New Star Trek movie kicks ASS!!!

[Goodieluver]

I'm shocked that you think "flashback" is a superior idea to what this film did. As a writer, I have to say that that sort of storytelling device is one of the weakest, most boring and played out methods that anyone could use, much less a film trying to reboot a beloved franchise.

See i dont know what to call this movie

Is it a reboot or is it an alternate history?

Hell for a second while watching this, i was wondering if it was going to become the mirror universe.

 

[Korastus]

See i dont know what to call this movie

Is it a reboot or is it an alternate history?

Hell for a second while watching this, i was wondering if it was going to become the mirror universe.

It's essentially both. The plotline has created an alternate history, which is now what will play out in inevitable sequels.

 

[Goodieluver]

It's essentially both. The plotline has created an alternate history, which is now what will play out in inevitable sequels.

Right but if they decide to go thru the future movies again, eventually they will have to come to Kahn but will they deal with it as the movie Kahn or TV Kahn or both. Sure they have alot to play with right now and they do have alot of the source material that pre dates the trek movie(world war III\Eugenics wars)

 

[Korastus]

Right but if they decide to go thru the future movies again, eventually they will have to come to Kahn but will they deal with it as the movie Kahn or TV Kahn or both. Sure they have alot to play with right now and they do have alot of the source material that pre dates the trek movie(world war III\Eugenics wars)

It's true, they may have to deal with that eventually, but I'm not certain they'll be obligated to, as the film split off the new history from the original series history at a point before the Enterprise crew was born. Since time is changed, anything could happen now; even the slightest alteration in the timeline can have effects that no one can predict. (Barring a few things, I'm certain) they essentially have a clean slate to work with.

 

[kurchatovium]

Theyve done that too though in the series'

The problem is unless you use the TNG cast, a stand alone Trek cast would never survive a movie treatment without a background series.

Sure its easier to go back and rebuild on established topics but theres only so much can do. Pretty Much DS9 destroyed alot of the universe with the massive dominion war and Voyager took the only real threat in trek and made them kittens.

This movie brought the fans as well as just action\sci fi fans as well as those who only see a movie because its labeled as a blockbuster. Also a problem is Rick Berman is out of Trek now. That is good in some way cuz i felt Berman did do alot of damage but since it he out, he takes with him everything Trek already built on past present and future.

I heard they were gonna do another Star Trek movie from the TNG era. Have you heard anything about that? I heard it on G4.

 

[kurchatovium]

See i dont know what to call this movie

Is it a reboot or is it an alternate history?

Hell for a second while watching this, i was wondering if it was going to become the mirror universe.

Thats why I used the Highlander reference. It really kind trashes the whole timeline and Star Trek universe it seems. At the very least it confuses the hell out of it. 😛

 

[jkb]

See i dont know what to call this movie

Is it a reboot or is it an alternate history?

Hell for a second while watching this, i was wondering if it was going to become the mirror universe.

It's an alternate history, but it's an alternate history created by future (er, well, present....I'd say post-Nemesis) events in the regular storyline. It doesn't violate canon because it doesn't exist in the canon timeline, yet it isn't some sort of "glorified fanfic". It is NOT a reboot or prequel. Matter of fact, one could say it even takes place AFTER Nemesis--so to speak--and is truly Star Trek 11. Matter of fact, that's what I would say.

I don't understand why some people are so strongly against it. I mean, I myself was against this movie when I thought it was a prequel, but since it technically isn't, what's the problem. The series hasn't been reinvented, rebooted, redone, reimagined, or re-anything. The canon story hasn't been touched. So what's the problem?

Other than Spock and Uhura making out, of course. I wasn't too keen on that.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I'm shocked that you think "flashback" is a superior idea to what this film did. As a writer, I have to say that that sort of storytelling device is one of the weakest, most boring and played out methods that anyone could use, much less a film trying to reboot a beloved franchise, and it is not, by any means, a "fresh idea."

Well it's a hell of allot better then utterly disrespecting the people who have dedicated time and money into something only to be spit on for their years or loyalty. Besides isn't this film a form of "Flash Back" by virtue of it's sorry attempt to tell Kirk, Spock, and McCoys first meeting? Who the fuck decided this franchise needed a reboot anyway. All they need was to "Not have mad Nemesis" and it probably would have been fine. In fact the last two Trek films Captain Jean Luce Punktard and Commander Will Diaper were in sucked ass. They were so bad they actually stopped making them. Using the Original Characters in this piss hole film isn't fresh, it just prove Abram, Orci, and Kurtzman are to fucking lazy to come up with something of there own, or ignorant to respect what has come before.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Right but if they decide to go thru the future movies again, eventually they will have to come to Kahn but will they deal with it as the movie Kahn or TV Kahn or both. Sure they have alot to play with right now and they do have alot of the source material that pre dates the trek movie(world war III\Eugenics wars)

See they can't deal with Kahn, because Spock died, and then they went back to Vulcan so his spirit/mind (witch McCoy was holding) could be put back in his body. However they blew up Vulcan so guess what Spock doesn't get to come back and Bones will end up in the funny farm. Besides nobody else could play Khan other then Ricardo Montalban. If ol' JJ decides to fuck with that one I might have to get a hunting license and start hunting hack ass directors... when are they in season... ah it doesn't matter.

