New Star Trek movie kicks ASS!!!

[SlaverTickler]

Angry Video Game Nerd...

True. This would be an improvement over Jar Jar Binks.

What wouldn't be!

In light of J.J. Abram's raping of the Star Trek Universe the man known as "James the Angry Video Game Nerd" pulled out an old tape where he talks of Star Trek games past. Man this guy must have every system ever made.

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[Sandrock74]

I liked the movie, but the Prime reality will always be the real deal to me. By the way, did anyone else cringe when Uhura ordered a "Cardassian Sunrise" at the bar? The Federation did not come across the Cardassians until much later! That was my first nerd-rage moment.

Then I decided to just let it go and have fun.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I was right...

I am watching the Menagerie Part 1 and Kirk says "We met when he was promoted to Fleet Captain" It is also stated that Spock served with him for 11 years, 4 months, 5 days. The Commodore also states "He's about your age, a big hansom man, strong vital." to Kirk. That actually makes it sound like Kirk is older then Pike, but I think they meant it the other way around. So I guess J.J. and his writers (whom are supposed to be hard core Trekies but obviously aren't) prove they simply wanted to make a Sci-Fi movie and pimp it out by calling it Star Trek.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Typecasting makes me sad.

He does a really fantastic job, not only respecting the original portrayal of the character, but making it his own, which is an absolutely crucial part of everyone's performance in this film: they respect the origins of the characters without being mired in trying to redo the performances of other actors.

I agree with the type casting comment. Type casting is, in my opinion, a great diservice to actors, as it boxs them in and gives them little, if any room to grow.

Mainly what i mean by my comment was that the charactor Syler is, IMOand i admit i haven;t seen every episode of heroes, just a walking ball of emotional energy, mainly seeming to be pissed off and have a lot of agression. Taking the same actor and putting him in a role where he is supposed to express no emotions at all just seemed like a very strange choice to me. That being said, the man is getting rave reviews, so i look forward to seeing his preformance.

 

[Dussicar]

I'll reserve my judgement for when I see the movie but the trailer leaves me unimpressed.

I really wished they took this seriously and cast Matt Damon as Kirk instead of one of those baby-faced flavour-of-the-month snot-nosed fifteen minute punks they scraped up from Lost or the O.C..

Oh well. Just as long as it dosen't have bungee jumping, some form of extreme sports, or product placement, I'll be happy.

 

[Viden]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, I had the same reservations but he blew me away

I completely agree Bella, I was a lil ify myself about this and I LOVED IT!! I myself and a trek geek and loved all the series for their own reasons as well as the movies. The theater applauded the movie after it was finished as well, I loved that. I think they got the characters spot on, I loved the tributes to the original series as well, it was great.

As for those "trekies" who continue to bash this film, go cry in the corner. Change always happens to everything eventually so deal with it. JJ Abrams is an awesome writer and director, regardless of what you think. And he even WARNED you "trekies" that he wasn't going with cannon, and making his own Trek film. For trekies I'm suprised you didn't do your research and see the interviews with him where he stated such. I think the fact that Lenord Nemoy came in to reprise his roll of Spock says enough there about it being accepted, since he wouldn't have done it if it wasn't acceptable for the Trek title.

The cast was great, it's a great movie for trekers of young and old. I'm not sure if this is what Paramount had been talking about, but years ago I had heard that they wanted to start another series with a movie first, perhaps this will be their try, an alternate Star Trek universe. Not like the other series haven't shown alternate universes out there before lol.

If you like Sci-Fi movies go see it, if you like Trek and can handle "change" go see it, it's awesome and greatly acted and cast!

 

[Korastus]

I completely agree Bella, I was a lil ify myself about this and I LOVED IT!! I myself and a trek geek and loved all the series for their own reasons as well as the movies. The theater applauded the movie after it was finished as well, I loved that. I think they got the characters spot on, I loved the tributes to the original series as well, it was great.

