New Star Trek movie kicks ASS!!!

[kurchatovium]

See the above post. The franchise's storyline couldn't be more intact if they put in a titanium case, buried it in the Pacific Ocean, and left the entrance password in Gene Roddenberry's corpse's pocket.

You dont understand there was no need to go back and redo this series. Its like everything before was just a dream. There was no need to reinvent Kirk, Spock, McCoy. I for one want no part of it. They could have pushed the story forward into the future like TNG did. They did not. For me I wont watch it or any sequels. Thats just me though. The new series might do fine and thats great for those that like it. Like I said I dont have a lot of money to spend on movies or DVDs so I will save it for things I actually dont need to struggle with reinvented timelines or storylines.

 

[♡AimLEE♡]

to this whole thread.

 

[kurchatovium]

to this whole thread.

Us Star Trek geeks are somethin aint we. LMAO. 😛

 

[Goodieluver]

Trek was failing when the latest movie came out too - in fact, it's been failing for even longer. But this movie is succeeding because it's good. Nemesis failed because it wasn't good. The state of the franchise depends on the success of the films and TV series, not the other way round.

Like I said, making a movie out of Picard's evil Romulan twin was a bad idea from the start. It was poorly executed on top of that. Make up any excuses for it that you like, but the millions being brought in at the box office right now disagree with you.

That was true in TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. Heck, it was even true to some extent on TOS, as the sequential encounters with Harry Mudd and a few other recurring characters show.

TNG didnt have a linear timeline so much

But the reason the current film is soaring is for reasons i listed above. Its a sci fi movie, its an action movie, and its a blockbuster movie. Most of the movies draw\center on the sci fi and the Enterprise. In this movie, the Enterprise isn't a character like the other movies were, it was focused more on characters and non ship action. It was made for the average viewer, same for iron man and the other comic movies.

 

[Goodieluver]

No, I'm saying the opposite. You DID see the movie, right? It's pretty clear in the movie that NOTHING was negated and that everything from the main timeline is still perfectly intact. Like I said, this movie follows Dragon Ball Z's laws of time travel, not Back to the Future's. What that means is as follows:

--In Back to the Future, if you went back in time and changed history, the timeline you knew was GONE FOREVER, replaced by a new path. In Back to the Future 2, Biff receives a sports almanac from his future self in 1955, changing history. The 1985 that Marty and Doc knew had disappeared from history, replaced with a completely new 1985 where Biff had power over everybody. If the Star Trek movie followed this law of time travel, then every Trek film and episode you've ever seen no longer "exists", so to speak. But that is NOT the case. Instead:

--In Dragon Ball Z, if you went back in time and changed history, the timeline you knew was NOT gone forever and still perfectly intact, but a new alternate history reflecting your changes would coexist along with it. In DBZ, when Trunks traveled back from the Dead Future to give Goku the heart medication so he (Goku) could destroy the androids that destroyed the world, he DIDN'T negate the dark future he grew up in. When Trunks traveled back to the future, he still ended up in his own post-apocalyptic timeline and had to fight the androids himself. But because of his interference, an alternate non-apocalyptic timeline was ALSO created where Goku fought Cell, Majin Buu, and searched for the Black Star Dragon Balls (in other words, where the main series continued to take place). Neither timeline negated, erased, or overwrote the other; rather they BOTH exist. THIS same principle is present in the Star Trek movie. BOTH the main series we all grew up with AND this movie exist together, side-by-side (along with the Mirror Universe, of course).

So nothing has been negated. The main series timeline still exists, intact and untouched. Nothing has been rebooted, reloaded, reentered, reimagined, rewound, etc. Not only is this NOT a prequel, but this is closer to a SEQUEL. The story REALLY begins AFTER Nemesis and the franchise will likely continue from there. Any other stories taking place in the Chris Pine/Zachary Quinto universe are no different and have no more bearing on the franchise than stories taking place in the Mirror Universe. So unless you think Spock with a beard destroyed the Trek franchise, just chill out. Everything's fine.

