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Mets And Manager Willie Randolph's Job

Mitchell

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I want to start this post by saying to my friend 4u that I am NOT starting this thread to quote "rub it in" about the Mets. Am I happy that the Braves did well this week? Of course. That, however, is not the purpose of this thread.

As most baseball fans who live in the NY area are probably aware, there was much said in the media after last night's Mets loss, about the job status of manager Willie Randolph. My personal opinion, is that the Mets should retain Willie, and try to work their way out of the team's current slump.

At the present time, the Mets have Pedro Martinez on the DL. They have also lost Orlando Hernandez for likely the rest of the season. Their other starting pitchers, particularly Mike Pelfrey, have been very inconsistent. Their 1st baseman, Carlos Delgado, is hitting around 230.

While Willie Randolph is not the type of guy or manager to quote "Tear up the clubhouse" after losses, as his former Yankee manager Billy Martin often did when Willie was a player, it does not mean Willie doesnt deeply care about his team. The fact is, while the Yankees had much success during Willie's days as a player, and a coach under manager Joe Torre, Torre is not the type of guy who would rip his players either if the Yankees weren't playing well. Willie coached under this style of managing for nine years with Joe Torre, and it likely was an influence on him.

My team, the Braves, have had a very inconsistent three years, including this year. I never once heard anyone say "Bobby Cox should be fired because the Braves are at 500", which is just about where they've been since the 2006 season. Are people supposed to say that Bobby is responsible for Mike Hampton being the worst investment in baseball history, and being injured all the time, or for John Smoltz's shoulder problems, and the fact that he will likely never start a game again, or that Mike Gonzalez had Tommy John surgery, or that Rafeal Soriano has had a bad arm? The manager can only do so much.

Fact is: While all baseball teams have injuries, Willie hasnt had Pedro healthy really since 2005. El Duque, in spite of his age, was supposed to be a major piece of their pitching puzzle. I dont see what Willie, or any other manager, could do differently, to change the situation.

Were I the Wilpons, I would retain Willie. It is only May, with four months of baseball left. The Mets are a very talented team, with a very dangerous lineup. I say, wait til Pedro returns, see if Delgado snaps out of his slump, wait until at least, the All star break, to make any decision. Fact is, no one in the NL East is playing wonderfully. You might have a division with four 80 odd win teams in the Mets, Phillies, Braves, and Florida, where the division champ wins no more than 90 games.

So, those are my thoughts. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mitch
 
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As most baseball fans who live in the NY area are probably aware, there was much said in the media after last night's Mets loss, about the job status of manager Willie Randolph. My personal opinion, is that the Mets should retain Willie, and try to work their way out of the team's current slump.

At the present time, the Mets have Pedro Martinez on the DL. They have also lost Orlando Hernandez for likely the rest of the season. Their other starting pitchers, especially John Maine, and particuarly Mike Pelfrey, have been very inconsistent. Their 1st baseman, Carlos Delgado, is hitting around 230.

While Willie Randolph is not the type of guy or manager to quote "Tear up the clubhouse" after losses, as his former Yankee manager Billy Martin often did when Willie was a player, it does not mean Willie doesnt deeply care about his team. The fact is, while the Yankees had much success during Willie's days as a player, and a coach under manager Joe Torre, Torre is not the type of guy who would rip his players either if the Yankees weren't playing well. Willie coached under this style of managing for nine years with Joe Torre, and it likely was an influence on him.

The Mets situation is not particularly good right now. They have been hit by injuries with Pedro and El Duque, and then they have some players who are either overrated or just getting too old. That being said, this team ran away with the division in 2006. It trot out almost the exact same team in 2007 and had a big lead through half the year. For a full calendar year of baseball since June 2007, the Mets are a sub .500. Are there excuses for this? Of course there are. But this team is coming off one of the epic collapses in history. They paid an exhorbitant amount of money to acquire Johan Santana from the Twins and he is only 5-3 (although he's usually a second half pitcher anyway). But beyond the record, if you watch the Mets a lot this team seems disinterested and can't stop their internal fighting from becoming public. Willie Randolph has been shown up by his players in numerous instances this year (e.g., Billy Wagner, Carlos Delgado). And then Willie goes and makes a very stupid, frustrated comment about race to the press. Add all this to the fact that Willie is playing in the most impatient, win-now sports market in the country and one can see why he is on shaky ground.