I think the fact that Lenord Nemoy came in to reprise his roll of Spock says enough there about it being accepted, since he wouldn't have done it if it wasn't acceptable for the Trek title.
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You're absolutely right, and this is a point I completely forgot to make.
Leonard Nimoy not only agreed to be in the movie, he liked the film as well. If its good enough for Spock, people really shouldn't be whining. XD

 

[jkb]

I thought the film was canon (not that I would notice all that many canoncy (sp?) violations). It fits in the continuity because it's not part of the continuity. It's not a prequel or reboot or anything like that. I don't want to spoil it for anyone who didn't see it by explaining that sentence, but the movie made sense even for those worried about canon, and was pure awesome.

 

[Redmage]

Typecasting makes me sad.

Indeed. Quinto shouldn't have to live down Sylar for the rest of his life, simply because that was his breakout role.

He does a really fantastic job, not only respecting the original portrayal of the character, but making it his own, which is an absolutely crucial part of everyone's performance in this film: they respect the origins of the characters without being mired in trying to redo the performances of other actors.

And thank God for that. If I want William Shatner I have my Priceline commercials to keep me warm.

 

[Gothika]

have it just have not wateched it yet but will mayby tonight

 

[BellaRisa]

have it just have not wateched it yet but will mayby tonight

Dude, if by having it you mean a bootleg copy go see it on the screen, it's SO worth it

 

[Gothika]

Dude, if by having it you mean a bootleg copy go see it on the screen, it's SO worth it

would love to but me and sae are so broke right now we cannot even afford a crumb someone at the bank scrood up and now we lost everything we had in there for bills and stuff and i am realy pissed about that and there is nothing we can do we have tried but if we had it would be nice to go out and see it

 

[Goodieluver]

The changes Myer made improved Star Trek, but he stayed true to the history and respected the characters. All Gene Roddenberry ever wanted to do was make a film where the crew travels back in time to save Kennedy. Not that it wouldn't have been and interesting film, but who would go to see it. Star Fleet is a military, they fight wars in outer space, remember the Klingons and Romulans. Next Gen was a bunch of suck ass diplomats flying around in a space ship. I remember when Kirks brother died on the show, he didn't lock himself in his room and cry like a bitch, he sucked it up and got the job done (and probably cried later), unlike Captain "Punktard" who spent blubbered like a fool in front of Troy when he had a job to do, no to mention taking it out on Riker... who I didn't like either.

Don't piss me off, cause my spelling only gets worse lol.

Roddenberry also did the first movie which pissed off the movie execs because it sucked. His vision of it was great but it didnt fit the screen. Point being they took a genre that was not based on war but about exploration and science and turned it into what sells to most of the male audience. Tech and explosions

Starfleet is not a military. Its a branch that explores the universe. Its weaponry are for defensive purposes but even as the spoken charter of the series "to seek out new life and new civilizations"

After Roddenberry died and they introduced the Borg, its been nothing but militaristic stories in TNG\DS9\VOY and the same for the movies nearly since 2.

As for the Picard mocking, the issue of his family dying was set up from earlier in the season(yes you are referring to generations) but hell, the ENTIRE TNG series was the evolution of Picard and Data. Both of them becoming more "human." Picard went from a strict officer to one who developed kindness and acceptance to others. After his Borg incident he went home to his family and for the first time you see Picard let out his emotions after what he was forced to do due to the Borg. That episode sets up his family relations and how much they meant to him, esp when he loses them in Generations.

 

[Goodieluver]

Technically it imploded.

Also tech, shouldn't it be somewhere backwards\forewards in time?

 

[SlaverTickler]

Roddenberry also did the first movie which pissed off the movie execs because it sucked. His vision of it was great but it didnt fit the screen. Point being they took a genre that was not based on war but about exploration and science and turned it into what sells to most of the male audience. Tech and explosions

Starfleet is not a military. Its a branch that explores the universe. Its weaponry are for defensive purposes but even as the spoken charter of the series "to seek out new life and new civilizations"

After Roddenberry died and they introduced the Borg, its been nothing but militaristic stories in TNG\DS9\VOY and the same for the movies nearly since 2.

As for the Picard mocking, the issue of his family dying was set up from earlier in the season(yes you are referring to generations) but hell, the ENTIRE TNG series was the evolution of Picard and Data. Both of them becoming more "human." Picard went from a strict officer to one who developed kindness and acceptance to others. After his Borg incident he went home to his family and for the first time you see Picard let out his emotions after what he was forced to do due to the Borg. That episode sets up his family relations and how much they meant to him, esp when he loses them in Generations.

