My heart seriously goes out to the Cleveland Cavaliers fans....

[Lonestar327]

In reading some posting from the Cavs message boards and from there paper online. I can't help but feel sorry for that fanbase.

The biggest game in Cavs history or at least one if the biggest games, and the team just rolls over for there king, guess they wanted to party with him and the Heat when they play in south beach because the city and the fans wanted it more than the team.

Then they follow that with loses to the T-wolves and Pistons, its like its in there heads all of a sudden.

This year I thought that Cleveland was going to show everyone that they can do it without Lebron, they were motivated, they were ready, they were going to do it, but it looks like its going to be what everyone thought including them, that they aren't going to win a thing this year.

 

[Tickler15]

In reading some posting from the Cavs message boards and from there paper online. I can't help but feel sorry for that fanbase.

The biggest game in Cavs history or at least one if the biggest games, and the team just rolls over for there king, guess they wanted to party with him and the Heat when they play in south beach because the city and the fans wanted it more than the team.

Then they follow that with loses to the T-wolves and Pistons, its like its in there heads all of a sudden.

This year I thought that Cleveland was going to show everyone that they can do it without Lebron, they were motivated, they were ready, they were going to do it, but it looks like its going to be what everyone thought including them, that they aren't going to win a thing this year.

 

[Deuce]

Hey Cleveland should be used to heartbreak my now. Oh that may piss a couple off but hey at least I didn't say Modell 🙂

 

[Tickler15]

Hey Cleveland should be used to heartbreak my now. Oh that may piss a couple off but hey at least I didn't say Modell 🙂

Or Craig Ehlo, or Earnest Byner fumble.....

 

[Deuce]

Or Craig Ehlo, or Earnest Byner fumble.....

I sure a lot of them wake up in a cold sweat still just thinking of those Elway/Kosar games

 

[jaba]

In reading some posting from the Cavs message boards and from there paper online. I can't help but feel sorry for that fanbase.

The biggest game in Cavs history or at least one if the biggest games, and the team just rolls over for there king, guess they wanted to party with him and the Heat when they play in south beach because the city and the fans wanted it more than the team.

Then they follow that with loses to the T-wolves and Pistons, its like its in there heads all of a sudden.

This year I thought that Cleveland was going to show everyone that they can do it without Lebron, they were motivated, they were ready, they were going to do it, but it looks like its going to be what everyone thought including them, that they aren't going to win a thing this year.

Agreed. I don't fault Lebron for making his choice to go anywhere he wanted to play, but I think he could have done it a little more tactfully, for the Cleveland fans who supported him over the years.

But the way they compete without Lebron I thinks gives more credibility to his MVP selection last year. Cleveland is not very good without him, and he made a mediocre Cav team a contender.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

What difference does it make if he did it on TV, radio, the moon - the point is that he left. Cleveland would be just as mad if it weren't on TV.

 

[kis123]

What difference does it make if he did it on TV, radio, the moon - the point is that he left. Cleveland would be just as mad if it weren't on TV.

Oh, I don't think so......as a matter of fact, I know that isn't true. And I am NOT a fan of the Cavs or even NBA basketball, but I am a subscriber of business ethics, and this was just poor business sense on Mr. James' part.

It wasn't that he left; it was the way he did it. He duped the fans, he handcuffed the Cavs organization by holding out in the manner he did. Hell Dan Gilbert found out the same way the rest of the city did with an ESPN 1 hour special! Now I know just how much you love Mr James and that he can do no wrong in your eyes, but exactly how professional and generally classy was the way he handled it?

Or was it the backhanded lob at the team's owner charging racism that you find okay for the city to stomach? Dan Gilbert gave him and his entourage everything he ever wanted (including a lot of stuff those who don't live in Cleveland didn't even know about); a little respect and courtesy go a long way, even in Cleveland.🙄

Or was it the "what would you do?" commercial he put out shortly before the Cleveland/Miami game that you'd find okay if it were your home team? Even Michael Jordan called foul on him for that one. Now that I've mentioned Jordan, both he and Magic Johnson (true championship leaders in multiple championships) cried foul for what he did.

Let's compare Mr. James' exit with "Z's"; he took out a full page ad in the Cleveland Plain Dealer thanking the city of Cleveland and the Cavs organization for the opportunity but felt this was his final chance to get a championship before he eventually retires. Now do you hear anyone in the City of Cleveland (or even in the State of Ohio at that matter) upset over him taking his talents to South Beach? I dare you to find one person.....go ahead, I'll wait right here while you do, but I won't be holding my breath.

