Manning wins mvp wtf

[studm883]

Wouldn't have given it to Manning...

I understand the 9 game winning streak, but what people miss is that he spent the back half of the year beating up on some of the worst secondaries in the NFL...Texans, Patriots, Bengels, Lions, Jaguars, Chargers etc. Also, Manning's early ineffectiveness and sudden reemergence is in part due to his recovery from knee surgery, but can also be attributed to his offensive line getting healthy...at one point around week 5 all 5 were either out or playing hurt.

He also had the fortune of running into teams that were out of the running for the post-season and basically "dead" teams (two play-off teams from weeks 9-16)...his season this year reminds me a lot of Brett Favre's from last year.

On the line point, I'd love to see the day where OLs get a little more pub for their value. Was their any single unit of players more important to a single team than the Giants offensive line? I certainly don't think so. If I had to go with a more "traditional pick", I'd give it to Ryan.

 

[jppower]

but i still think pennington deserved mvp.. he had better stats than manning by far and took a one win team to 11 and there is no way they would have been there without pennington.. hence most valuable

Well earlier in your post you said that first off MVP isn't about stats...but just for the sake of argument and accuracy...Pennington definitely did not have better stats than Manning by far, as you stated. That's just inaccurate. He did have a better passer rating (by 2 points), but Manning threw for 400 more yards than Chad, and threw 8 more TDs. Threw for 30 more 1st downs, too. Did throw 5 more INTs than Chad. You could give Chad a slight edge, but could make the argument for Manning, too, with more yardage and TDs. But statwise...neither of them outperformed the other outright, though.

Going from 1 win to 11 is amazing (downright incredible), but Chad had much more help than Manning did with his team. Chad had Bill Parcells, who revamped the front office and sidelines and was a miracle worker once again. Chad did a phenomenal job, and also had a phenomenal running game with the Wildcat and the amazing ACL-recovery return of Ronnie Brown who was solid. Peyton didn't have that. The Colts running game was shit this year. The fact that his team went 12-4 when every team knew they were going to pass 75% of the time (because they couldn't run the ball) is why he's the MVP.

 

[punkrockergirl]

Well earlier in your post you said that first off MVP isn't about stats...but just for the sake of argument and accuracy...Pennington definitely did not have better stats than Manning by far, as you stated. That's just inaccurate. He did have a better passer rating (by 2 points), but Manning threw for 400 more yards than Chad, and threw 8 more TDs. Threw for 30 more 1st downs, too. Did throw 5 more INTs than Chad. You could give Chad a slight edge, but could make the argument for Manning, too, with more yardage and TDs. But statwise...neither of them outperformed the other outright, though.

Chad did a phenomenal job, and also had a phenomenal running game with the Wildcat and the amazing ACL-recovery return of Ronnie Brown who was solid. Peyton didn't have that. The Colts running game was shit this year. The fact that his team went 12-4 when every team knew they were going to pass 75% of the time (because they couldn't run the ball) is why he's the MVP.

its not about stats but i was stating that manning had no reason to win... and if your going to give it to manning because he had no running game then based on that it should have went to brees

 

[jppower]

its not about stats but i was stating that manning had no reason to win... and if your going to give it to manning because he had no running game then based on that it should have went to brees

But Brees didn't win 12 games with the absence of a running game. Didn't even make the playoffs.

 

[punkrockergirl]

but he did throw for over 5000 yards.. and brees doesnt have a defense.. im just showing you that giving it to someone because their team lacks an aspect is ridiculous... or give it to ap he didnt have a passing game and he lead in rushing and rushing td's...

 

[jppower]

but he did throw for over 5000 yards.. and brees doesnt have a defense.. im just showing you that giving it to someone because their team lacks an aspect is ridiculous... or give it to ap he didnt have a passing game and he lead in rushing and rushing td's...

I'm saying that Peyton and his team succeeded tremendously (in the regular season) despite lacking a running game. Therein lies his value. If Peyton and the Colts went 5-11 and he had the exact same stats and no running game, he obviously wouldn't deserve MVP. I'm not simply stating that because he had no running game he should get MVP. That's not what I'm saying at all. If it was, I'd be campaigning for Dan Orlovsky or Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Brees' team didn't do anything, that's why there's no comparison. He got stats, but wasn't terribly valuable because his team had nothing to show for his performances.

AP would have been a worthy nominee.

 

[punkrockergirl]

I'm saying that Peyton and his team succeeded tremendously (in the regular season) despite lacking a running game. Therein lies his value. If Peyton and the Colts went 5-11 and he had the exact same stats and no running game, he obviously wouldn't deserve MVP. I'm not simply stating that because he had no running game he should get MVP. That's not what I'm saying at all. If it was, I'd be campaigning for Dan Orlovsky or Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Brees' team didn't do anything, that's why there's no comparison. He got stats, but wasn't terribly valuable because his team had nothing to show for his performances.

AP would have been a worthy nominee.

i believe that since no one had that stand out year the writers said fuck it give it to peyton... i just dont think he deserved it

 

[jppower]

i believe that since no one had that stand out year the writers said fuck it give it to peyton... i just dont think he deserved it

Ha. The year that all those super-opinionated sportswriters all the sudden become apathetic about the MVP vote is the year the Bengals win the Super Bowl. I think they all just realized that the Colts would have been 3-13 without Manning.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Pennington wasn't more valuable than Tony Sparano. Same for Matt Ryan. Mike Smith's value was greater than his.

Adrian Peterson didn't lead his team to 9-consecutive wins. Plus, he fumbles too much.

Stats do play a part in a players value. No one's going to win the award if they don't produce on the field.

 

[jppower]

Pennington wasn't more valuable than Tony Sparano. Same for Matt Ryan. Mike Smith's value was greater than his.

Amen. Pennington did great, as I've agreed with some of the previously posted sentiments, but I'd be lying if I didn't think that there are 20 other QBs in the league who could have done what he did - if they too had Bill Parcells building the team around him. They maybe even could have done it with much better stats.

Parcells is the MVP(erson) of the NFL this year. He could have made Joey Harrington a Pro Bowler. He did it with Romo (who has looked much more human since Bill left Dallas), and now he's done it with Chad.