Star Fleet is military, it can't help but be military. They have Military Training, they have big ass Phaser Cannons and Photon Torpedoes. They were originally about space exploration and science, but once they met the Klingons and Romulans they became a military outfit as well. Once they met the Borg in TNG (because Will Ryker mouthed of to Q I might add) they had to become more military because they had an extremely powerful foe to contend with. Roddenberry's dream was to see people of all types working together for the greater good, sometimes to reach that goal you have to get a little violent against those who would oppress your freedom. In Star Trek's case it was the Imperial wills of the Romulians and the Klingons.

Oh, the first movie sucked because it was rushed. The wanted to get it out either ahead of, or at the same time as Star Wars. The should have just waited a year and put out something good the next summer. If not for the success of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn I honestly believe the franchise would have died pre-80's.

 

[SlaverTickler]

And thank God for that. If I want William Shatner I have my Priceline commercials to keep me warm.

There was no need for that pot shot, the man is a fine actor, and did an awesome job on Boston Legal.

 

[kurchatovium]

For me there is only one Kirk and that was immortalized by Shatner. I watched the series over and over. I bought all the toys and goodies. I even had a plastic enterprise and Star Trek Manual. 😀 To be totally honest I dont really like JJ Abrams trying to redo something because he does not have the imagination to make a new Star Trek universe. It would have been easy to have pushed the series farther into the future and have more interesting encounters and more interesting technology, but no he had to remake the same thing all over again. What inspiring creativity. I know that is Hollywood. Heck I live here so I know it as well as anyone but that doesnt mean I gotta buy a ticket to the show and I for one wont spend a dime on this overdressed rehash or any of its sequels. *Gets off the soapbox waving his cane in the air. 😛 *

 

[Goodieluver]

Star Fleet is military, it can't help but be military. They have Military Training, they have big ass Phaser Cannons and Photon Torpedoes. They were originally about space exploration and science, but once they met the Klingon's and Romulans they became a military outfit as well. Once they met the Borg in TNG (because Will Ryker mouthed of to Q I might add) they had to become more military because they had an extremely powerful foe to contend with. Roddenberry's dream was to see people of all types working together for the greater good, sometime to reach that goal you have to get a little violent against those who would oppress you freedom. In Star Treks case it was the Imperial wills of the Romulians and the Klingons.

Oh, the first movie sucked because it was rushed. The wanted to get it out either ahead of, or at the same time as Star Wars. The should have just waited a year and put out something good the next summer. If not for the success of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn I honestly believe the franchise would have died pre-80's.

Calling starfleet a military is like calling NASA our military. To use the wiki definition "In the fictional universe of Star Trek, Starfleet is the defense, research, diplomacy, and exploration force of the United Federation of Planets (UFP)." and more from wiki

Starfleet has been shown to handle diplomatic, scientific, and defense missions, although their main mandate seems to be peaceful exploration in the search of sentient life. The flagship of Starfleet is often considered to be the starship USS Enterprise, even though that ship has generally not been commanded by a flag officer.

In the early years of Starfleet, as seen in Star Trek: Enterprise, Starfleet's mission is purely exploration and is not military in any sense except for weapons designed for defensive capabilities until the retrofitting of the Enterprise (NX-01) and the incorporation of MACOs after the Xindi attack on Earth. It is assumed this trend continues as Starfleet adopts a more traditional military role and assumes its regular place as the exploratory and defensive arm of the United Federation of Planets.

and im not saying II sucked, i enjoyed it as well, but its an accepted fact that star trek was changed with II

 

[Goodieluver]

For me there is only one Kirk and that was immortalized by Shatner. I watched the series over and over. I bought all the toys and goodies. I even had a plastic enterprise and Star Trek Manual. 😀 To be totally honest I dont really like JJ Abrams trying to redo something because he does not have the imagination to make a new Star Trek universe. It would have been easy to have pushed the series farther into the future and have more interesting encounters and more interesting technology, but no he had to remake the same thing all over again. What inspiring creativity. I know that is Hollywood. Heck I live here so I know it as well as anyone but that doesnt mean I gotta buy a ticket to the show and I for one wont spend a dime on this overdressed rehash or any of its sequels. *Gets off the soapbox waving his cane in the air. 😛 *

If anything, this movie is like one of the novels that came out over the years. Its partially canon but the issue becomes is it widespread canon of the genre or by fans?

