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Mets To Get Johan Santana-NL East Champs in 2008?

Mitchell

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Well, if anyone laughed at the New York Mets for losing thirteen game and 303 game winner Tom Glavine, it looks like the Metropolitans are going to have the last laugh. It was announced late last night that the Mets have agreed to a deal to acquire Minnesota Twins ace pitcher Johan Santana, whose career record is 93-44, with a sparking 3.22 ERA..

When Tom Glavine returned to the Atlanta Braves in mid November, that was a huge loss for the Mets. Now, if the Santana deal is completed, the Mets rotation of Santana, Pedro Martinez, John Maine, and Orlando Hernandez is downright scary. If Pedro is healthy, you have two potential 20 game winners in the numbers one and two spots in the Mets rotation. John Maine is an excellent pitcher, and El Duque Hernandez, however old he is, can still get batters out. This isn't even mentioning young Mike Pelfrey, who is also solid.

As one matches up the Braves and Mets, the two likely top contenders of the NL East, it is a tough call when it comes to the pitching. Depending upon how manager Randolph structures the rotation after Santana. One would have to think that Santana and Martinez at the Mets one and two starters would have the edge over the Braves top two starters, Tim Hudson, and John Smoltz. Mets third starter John Maine has the likely edge over Braves third starter Tom Glavine. Of course, rehabbing Mike Hampton, who has missed nearly three years with two arm surgeries, is a huge question mark as Atlanta's number four starter, and is probably the reason that the Braves chose to re sign Tom Glavine last November. Hampton could give Atlanta 10-15 wins, or nothing. Age could be a factor for both teams, as Martinez and Duque are both over 35, and Smoltz and Glavine are both over 40.

We know that they don't play baseball games on paper, and that in 2003-2005, when the Braves lost Glavine, Maddux, Sheffield, and a whole host of others, they won divisions three years in a row. I do think that the Mets rotation with Santana is downright scary. I will say that if everyone is healthy in Atlanta, and especially if Hampton can pitch at even 50-75% of his former self, the Braves will have a very solid rotation, with two 15-20 game winners in Smoltz, and Hudson, and another 15 game winner in Glavine.

As to who will win the NL East? Well, Philly won last year, and got closer Brad Lidge, who could save 40 games, or who could implode. The Mets might have to be the odds on favorites now, but I think the Braves and Phillies will be right with them.

Any thoughts on the impending Santana deal, and the NL East picture?

Mitch
 
Well, if anyone laughed at the New York Mets for losing thirteen game and 303 game winner Tom Glavine, it looks like the Metropolitans are going to have the last laugh. It was announced late last night that the Mets have agreed to a deal to acquire Minnesota Twins ace pitcher Johan Santana, whose career record is 93-44, with a sparking 3.22 ERA..

When Tom Glavine returned to the Atlanta Braves in mid November, that was a huge loss for the Mets. Now, if the Santana deal is completed, the Mets rotation of Santana, Pedro Martinez, John Maine, and Orlando Hernandez is downright scary. If Pedro is healthy, you have two potential 20 game winners in the numbers one and two spots in the Mets rotation. John Maine is an excellent pitcher, and El Duque Hernandez, however old he is, can still get batters out. This isn't even mentioning young Mike Pelfrey, who is also solid.

As one matches up the Braves and Mets, the two likely top contenders of the NL East, it is a tough call when it comes to the pitching. Depending upon how manager Randolph structures the rotation after Santana. One would have to think that Santana and Martinez at the Mets one and two starters would have the edge over the Braves top two starters, Tim Hudson, and John Smoltz. Mets third starter John Maine has the likely edge over Braves third starter Tom Glavine. Of course, rehabbing Mike Hampton, who has missed nearly three years with two arm surgeries, is a huge question mark as Atlanta's number four starter, and is probably the reason that the Braves chose to re sign Tom Glavine last November. Hampton could give Atlanta 10-15 wins, or nothing. Age could be a factor for both teams, as Martinez and Duque are both over 35, and Smoltz and Glavine are both over 40.

We know that they don't play baseball games on paper, and that in 2003-2005, when the Braves lost Glavine, Maddux, Sheffield, and a whole host of others, they won divisions three years in a row. I do think that the Mets rotation with Santana is downright scary. I will say that if everyone is healthy in Atlanta, and especially if Hampton can pitch at even 50-75% of his former self, the Braves will have a very solid rotation, with two 15-20 game winners in Smoltz, and Hudson, and another 15 game winner in Glavine.