Cleveland fans don't get mad that you leave--they get mad over how you do it, plain and simple. I don't know why others cannot see this for what it is, but have gotten to the place where it becomes less and less of something to care about. If you don't live here and know the truth, you won't understand and only have the general media to go on. Mr. James was treated like a god here and he pissed on it and became a sidekick to Dwayne Wade. He'll NEVER be a true leader in the eyes of those that matter. But you keep backing him up--we know he has at least one friend around here.

Been meaning to ask you this question for awhile; I see you're a big fan of the Cowboys. If Tony Romo or any of your favorite players did what Mr. James did (in the manner he did it), that would be okay with you? Or would you feel betrayed and pissed in the way Cavs fans were treated? Oh, did I forget to mention that there is a possibility that your favorite player was being courted behind the league's and the Jerry Jones' back before his free agency period began? Would you be still singing the same song?

Well, "what would you do?"

 

[kis123]

As for the OP.....

I have no idea what's going on with the Cavs these days; it's like they've just given up. I knew they didn't have much to work with; no more Mr. James and no real chance to get any talent from the draft or free agency. But for Pete's sakes, please get up and play some basketball for crying out loud! Since the Miami loss, they've lost every game since.

I don't know what it'll take to get out of their slump, but someone had better figure it out asap because the joint is stinking up at the "Q!"

I am more concerned about my Browns; their stench from Sunday's game can still be smelled in Buffalo......... Glad I didn't waste my time watching it.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Oh, I don't think so......as a matter of fact, I know that isn't true. And I am NOT a fan of the Cavs or even NBA basketball, but I am a subscriber of business ethics, and this was just poor business sense on Mr. James' part.

It wasn't that he left; it was the way he did it. He duped the fans, he handcuffed the Cavs organization by holding out in the manner he did. Hell Dan Gilbert found out the same way the rest of the city did with an ESPN 1 hour special! Now I know just how much you love Mr James and that he can do no wrong in your eyes, but exactly how professional and generally classy was the way he handled it?

The only point I'll concede is about the owner. He could've gave him a heads up on what his plans were before he announced them publicly. And I don't have a problem with the TV special, I just thought it was too long. It shouldn't have passed 20-minutes.

I think he would've stayed in Cleveland had he been able to lure Chris Bosh there. It just sucked for LeBron that he played in the city of Cleveland because it didn't help in his recruitment of other players. He didn't mislead anyone, it just didn't work out the way he planned. And I'm no fan of Kobe Bryant but I'd feel the same if it were him.

Or was it the backhanded lob at the team's owner charging racism that you find okay for the city to stomach? Dan Gilbert gave him and his entourage everything he ever wanted; a little respect and courtesy go a long way, even in Cleveland.🙄

Or was it the "what would you do?" commercial he put out shortly before the Cleveland/Miami game that you'd find okay if it were your home team? Even Michael Jordan called foul on him for that one. Now that I've mentioned Jordan, both he and Magic Johnson (true championship leaders in multiple championships) cried foul for what he did.

The racism charges aren't legit. People were saying racist things to LeBron online after his announcement, but you can't allow that to speak for the entire city. And none of us are experiencing it all like he is.

LeBron had a comfortable life in Cleveland that he could've abused forever. His decision proves further that his desire to win trumps all.

The commercial was no big deal. It was his chance to get something off his chest. It's in accordance with other commericial's that Nike has done in the past to poke fun at things surrounding players. Remember Barley's "I Am Not a Role Model" commercial?

And why are people always using what other players said as evidence that LeBron did something wrong? Their opinions don't mean more because they were great players. They did things their way, LeBron is doing it his. And Magic and Michael weren't exactly the examples of ethical behavior to begin with.

(including a lot of stuff those who don't live in Cleveland didn't even know about)

How old are you? You're posting on this website so I assume you've heard of the internet. I guess I can question if you understand the power of the internet and social media. What makes you think that just because you live in the city where LeBron played that you people possess some information that the rest of world has no idea about. Cleveland is not the CIA.

Unless you have a connect to the team, the owner or the King himself then this claim is BS!

PS - BS! stands for BULLSHIT!

Let's compare Mr. James' exit with "Z's"; he took out a full page ad in the Cleveland Plain Dealer thanking the city of Cleveland and the Cavs organization for the opportunity but felt this was his final chance to get a championship before he eventually retires. Now do you hear anyone in the City of Cleveland (or even in the State of Ohio at that matter) upset over him taking his talents to South Beach? I dare you to find one person.....go ahead, I'll wait right here while you do, but I won't be holding my breath.