Hell, in some of the books Kirk comes back to life and is accepted by some as canon. The only way we will really know is if future movies draw back on this or if this is a stand alone\one shot deal

Its also like with Enterprise. Parts of it are completely wrong but are accepted as canon. Some of the stuff is good and some is god awful

 

[Redmage]

Star Fleet is military, it can't help but be military. They have Military Training, they have big ass Phaser Cannons and Photon Torpedoes. They were originally about space exploration and science, but once they met the Klingon's and Romulans they became a military outfit as well. Once they met the Borg in TNG (because Will Ryker mouthed of to Q I might add) they had to become more military because they had an extremely powerful foe to contend with.

And why were those elements written into the series? Perhaps because the writers wanted to make the show more militaristic?

You act like the Star Trek universe is a real place - that events unfolded as they did because of real astro-political forces that made a real government called the Federation of Planets turn from a peaceful course to a military one.

No, every single thing that happened in every series happened because a group of writers in the 20th and 21st centuries wrote it that way. Had they wanted the Klingons and the Romulans to become pals with the Federation then they would have written it that way (in fact, with the Klingons they did, eventually). Had they not wanted the Borg to show up, then they never would have.

The writers wrote it that way because they wanted to militarize the Trek universe, because that's what they thought would sell.

Oh, the first movie sucked because it was rushed. The wanted to get it out either ahead of, or at the same time as Star Wars.

Not unless they were in a time-travel plotline themselves. Star Wars came out in May 1977. Star Trek the Motionless Picture (subtitle: Where Nomad Has Gone Before) came out in December 1979.

Trek I sucked just because it sucked.

If not for the success of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn I honestly believe the franchise would have died pre-80's.

Probably not: see above re: 1979 - that was pre-80s. It was on life-support after Trek I, but Trek II didn't rescue it until the summer of 1982. And then TNG came out in 1987.

For me there is only one Kirk and that was immortalized by Shatner. I watched the series over and over. I bought all the toys and goodies. I even had a plastic enterprise and Star Trek Manual. 😀 To be totally honest I dont really like JJ Abrams trying to redo something because he does not have the imagination to make a new Star Trek universe. It would have been easy to have pushed the series farther into the future and have more interesting encounters and more interesting technology, but no he had to remake the same thing all over again. What inspiring creativity. I know that is Hollywood. Heck I live here so I know it as well as anyone but that doesnt mean I gotta buy a ticket to the show and I for one wont spend a dime on this overdressed rehash or any of its sequels. *Gets off the soapbox waving his cane in the air. 😛 *

It's unlikely that they could have "pushed the series farther into the future and have more interesting encounters and more interesting technology." The Trek franchise has been moldering ever since the disastrous Voyager series and the truly awful Nemesis movie, and ST: Enterprise didn't do much to revive it.

The series was dying even with characters that fans knew and (mostly) cared something about. Trying to make an entire movie with characters that no one had ever even heard of almost certainly would have been disastrous. If they wanted to revive the franchise at all, the only way was to take another look at characters that were well-known and loved, and none fit that bill better than the characters from STTOS.

And make no mistake, this is reviving the franchise. Though they'll have to get along without the money of ultra-orthodox trekkies like you and ST, the new Trek film is taking off like nothing Trek has done in many, many years. You have your opinion of Abrams, and $76.5 million in the opening weekend has another. Methinks the studio will listen to the money.

I'm not surprised to see the ultra-orthodox wing of the fandom upset about this. I once saw an argument on a Trek board in which the ultra-orthodox were trying to explain why Klingons didn't have brow-ridges in STTOS, and "Gene Roddenbery's SFX budget" wasn't a sufficient explanation. But the rest of us will have fun with it, and I foresee Trek coming back on the strength of this movie.