As to who will win the NL East? Well, Philly won last year, and got closer Brad Lidge, who could save 40 games, or who could implode. The Mets might have to be the odds on favorites now, but I think the Braves and Phillies will be right with them.

Any thoughts on the impending Santana deal, and the NL East picture?

Mitch
I don't have anything significant to add!!! A good breakdown by you. One thought here though is that Oliver Perez will be the fifth starter and he was a 15 game winner a year ago along with John Maine. Santana certainly adds depth to the rotation. I still think the Mets need to figure out what to do with their bullpen though. You are right on one other thought, game is not won on paper. Should be a fun last season at Big Shea this year. :bouncybou
 
I agree that this move brings them back to being the class of the division, if not the NL. While some people may not agree, this was a move they had to make. What I am surprised most is the fact they didn't have to give up their best prospect in return. On most sports pages, they are talking about how the Twins didn't get enough for him. Santana fell in the Mets lap. What a belated X-mas gift. Yes, indeed, they do look dangerous on paper, but everyone knows it isn't won on paper. The NL East race is a three-team race, and will be exciting to watch over the summer for sure
 
The addition of Santana makes the Mets, IMHO, the favorites to win the NL East. Not that favorites always do win, of course.
 
YAY, the whitesox can now stop adding 5 wins a year to santana's HOF numbers
 
According to reports, Santana is seeking a six year contract for 150 million dollars. The Mets would be complete idiots to pay a pitcher that kind of money. Especially since Santana has had some arm trouble in the past. But I do agree that this trade makes them the clear cut favorites in the NL East.
 
This could work out to be a great thing. There is no doubt that Johan Santana, if he stays healthy, will be a Cy Young candidate this season. You can't complain with the last 5 years where he won the Cy Young twice, struck out over 200 a year, pitched over 200 innings, and three times had a era under 3.00

We have to think about the future though. Last season we got a glimpse of Carlos Gomez and Phil Humber, and while it was obviously impossible to see if they will be super studs, we at least know they can play the game a bit, you youngsters. Luckily if they become super studs, they are now in the AL.

Also, I'm not in any way implying that this will happen again, because johan santana is an established super stud, but keep in mind kazmir-zamboner from a couple years back. 'Nuff said

It'll be interesting to see what happens as the Mets systematically unload their already thin minor league system. They'll just have to win it this year and next year to even everything out.

Just once in my life I want to see the Mets win the world series, even though they won in it in 1986, and I was every bit of 2 months old. But even at 2 months old I knew that my mother's cousin played on that world series team, and thus the you have now read a giant ramble by a bona fide "life long" fan
 
Well, the Phillies would've gotten him, but then, they realized that since he hasn't batted since God Knows When, they can't be sure he won't strike out three out of four times he comes to the plate. And, since this seems to be the criteria for winning a roster spot on this ballclub, they came to the conclusion that they just had to pass him up.
 
A preseason baseball publication I read today picked the Phillies to win the East, with the Braves second, and the Mets third. If this trade goes through, it looks like that magazine will be made to eat crow.

Yes, I know they dont play games on paper. Look how many times the Braves were counted out, and won divisions anyway. Everyone on the Mets has to stay healthy. Pedro is always a threat to break down, and El Duque is old. I will say that 225 innings and 15 to 20 wins from Santana, plus an even decent season from Pedro, and contributions from John Maine, plus their offense, makes the Mets awfully difficult to beat.

Mitch
 
Having looked at the way things are going with the Phillies, and who they're signing and acquring, the only division title we'll be winning this year will be in an alternate universe.
 
Well, Santana officially signed his contract yesterday, which I think spells big trouble for the Atlanta Braves, and may give the Mets the National League East title. However, I think back to 2003-2005, when everyone counted the Braves out. In 2003, the Philies were supposed to be the new Beasts of the East. Glavine had left, and Millwood was traded away for almost nothing. However, our acquistions of Mike Hampton, and Russ Ortiz, cruised us to the division title. In 2004, same thing, Phillies were supposed to beat us, Maddux and Sheffield left. However, JD Drew, and others powered us to another title. 2005 was the same. Eighteen rookies, and we still won.

The Mets, with this signing, have two very young, dominant pitchers in Maine and Santana. Pedro is a question mark. He could win 15 games, or implode. El Duque is a hundred years old, but he can still pitch.

In Braves World, we have two pitchers over 40 in Glavine and Smoltz, and a guy, Hampton, who hasnt pitched in three years. Hampton may give us 10 wins, or nothing.