Cool?

Also Trek has also established the alternate timeline theory multiple times

There is the mirror universe established in TOS\DS9. The other universe in Yesterdays Enterprise which resulted in Tasha Yar surviving\her romulan daughter. There was an ep where Worf went through an anomaly and ended up skipping through multiple realities which all had differences(some picard died during the Borg, some the Bajorans were a major force, etc etc)

 

[Miss Serendipity]

what if you don't have best buds?

 

[alchemy]

what if you don't have best buds?

Usually, If I want to go see a movie, I just go. My "best buds" have either moved away or are always broke.

 

[Sandrock74]

to this whole thread.

Who let a girl into this thread???

 

[alchemy]

You know, I liked the movie just fine. My only beef with it is that it seemed like more of a ride than a movie. It's like, it's almost afraid to stop and catch it's breath. Ol' J.J. seems quite content to jump from one hectic scene to another regardless of how plausible it actually is or where the story-line has gone. In the old trek movies, there was always time to reflect upon what the story was "about". This new trek, though fun, seems to be more interested in popping out the next bit of "eye candy" before the audience has time to become board with the whole thing and start poking holes in the paper-thin plot.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it was an enjoyable movie, but compared to other entries in the series like Wrath of Khan, it pales in comparison.

 

[Redmage]

TNG didnt have a linear timeline so much

Um, OK. I guess Tasha Yar's death and subsequent disappearance from the show (except for her Romulan double), the several appearances of Q, the whole Borg story arc, the sequential appearances of Lwaxana Troi, Picard's archaeologist girlfriend, and scads of other linear storylines were part of some other show.

But the reason the current film is soaring is for reasons i listed above. Its a sci fi movie, its an action movie, and its a blockbuster movie. Most of the movies draw\center on the sci fi and the Enterprise. In this movie, the Enterprise isn't a character like the other movies were, it was focused more on characters and non ship action. It was made for the average viewer, same for iron man and the other comic movies.

If you like. I'm not sure why it chaps so hard to admit that the acting, writing, and plotting are simply better than any other recent Trek film, but do what you gotta do.

Who let a girl into this thread???

I think the girl who started it set that precedent.

 

[Goodieluver]

Um, OK. I guess Tasha Yar's death and subsequent disappearance from the show (except for her Romulan double), the several appearances of Q, the whole Borg story arc, the sequential appearances of Lwaxana Troi, Picard's archaeologist girlfriend, and scads of other linear storylines were part of some other show.

If you like. I'm not sure why it chaps so hard to admit that the acting, writing, and plotting are simply better than any other recent Trek film, but do what you gotta do.

I think the girl who started it set that precedent.

Yes they did have issues like Yar and other moments but each episode was pretty much stand alone. One day they would be in this sector, next day earth, next day neutral zone, etc etc
But look at Yar. She died and that was nearly it. Yes they brought her sister in later but it was not touched on much. When Dax died, it was still referred to in episodes after, yes they had Enzri take over but the loss of Jadzia was still a moment constantly mentioned.

DS9 started as a decrepid station and it continued to be that as they refit it. It didn't become a powerful station till over a season later. Also when the Dominion war began, it got more linear since it dealt with issues of the Federation losing the war. VOY was the same too because of the limited resources even tho its been researched that based on all the stuff done, Voyager shoulda ran out of many resources half way into the series. DS9 also had major evolutions just in the rebuilding of Bajor and Sisko being the Emmisary\etc etc. In TNG they had that one ep where a good portion of the tops of starfleet were under control by alien parasites and are killed. Never is the issue of that touched on again that they lost a chunk of their admirals.

Im not dissing the acting, with the exception of Bana.

 

[Tomato_Dragon]

Seeing it this weekend on IMAX. Can't wait.

 

[BellaRisa]

Who let a girl into this thread???