 

[kurchatovium]

If anything, this movie is like one of the novels that came out over the years. Its partially canon but the issue becomes is it widespread canon of the genre or by fans?

Hell, in some of the books Kirk comes back to life and is accepted by some as canon. The only way we will really know is if future movies draw back on this or if this is a stand alone\one shot deal

Yea I can kinda see that. They do that with a lot of comic book characters. Hell even the HighLander Sequels are a mish mosh of time and space LOL. I guess I am a bit of a purist in that sense and wish they would just leave the original timeline alone. I really would have like to seen Star Trek shoot even farther into the futrure though like 26th century just to see what additional advances they have and what beings they encounter. They seem to keep wanting to go backwards. Like with the TV series Enterprise which predates Kirk and Pike I think.

 

[SlaverTickler]

For me there is only one Kirk and that was immortalized by Shatner. I watched the series over and over. I bought all the toys and goodies. I even had a plastic enterprise and Star Trek Manual. 😀 To be totally honest I dont really like JJ Abrams trying to redo something because he does not have the imagination to make a new Star Trek universe. It would have been easy to have pushed the series farther into the future and have more interesting encounters and more interesting technology, but no he had to remake the same thing all over again. What inspiring creativity. I know that is Hollywood. Heck I live here so I know it as well as anyone but that doesnt mean I gotta buy a ticket to the show and I for one wont spend a dime on this overdressed rehash or any of its sequels. *Gets off the soapbox waving his cane in the air. 😛 *

Thanks you kurchatovium!

Think about this idea...

It's the Enterprise D, Capt John Harriman has told Kirk he has the bridge, but Kirk tells him "No your place is at the helm of your ship, I'll do it.". Moments later Kirk saves the day and the Enterprise D is saved. Capt Harriman calls to Kirk over the intercom letting him know he was successful but gets no response. Ensign Demora Sulu informs the Captain that several decks including the one Captain James T. Kirk was on were damaged (aka the walls are missing). Harriman, Commander Montgomery Scott and Pavel Checkoff soon stand where there friend and Captain James Kirk was sucked into the void of space... or so they believe.

A few days... maybe even a week later a ceremony is held to honor the, believed, dead captain. Hours later Checkoff, Sulu, Uhura (CGI) Scotty, and (CGI) McCoy are at Spocks home talking about there fondest memories of thier lost friend, when Uhura asks Spock, so tell us Mr. Spock, what was Jim like when you met him... and the story of Kirk's stepping in as Pike steps out begins.

Hey how do you like that, I came up with a fresh idea that would use a young cast, and some Archive footage with Shatner from "Star Trek: Generations". They can use Kirk and Spock, and add in there own characters, or use some of the characters from the un-aired pilot that featured Jeff Hunter as Pike. It would also be cool if they included Gary Mitchel from the episode "Where no man has gone before". I think this could have been an idea they might have considered if they actually bothered to research the show before they wrote the film.

 

[Goodieluver]

It's unlikely that they could have "pushed the series farther into the future and have more interesting encounters and more interesting technology." The Trek franchise has been moldering ever since the disastrous Voyager series and the truly awful Nemesis movie, and ST: Enterprise didn't do much to revive it.

The series was dying even with characters that fans knew and (mostly) cared something about. Trying to make an entire movie with characters that no one had ever even heard of almost certainly would have been disastrous. If they wanted to revive the franchise at all, the only way was to take another look at characters that were well-known and loved, and none fit that bill better than the characters from STTOS.

And make no mistake, this is reviving the franchise. Though they'll have to get along without the money of ultra-orthodox trekkies like you and ST, the new Trek film is taking off like nothing Trek has done in many, many years. You have your opinion of Abrams, and $76.5 million in the opening weekend has another. Methinks the studio will listen to the money.

I'm not surprised to see the ultra-orthodox wing of the fandom upset about this. I once saw an argument on a Trek board in which the ultra-orthodox were trying to explain why Klingons didn't have brow-ridges in STTOS, and "Gene Roddenbery's SFX budget" wasn't a sufficient explanation. But the rest of us will have fun with it, and I foresee Trek coming back on the strength of this movie.