My first prediction would be that with Santana, the Mets will win the East, and the Braves the wild card. That being said, they dont play baseball games on paper, and Bobby Cox is wonderful at getting the most out of what we have. Yes, we lost Andruw Jones, and got Glavine back. We may have a sense of urgency this year. Mark Texiara is a free agent, and we may not be able to re sign him. Glavine may well decide to retire, and Hampton, if we get anything out of him, may just leave as well, as we may not risk big money, on a guy we've gotten nothing from for three years.

My predicition for 2008. Mets-90-95 wins, NL East Champs. Braves-87-90 wins, wild card. They dont play em on paper, but this is how I see it.

Mitch
 
Well, Santana officially signed his contract yesterday, which I think spells big trouble for the Atlanta Braves, and may give the Mets the National League East title. However, I think back to 2003-2005, when everyone counted the Braves out. In 2003, the Philies were supposed to be the new Beasts of the East. Glavine had left, and Millwood was traded away for almost nothing. However, our acquistions of Mike Hampton, and Russ Ortiz, cruised us to the division title. In 2004, same thing, Phillies were supposed to beat us, Maddux and Sheffield left. However, JD Drew, and others powered us to another title. 2005 was the same. Eighteen rookies, and we still won.

The Mets, with this signing, have two very young, dominant pitchers in Maine and Santana. Pedro is a question mark. He could win 15 games, or implode. El Duque is a hundred years old, but he can still pitch.

In Braves World, we have two pitchers over 40 in Glavine and Smoltz, and a guy, Hampton, who hasnt pitched in three years. Hampton may give us 10 wins, or nothing.

My first prediction would be that with Santana, the Mets will win the East, and the Braves the wild card. That being said, they dont play baseball games on paper, and Bobby Cox is wonderful at getting the most out of what we have. Yes, we lost Andruw Jones, and got Glavine back. We may have a sense of urgency this year. Mark Texiara is a free agent, and we may not be able to re sign him. Glavine may well decide to retire, and Hampton, if we get anything out of him, may just leave as well, as we may not risk big money, on a guy we've gotten nothing from for three years.

My predicition for 2008. Mets-90-95 wins, NL East Champs. Braves-87-90 wins, wild card. They dont play em on paper, but this is how I see it.

Mitch
You need to remember a lot of pitchers dominate the AL and then suffer in the NL and vice versa, we will have to see
 
You need to remember a lot of pitchers dominate the AL and then suffer in the NL and vice versa, we will have to see
Do you expect Santana to " suffer " in the National League??? Barry Zito had issues but then again, Barry Zito is not in the same league as Santana.

Pedro Martinez went to the American League from the Montreal Expos after winning a Cy Young Award then went on to have great success with the Red Sox. Then after winning a World Series in 2004 with Boston and won 15 games with the Mets in 2005.

Randy Johnson whom I can't stand had great success going from Seattle to Arizona ( with a pitstop in Houston ) and he didn't seem to suffer any ill affects from the AL to NL transferance.

I agree with you that lots of pitchers have had problems making adjustments but they are not of the quality of Johan Santana or even the aforementioned Pedro Martinez or Randy Johnson.
 
^ from Minnesota.


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I didn't thank you. Fact is, he wasn't resigning with you guys. The Twins wanted to make sure they got something out of it. It was completely logical move on the Twins organization's part. And for the Twins organization's sake I hope three of the four players become stars. Carlos Gomez and Phillip Humber are going to be good for you guys. They are also Major League ready. They have a chance to be stars. The other two players are relatively unknown to me. I hope that they play hard and play well for your Twinkies. Good Luck!!!
 
I didn't thank you. Fact is, he wasn't resigning with you guys. The Twins wanted to make sure they got something out of it. It was completely logical move on the Twins organization's part. And for the Twins organization's sake I hope three of the four players become stars. Carlos Gomez and Phillip Humber are going to be good for you guys. They are also Major League ready. They have a chance to be stars. The other two players are relatively unknown to me. I hope that they play hard and play well for your Twinkies. Good Luck!!!


Thanks for the luck. We'll need it. I guess I'm just kind of bitter in general at sport and all of our good players leaving... from ALL of our sports teams. It's a hard knock life being a MN sports fan.
 
I hope no one comes to the much mistaken conclusion that this will ultimately solve the problems that bedeviled the Mets late last year. It looked to me like a crisis of the spirit.
 
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