 

[kurchatovium]

Thanks you kurchatovium!

Think about this idea...

It's the Enterprise D, Capt John Harriman has told Kirk he has the bridge, but Kirk tells him "No your place is at the helm of your ship, I'll do it.". Moments later Kirk saves the day and the Enterprise D is saved. Capt Harriman call over to Kirk over the intercom letting him know he was successful but gets know response. Ensign Demora Sulu informs the Captain that several decks including the one Captain James T. Kirk was on were damaged (aka the walls are missing). Harriman, Commander Montgomery Scott and Pavel Checkoff soon stand where there friend and Captain James Kirk was sucked into the void of space... or so they believe.

A few days... maybe even a week later a ceremony is held to honor the, believed, dead captain. Hours later Checkoff, Sulu, Uhura (CGI) Scotty, and (CGI) McCoy are at Spock home talking about there fondest memories of there lost friend, when Uhura asks Spock, so tell us Mr. Spock, what was Jim like when you met him... and the story of Kirk's stepping in as Pike steps out begins.

Hey how do you like that, I came up with a fresh idea that would use a young cast, and some Archive footage with Shatner from "Star Trek: Generations". They can use Kirk and Spock, and add in there own characters, or use some of the characters from the un-aired pilot that featured Jeff Hunter as Pike. It would also be cool if they included Gary Mitchel from the episode "Where no man has gone before". I think this could have been an idea they might have considered if they actually bothered to research the show before they wrote the film.

I like this idea. At least it does not trash the series as much as the current movie does. A bit of research and thought was all that was necessary to get everyone on board I think.

 

[SlaverTickler]

See i dont know what to call this movie

Is it a reboot or is it an alternate history?

Hell for a second while watching this, i was wondering if it was going to become the mirror universe.

Hmm.. you know that would be an interesting swerve, except that the Mirror Mirror Kirk was promoted after killing Pike, instead of succeeding him when he was promoted. Plus I believe the people of that universe were pretty evil from the start. One of the best stories from the Enterprise series was the one about how Hoshie pretty much takes over Star Fleet with the USS Defiant (the ship that was fading in and out in the original series episode "The Tholian Web"). As the crew of the Enterprise NX-01 are taking the Defiant back to earth Hoshie kills Capt Archer, and takes command, when she gets to earth she tells them to surrender or she'll wipe them out. So there you have the Origin of the Mirror Mirror universes federation coming into power.

Wow am I a geek or what?
ST

 

[SlaverTickler]

I'll reserve my judgement for when I see the movie but the trailer leaves me unimpressed.

I really wished they took this seriously and cast Matt Damon as Kirk instead of one of those baby-faced flavor-of-the-month snot-nosed fifteen minute punks they scraped up from Lost or the O.C..

Oh well. Just as long as it dosn't have bungee jumping, some form of extreme sports, or product placement, I'll be happy.

Between your casting and my idea I think we could make a better movie then Abram did.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Calling starfleet a military is like calling NASA our military. To use the wiki definition "In the fictional universe of Star Trek, Starfleet is the defense, research, diplomacy, and exploration force of the United Federation of Planets (UFP)." and more from wiki

HA! Defense, research and diplomacy, well guess what defense happens to be a military job HAHAHA!!! Thank you for helping me win.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I'm not surprised to see the ultra-orthodox wing of the fandom upset about this. I once saw an argument on a Trek board in which the ultra-orthodox were trying to explain why Klingons didn't have brow-ridges in STTOS, and "Gene Roddenbery's SFX budget" wasn't a sufficient explanation. But the rest of us will have fun with it, and I foresee Trek coming back on the strength of this movie.

Actually they finally explained the Klingon thing in an episode of Enterprise. It had something to do with them using DNA from Eugenics off spring and trying to splice it with Knlingon DNA.

 

[SlaverTickler]

And why were those elements written into the series? Perhaps because the writers wanted to make the show more militaristic?

You act like the Star Trek universe is a real place - that events unfolded as they did because of real astro-political forces that made a real government called the Federation of Planets turn from a peaceful course to a military one.

No, every single thing that happened in every series happened because a group of writers in the 20th and 21st centuries wrote it that way. Had they wanted the Klingons and the Romulans to become pals with the Federation then they would have written it that way (in fact, with the Klingons they did, eventually). Had they not wanted the Borg to show up, then they never would have.

The writers wrote it that way because they wanted to militarize the Trek universe, because that's what they thought would sell.

First of all, I am aware that the Star Trek universe is a fiction place. Are you aware that as a fan who has (how many times have I said this?) invested his time an money I feel I have a right to be pissed when somebody comes along and decides "Fuck you loyal viewers we are going to take everything thats come before, take a big shit on it and rub it in your face!". If you want to do a back story that is great, I love seeing where characters came from and how they became they way they are/will be. I'm saying Abram is an ass hole because he went about it in a manner that disrespects long time fans, and that is not cool.