Why do you say Nemesis was bad? I felt it was a good sendoff and final closure on issues. Its far beyond Insurrection which i consider the worst trek movie ever, squeaking past 1 and 5. Voyager did bad because lack of star power and trek was just played out. The only reason DS9 kept its audience was due to some star power(brooks) and that they pretty much used the Babylon 5 script and tweaked it and involved the entire universe into a massive war.(and if you think about it, DS9 WAS a ripoff of Babylon 5 in nearly every way)

I am a big trek fan but i enjoyed it for what it is. When you take into account the events right off the start, i can allow what changes are made because it is a brand new series pretty much. My only problem came comparing the originals to the new cast. Urban was spot on as McCoy but i disliked the comic relief part of Scotty and parts of Quinto irked me as spock. Ive already stated my disdain for Bana in this movie as well.

This was a darkish industrial take of star trek, in a sense it was a modern take on star trek. In the 70's it was made to look what the future could look like but it was still a 70's hollywood stage. In this trek movie, its made\looks like a realistic take on a star ship\space\etc. This movie actually makes you see in a way just how big a star ship is and how the lower decks are kinda seedy and warehouse like.


as for the klingon aspect, yeah its been a long standing debate, but DS9\Worf said it best "Its a part of our history we don't discuss with outsiders"

 

[Goodieluver]

Yea I can kinda see that. They do that with a lot of comic book characters. Hell even the HighLander Sequels are a mish mosh of time and space LOL. I guess I am a bit of a purist in that sense and wish they would just leave the original timeline alone. I really would have like to seen Star Trek shoot even farther into the futrure though like 26th century just to see what additional advances they have and what beings they encounter. They seem to keep wanting to go backwards. Like with the TV series Enterprise which predates Kirk and Pike I think.

Theyve done that too though in the series'

The problem is unless you use the TNG cast, a stand alone Trek cast would never survive a movie treatment without a background series.

Sure its easier to go back and rebuild on established topics but theres only so much can do. Pretty Much DS9 destroyed alot of the universe with the massive dominion war and Voyager took the only real threat in trek and made them kittens.

This movie brought the fans as well as just action\sci fi fans as well as those who only see a movie because its labeled as a blockbuster. Also a problem is Rick Berman is out of Trek now. That is good in some way cuz i felt Berman did do alot of damage but since it he out, he takes with him everything Trek already built on past present and future.

 

[Korastus]

Thanks you kurchatovium!

Think about this idea...

It's the Enterprise D, Capt John Harriman has told Kirk he has the bridge, but Kirk tells him "No your place is at the helm of your ship, I'll do it.". Moments later Kirk saves the day and the Enterprise D is saved. Capt Harriman call over to Kirk over the intercom letting him know he was successful but gets know response. Ensign Demora Sulu informs the Captain that several decks including the one Captain James T. Kirk was on were damaged (aka the walls are missing). Harriman, Commander Montgomery Scott and Pavel Checkoff soon stand where there friend and Captain James Kirk was sucked into the void of space... or so they believe.

A few days... maybe even a week later a ceremony is held to honor the, believed, dead captain. Hours later Checkoff, Sulu, Uhura (CGI) Scotty, and (CGI) McCoy are at Spock home talking about there fondest memories of there lost friend, when Uhura asks Spock, so tell us Mr. Spock, what was Jim like when you met him... and the story of Kirk's stepping in as Pike steps out begins.

Hey how do you like that, I came up with a fresh idea that would use a young cast, and some Archive footage with Shatner from "Star Trek: Generations". They can use Kirk and Spock, and add in there own characters, or use some of the characters from the un-aired pilot that featured Jeff Hunter as Pike. It would also be cool if they included Gary Mitchel from the episode "Where no man has gone before". I think this could have been an idea they might have considered if they actually bothered to research the show before they wrote the film.

I'm shocked that you think "flashback" is a superior idea to what this film did. As a writer, I have to say that that sort of storytelling device is one of the weakest, most boring and played out methods that anyone could use, much less a film trying to reboot a beloved franchise, and it is not, by any means, a "fresh idea."