Kaiser’s passing with a small, one-paragraph obituary on a back page. It was the Nazis’ final insult to the old Kaiser’s memory.
 
Re: Dang!!

Neutron said:
BY the way he did not abdicate in 1914. He abdicated in 1918 although for all practical purposes he lost his remaining power in late 1917.

Tron

Thanks for the correction. I knew something wasn't 100% but I was in a rush and didn't double check all my info. Thanks for the tips on the books too. 😎
 
Very Interesting..

Thanks. I never really understood why the Allied powers were so adamant about prosecuting Wilhelm for war crimes. From what I can see he believed war should be conducted "honorably". The second Unrestricted Submarine Campaign which the Allies seem to always reference wasn't actually approved by Wilhelm except as a rubber stamp measure. He really had lost most of whatever power he really had. Remember he was an Imperial Monarch not an Autocratic Monarch. As such he had to answer to a somewhat representative government. Wilhelm believed because he was a king, his country should conduct itself in a manner that a king could be proud of. Granted he was somewhat eclectic in his beliefs and his actions BUT at heart let's remember, He felt Germany would win and in the aftermath of victory he'd end up as the Elder Statesman of Europe (odd since he really had no power over statesmanship, that was in the hands of the foreign office) Also, he was half British and in many ways was extremely proud of his family and it's accomplishments. So it's not like he felt a great sense of pride in "murdering" British subjects. From what I can see he never ordered anything that would be considered as a war crime, and in many cases put a stop to practices being used at the front. The only issue is the Submarine Campaigns. Had he actually punished the Captains who sunk Passenger Liners (and NOT the Lusitania, she was in fact illegally transporting arms and ammunition), he'd have a clean slate.

By the way, those books I recommended are excellent reads and give one a good perspective of the personalities involved. The chapters on Wilhelm, Bismarck (a FASCINATING individual) are verey enlightening.

Tron

Tron

WW1 is a prime example of what blind adherence to Alliances can do.
 
did he take his name from a roll that is particularly good with sandwich meats?
 
the_Baron said:
did he take his name from a roll that is particularly good with sandwich meats?

Great question. As a matter of fact, he did! As you know, the word Kaiser comes from the Greek word "Kylo" meaning Roll, which was what the Prussian Crown looked like when worn on the head.

So, therefore, Kylo - Kaiser. And so you have it. 😎
[see "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" for reference to Greek derivative words]
 
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