LeBron thanked the city of Cleveland too. And I can't believe you're really trying to compare the two departures. LeBron is a rare talent who will only be 31 when his contract with Miami expires. Ilgauskas, while a good player, is no LeBron. LeBron was the ingredient that meant the most to that team.

Cleveland fans don't get mad that you leave--they get mad over how you do it, plain and simple. I don't know why others cannot see this for what it is, but have gotten to the place where it becomes less and less of something to care about. If you don't live here and know the truth, you won't understand and only have the general media to go on. Mr. James was treated like a god here and he pissed on it and became a sidekick to Dwayne Wade. He'll NEVER be a true leader in the eyes of those that matter. But you keep backing him up--we know he has at least one friend around here.

Who exactly are "those that matter?"

And are you telling me that he would have been applauded had he gone about leaving in a more publicly correct way? Do you truly believe that he could leave with people feeling betrayed no matter what. I remember many signs in Cleveland on Dec. 2 saying that LeBron promised this and that. None of it had to do with his ESPN special.

And I'm sure there's a team in the midwest who would like a "sidekick" who can score 38-points in 3-quarters in a hostile environment.

Been meaning to ask you this question for awhile; I see you're a big fan of the Cowboys. If Tony Romo or any of your favorite players did what Mr. James did (in the manner he did it), that would be okay with you? Or would you feel betrayed and pissed in the way Cavs fans were treated? Oh, did I forget to mention that there is a possibility that your favorite player was being courted behind the league's and the Jerry Jones' back before his free agency period began? Would you be still singing the same song?

Well, "what would you do?"

The Dallas Cowboys are one of the premier sport's brands in the enitre world. Players and coaches want a chance to play with the Cowboys just for the name alone. This would never happen.

However, if a player of LeBron's caliber left my favorite team for another team I'd be pissed. I could care less about how it's done, the only thing that matters is the damage it does to my team.

And that's why I don't buy you saying that it was how he handled it that makes people so mad. Maybe you don't get it since you're not a fan, but people invest a lot of emotion into these teams. When you feel like you're so close to winning something and to have it all taken away, it hurts. Especially for a fan of Cleveland teams. That's why anyone who is more concerned with the TV special than they are with what it does to their team is not a true fan.

 

[kis123]

The only point I'll concede is about the owner. He could've gave him a heads up on what his plans were before he announced them publicly. And I don't have a problem with the TV special, I just thought it was too long. It shouldn't have passed 20-minutes.

If he would've done that, it might not have gone down so horribly. I could say this until I turn blue, but it's not what he did, it's how he did it. It reeked with brash immaturity so-called superstar brats operate. Considering how he carried himself at times, I did expect better from him. I guess it's just another case of an overpaid athlete giving all who brought him to where he is today the middle finger treatment.

I think he would've stayed in Cleveland had he been able to lure Chris Bosh there. It just sucked for LeBron that he played in the city of Cleveland because it didn't help in his recruitment of other players. He didn't mislead anyone, it just didn't work out the way he planned. And I'm no fan of Kobe Bryant but I'd feel the same if it were him.

Well at the time, Cleveland was pretty much all he had; they call it a "draft" for a reason. I guess I should we should be glad he didn't play a Eli Manning and whine himself to another team after being drafted. Now that was truly poor taste IMO.

Again, I won't turn myself blue with you; if you truly can't see how unprofessional his "decision" was and how poorly he handled everything there really isn't that much more to say. I guess we should wait for him to walk water for you too.

The racism charges aren't legit. People were saying racist things to LeBron online after his announcement, but you can't allow that to speak for the entire city. And none of us are experiencing it all like he is.

He backhandedly accused Dan Gilbert of racism.....not the other way around. He was just piggy backing the comments made by the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton "slavemaster" "slaveowner" BS

LeBron had a comfortable life in Cleveland that he could've abused forever. His decision proves further that his desire to win trumps all.

His decision proves that he'll always be the bridesmaid and never the bride unless Wade jumps ship or dies. I don't care if he scores 100 points against the Cavs, when the trophies and championships come, they won't be screaming his name as loudly as Wade's will they?

The commercial was no big deal. It was his chance to get something off his chest. It's in accordance with other commericial's that Nike has done in the past to poke fun at things surrounding players. Remember Barley's "I Am Not a Role Model" commercial?