By the way, if Star Trek 2 had been a flop like the first one had, then do you really think there would have been a 3rd, and there for a Star Trek TNG? Not to likely.

 

[tkljim]

Thought the movie was emmence, best of the year so far in my eyes. Thought Spock/sylar stole the show.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I like this idea. At least it does not trash the series as much as the current movie does. A bit of research and thought was all that was necessary to get everyone on board I think.

Thank you for having my back. This man is a true Trekie. (party in my mother basement next week end bro 😀).

 

[Korastus]

I'm saying Abram is an ass hole because he went about it in a manner that disrespects long time fans, and that is not cool.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that he didn't really disrespect anything, since actors who were IN the show liked the movie, including Leonard Nimoy, who turned down multiple opportunities to reprise his role as Spock up until Abrams spoke to him about this movie.

 

[Goodieluver]

See they can't deal with Kahn, because Spock died, and then they went back to Vulcan so his spirit/mind (witch McCoy was holding) could be put back in his body. However they blew up Vulcan so guess what Spock doesn't get to come back and Bones will end up in the funny farm. Besides nobody else could play Khan other then Ricardo Montalban. If ol' JJ decides to fuck with that one I might have to get a hunting license and start hunting hack ass directors... when are they in season... ah it doesn't matter.

They went back to Vulcan\Mount Selei because thats where the Vulcan High Priestesses were. Vulcans survived the implosion of Vulcan and even future Spock said, they would begin to rebuild their civilization

 

[Goodieluver]

Hmm.. you know that would be an interesting swerve, except that the Mirror Mirror Kirk was promoted after killing Pike, instead of succeeding him when he was promoted. Plus I believe the people of that universe were pretty evil from the start. One of the best stories from the Enterprise series was the one about how Hoshie pretty much takes over Star Fleet with the USS Defiant (the ship that was fading in and out in the original series episode "The Tholian Web"). As the crew of the Enterprise NX-01 are taking the Defiant back to earth Hoshie kills Capt Archer, and takes command, when she gets to earth she tells them to surrender or she'll wipe them out. So there you have the Origin of the Mirror Mirror universes federation coming into power.

Wow am I a geek or what?
ST

I like better how DS9 took the mirror universe. How good Kirk influenced Evil Spock to change his ways and eventually the Klingon Empire conquered Earth and there was a rebellion against

 

[Goodieluver]

HA! Defense, research and diplomacy, well guess what defense happens to be a military job HAHAHA!!! Thank you for helping me win.

Yes, let me know when i get drafted into NASA too since you think the two groups are similar.

 

[Korastus]

HA! Defense, research and diplomacy, well guess what defense happens to be a military job HAHAHA!!! Thank you for helping me win.

Research and diplomacy aren't. Remind me when one out of three became a victory?

 

[jkb]

I STILL don't get the hostility against this movie. How did it disrespect longtime fans. Matter of fact, like I said before, not only is this NOT a reboot/prequel, but this could be said to take place AFTER Nemesis (in a sense, at least in that the movie's conflict originated there). This doesn't go back and simply retell Kirk and Spock's first meeting because this takes place in an alternate history created from future events happening in the main timeline.

I am at a loss to understand how this movie could be a reboot, retelling, or disrespect towards longtime fans. Besides the fact that it was completely awesome, it doesn't violate main canon in any way (it barely even touches it). Since it's an alternate history rather than a rewrite (if anything, this movie follows Dragon Ball Z's laws of time travel, not Back to the Future's), it doesn't negate ANYTHING that happened in the Original Series (or any other series/movie for that matter). I could understand if one didn't like the movie, but how is this disrespect towards longtime fans?

 

[SlaverTickler]

Yes, let me know when i get drafted into NASA too since you think the two groups are similar.

Don't you think that if man goes that far out into space, and if they are colonising other planets that they are going to need a military force to protect them from hostile aliens, and that Star Fleet would, as part of it's purpose in Kirk's time, be to DEFEND those people as a military force?

 

[Korastus]

I STILL don't get the hostility against this movie. How did it disrespect longtime fans. Matter of fact, like I said before, not only is this NOT a reboot/prequel, but this could be said to take place AFTER Nemesis (in a sense, at least in that the movie's conflict originated there). This doesn't go back and simply retell Kirk and Spock's first meeting because this takes place in an alternate history created from future events happening in the main timeline.

I am at a loss to understand how this movie could be a reboot, retelling, or disrespect towards longtime fans. Besides the fact that it was completely awesome, it doesn't violate main canon in any way (it barely even touches it). Since it's an alternate history rather than a rewrite (if anything, this movie follows Dragon Ball Z's laws of time travel, not Back to the Future's), it doesn't negate ANYTHING that happened in the Original Series (or any other series/movie for that matter). I could understand if one didn't like the movie, but how is this disrespect towards longtime fans?

Well, its technically a reboot because future movies are going to follow this continuity. But your analysis is correct, and rather insightful.
People are just bitter and afraid of change.