I personally do not think Willie should be fired until at least the end of the season. The team is a mess right now but there isn't any great manager out there right now that is going to wave a magic wand and make all their injuries and internal disputes vanish. They need to just ride it out, get their players healthy and see how it goes. The NL East is not that strong that the Mets may still be able to win the division. I personally don't think they will, but its certainly not impossible.

My team, the Braves, have had a very inconsistent three years, including this year. I never once heard anyone say "Bobby Cox should be fired because the Braves are at 500", which is just about where they've been since the 2006 season. Are people supposed to say that Bobby is responsible for Mike Hampton being the worst investment in baseball history, and being injured all the time, or for John Smoltz's shoulder problems, and the fact that he will likely never start a game again, or that Mike Gonzalez had Tommy John surgery, or that Rafeal Soriano has had a bad arm? The manager can only do so much.

There's just no comparing the pressure to win in Atlanta with New York. Plus, Bobby Cox has a much deeper resume with the I believe 12 consecutive division titles. Bobby Cox is the face of that organization now. Willie Randolph is just the latest manager. Btw, Barry Zito is the worst investment in baseball history. I say this because Hampton has at least been injured for a large portion of that contract and not been able to go out and pitch badly. Barry Zito goes out every start and gets shelled.

Fact is: While all baseball teams have injuries, Willie hasnt had Pedro healthy really since 2005. El Duque, in spite of his age, was supposed to be a major piece of their pitching puzzle. I dont see what Willie, or any other manager, could do differently, to change the situation.

Were I the Wilpons, I would retain Willie. It is only May, with four months of baseball left. The Mets are a very talented team, with a very dangerous lineup. I say, wait til Pedro returns, see if Delgado snaps out of his slump, wait until at least, the All star break, to make any decision. Fact is, no one in the NL East is playing wonderfully. You might have a division with four 80 odd win teams in the Mets, Phillies, Braves, and Florida, where the division champ wins no more than 90 games.

I agree with all of that.
 
Don`t count out the Mets just yet...

I have talked my good friend many times on them. I mentioned the age of some key players and such , but they have a great closer and a starting staff of Santana , Perez , and Maine matches up with anyone else in division. Don`t think the head brass ever REALLY COUNTED on Pedro this year because of his age and previous injury history which is long and often. anything they get from him could be see as a bonus, just like Randy Johnson with the D- Backs
 
I wanted to bump this thread to post a comment. Although the Mets are not playing up to expectations, I think that the manner in which they are treating Willie Randolph's job status is almost sadistic. After yesterday's doubleheader split, Mets GM Omar Minaya refused to guarantee that Willie would even be the manager for tonight's game against Anaheim, and that he was going to "evaluate" Willie. This isnt the way to run a professional baseball team, to have a manager's job status hanging by a day by day thread, with the GM holding him over a cliff. It reminds me of the way George Steinbrenner used to run the Yankees in the 70s and 80s, before Joe Torre, where managers jobs were hanging by a thread, based on one win, or one loss.

Personally, I think that maybe Mets owners Jeff and Fred Wilpon should fire Omar Minaya. Minaya is the guy that put together this mess of a roster.

If something is done about Randolph, I say, either do it now, or set a deadline, say, the All Star Break, with some goal, and if the Mets dont achieve it, let Willie go then, but dont keep him hanging on a day by day basis. That isnt professional.

I also read in the NY papers that Mets coaches necks are really on the line, and that hitting coach Howard Johnson, and/or coaches Rick Petersen and Sandy Alamar Sr could be let go any day. Clearly, things in Metsville are very tumultuous.

Mitch
 
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"In the meantime, as the Mets readied for their World Series appearance against the Boston Red Sox, the team received a letter from Continental Airlines demanding $10,000 for damages to its aircraft.

General manager Frank Cashen handed the letter to manager Davey Johnson and said, “Do something about this.” The implication was, of course, that it was the players’ responsibility to pay. Johnson assembled his Mets in the middle of the clubhouse and read the letter word for word, including the request for payment. The manager then looked up and said, “Fuck ’em. Let them pay. If it wasn’t for us, there wouldn’t be any World Series!” Johnson ceremoniously tore up the letter and let the pieces drop. Too arrogant to fail, the Mets went on to beat the Red Sox in the World Series that year."

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