How can you compare Barkley with LeBron amazes me! It's like comparing Jordan with Pippen--both great players but their roles were dramatically different. Besides, Barkley is still a slob IMO, but at least he didn't keep it a secret. I have respect for consistency.......

And why are people always using what other players said as evidence that LeBron did something wrong? Their opinions don't mean more because they were great players. They did things their way, LeBron is doing it his. And Magic and Michael weren't exactly the examples of ethical behavior to begin with.

No they weren't, but they didn't let their team and city down either did they? They LED their teams to championships--multiple ones. I said business ethics, not moral ones. If we had to discuss moral ones we'd have to include his piss poor excuse for a mother and the fact that he has two kids with baby mamma and not married. Let's just stick to the business side of things okay?

How old are you? You're posting on this website so I assume you've heard of the internet. I guess I can question if you understand the power of the internet and social media. What makes you think that just because you live in the city where LeBron played that you people possess some information that the rest of world has no idea about. Cleveland is not the CIA.

No need to be smart assed about it, but since you asked.....I'm old enough to be your mother and old enough to remember concepts such as loyalty and honesty, and earning respect; something seemingly lost on many of your generation to be replaced by rampant narcissism, self-asorbtion, and arrogance.

Unless you have a connect to the team, the owner or the King himself then this claim is BS!

PS - BS! stands for BULLSHIT!

Oh, another cute quip......oh snap! Really, why don't we just stick to the facts of the post. Or is this the best you can do? Let me know now so I don't waste my valuable time dealing with you. I do have better things to do than this.

Whether this would've taken place in Cleveland or any other of the 50 states I wouldn't have liked it because it was a multitude of bad business choices. He's been making bad ones since he dumped his agent for his high school buddy. The entourage Dan Gilbert had to pay for to give lockers, tickets, and parking spaces to were part of dealing with Mr. James. Were you aware of that? Maybe you were or not but you are now. He's pimped the Cavs organization the entire time he was there; the more he wanted, the more Gilbert gave him. For him to leave in the manner he did showed he really didn't give a shit at the end of the day and that's where I (and multitudes of others) cry foul.

LeBron thanked the city of Cleveland too. And I can't believe you're really trying to compare the two departures. LeBron is a rare talent who will only be 31 when his contract with Miami expires. Ilgauskas, while a good player, is no LeBron. LeBron was the ingredient that meant the most to that team.

His thanking Cleveland was an afterthought only AFTER Z did his. No one is denying that Mr. James is a rare talent. He is a rare talent who needs to grow up for a change, stop making excuses for childish behavior, and suck it up and live with the decisions he made. "What would you do?" Hell the entire city told him what they would've done. My 11 year old grand nephew would've handled it better.

Who exactly are "those that matter?"

And are you telling me that he would have been applauded had he gone about leaving in a more publicly correct way? Do you truly believe that he could leave with people feeling betrayed no matter what. I remember many signs in Cleveland on Dec. 2 saying that LeBron promised this and that. None of it had to do with his ESPN special.

And I'm sure there's a team in the midwest who would like a "sidekick" who can score 38-points in 3-quarters in a hostile environment.

Asked and previously answered by now. He'll always be a sidekick, not a predominant leader. If that's okay with him it's damn sure all right by me! But a true leader would have none of it, hence Jordan's and Magic's comments. Ignore them if you want, but they're the ones with the rings and legacies, not the Miami dream team.....or whatever the hell they're being called these days.

The Dallas Cowboys are one of the premier sport's brands in the enitre world. Players and coaches want a chance to play with the Cowboys just for the name alone. This would never happen.

Don't speak too soon; the coach has been fired and the Cowboys don't look so hot these days. Even Jerry Jones is on the firing line and he's the owner.

However, if a player of LeBron's caliber left my favorite team for another team I'd be pissed. I could care less about how it's done, the only thing that matters is the damage it does to my team.

Well you at least managed to answer the question. And don't you think the city of Cleveland cares about the damage it's done to their team in addition to being practically spit on on national television?

And that's why I don't buy you saying that it was how he handled it that makes people so mad. Maybe you don't get it since you're not a fan, but people invest a lot of emotion into these teams. When you feel like you're so close to winning something and to have it all taken away, it hurts. Especially for a fan of Cleveland teams. That's why anyone who is more concerned with the TV special than they are with what it does to their team is not a true fan.

Never told you I was a fan; but every fan here in the City hates what he did AND how he did it.