To begin the discussion here: Do forum members think that MLB may well have to lower the bar or statistics for starting pitchers to make the Hall of Fame?
It seemingly used to be,.., and may still be, with exceptions... A starting pitcher had to win 300 games to make the Hall of Fame.
The biggest example of this is Tommy John.. a guy I'm shocked hasn't at some point been voted in by the Veterans Committee, which I think is one of the greatest injustices in baseball., Mr John finished with 288 wins, and missed over 18 months with the ligament transplant surgery that is now named after him. Had he not missed that time, he would have won 300 games.
The jury is still out, of course, on Mike Mussina. He finished with 270 wins, and 2800 plus strikeouts.
Although he has had a poor year this year, Yankees pitcher CC Sabathia would be the seemingly most likely active pitcher to have a shot to get to 300 wins, and/or 3000 Strikeouts. Sabathia is currently at 205 wins, and had almost 2400 K's, and is only 32.
Recently Retired? Jaime Moyer is another interesting case: 269 wins, and pitched for over 20 years. If you dont let Tommy John in, how can Moyer be considered?
Although Andy Petitte is/was a great pitcher, he only has 250 wins. I don't see him making the Hall.
Although Maddux, Glavine, and Randy Johnson all won 300 games in recent years, and all will be in the Hall: With starters pitching fewer innings, and getting fewer decisions, it would seem much harder to get to 300 wins now, then say, when Tom Seaver pitched in his heyday in the 70s, and would throw 20-25 complete games a year, win or lose.
Does 200 wins do it now.. or 250? Does one have to assess it on a case by case basis.
Thoughts?
It seemingly used to be,.., and may still be, with exceptions... A starting pitcher had to win 300 games to make the Hall of Fame.
The biggest example of this is Tommy John.. a guy I'm shocked hasn't at some point been voted in by the Veterans Committee, which I think is one of the greatest injustices in baseball., Mr John finished with 288 wins, and missed over 18 months with the ligament transplant surgery that is now named after him. Had he not missed that time, he would have won 300 games.
The jury is still out, of course, on Mike Mussina. He finished with 270 wins, and 2800 plus strikeouts.
Although he has had a poor year this year, Yankees pitcher CC Sabathia would be the seemingly most likely active pitcher to have a shot to get to 300 wins, and/or 3000 Strikeouts. Sabathia is currently at 205 wins, and had almost 2400 K's, and is only 32.
Recently Retired? Jaime Moyer is another interesting case: 269 wins, and pitched for over 20 years. If you dont let Tommy John in, how can Moyer be considered?
Although Andy Petitte is/was a great pitcher, he only has 250 wins. I don't see him making the Hall.
Although Maddux, Glavine, and Randy Johnson all won 300 games in recent years, and all will be in the Hall: With starters pitching fewer innings, and getting fewer decisions, it would seem much harder to get to 300 wins now, then say, when Tom Seaver pitched in his heyday in the 70s, and would throw 20-25 complete games a year, win or lose.
Does 200 wins do it now.. or 250? Does one have to assess it on a case by case basis.
Thoughts?