A girl started the thread you Melvin

My only beef with it is that it seemed like more of a ride than a movie. It's like, it's almost afraid to stop and catch it's breath. Ol' J.J. seems quite content to jump from one hectic scene to another regardless of how plausible it actually is or where the story-line has gone.

I do agree with this, that's JJ for ya; I love LOST but it's a 60 minute back spasm with commericals

 

[SlaverTickler]

If you like. I'm not sure why it chaps so hard to admit that the acting, writing, and plotting are simply better than any other recent Trek film, but do what you gotta do.

I am sorry Red, are you claiming that these kids are better actors then Ricardo Montalbon or Chris Plumber? I'm sorry but I think not. How many Awards do these youndlings have? Shatner has two Emmies (Best Guest Actor and Best Supporting actor as Denny Crane), and Lenard Nemoy had 3 nomination for Spock back in the 60's (I just found out Nemoy and Shatner were in an episode of Man From U.N.C.L.E. together pre trek). To quote Ric Flair these kids are only walking where Shatner and company have already been.

I honestly believe people will remember Shatner, Nemoy, Nichols, Doohan, Takei, & Koenig long after these kids are long forgotten.

 

[Sandrock74]

A girl started the thread you Melvin

Yeah, you got me there. Sorry.

Would you believe that that post was by the evil sandrock, who was created via a transporter accident?

 

[SlaverTickler]

Yeah, you got me there. Sorry.

Would you believe that that post was by the evil sandrock, who was created via a transporter accident?

I do, I was there when the 2nd one came threw (gotta hate that yellow ore powder). Unforchunetly he judo chopped me before I could stop him. When I woke up he had some funny make-up on his cheek. I think he was covering up scars or something. I think herd him say he was heading for the engineering section of the USS Forum.

"I Wanna Live!"

 

[Sandrock74]

I do, I was there when the 2nd one came threw (gotta hate that yellow ore powder). Unforchunetly he judo chopped me before I could stop him. When I woke up he had some funny make-up on his cheek. I think he was covering up scars or something. I think her said he was heading for the engineering section of the USS Forum.

"I Wanna Live!"

See? A witness! Luckily my evil counterpart and I wear different shirts so you can tell us apart.

 

[SlaverTickler]

See? A witness! Luckily my evil counterpart and I wear different shirts so you can tell us apart.

He was also muttering something about being atacked by a group of female Klingons calling themselves the "Sista Hood".

 

[Redmage]

I am sorry Red, are you claiming that these kids are better actors then Ricardo Montalbon or Chris Plumber?

You did notice the word "Recent," right? Or not? Montalban was last in a Trek film over 20 years ago.

How many Awards do these youndlings have?

I'm glad you asked. For various awards:

Zachary Quinto: 1 win, 2 nominations.
Eric Bana: 7 wins, 8 nominations.
Bruce Greenwood: 3 wins, 6 nominations.
Karl Urban: 4 wins, 4 nominations.
Zoe Saldana: 5 nominations.

Nimoy was unquestionably the finest actor on the original series - and look, here he is in this one too. Shatner? Sorry, but no. He's gotten better as he's matured and learned not to take himself so seriously, but he'll never be a patch on Nimoy. And while his acting in a few later works was decent, the work he did in the original series and most of his Trek films simply wasn't that noteworthy.

And then there's that "recent" thing again.

I honestly believe people will remember Shatner, Nemoy, Nichols, Doohan, Takei, & Koenig long after these kids are long forgotten.

Every man's entitled to his beliefs.

 

[Excess]

Saw it last weekend, was good shit and I didn't even like the original Star Trek. Of course, now it's gonna have a sequel that's going to be considered even better and a threequel that'll probably suck because they ran out of ideas and decide to bastardize things a bit. But eh...

 

[Sandrock74]

I am going to call it now!

If/when the idea well runs dry for the Trek reboot, we will see new Kirk and company vs. the Borg. Wait and see...

 

[Goodieluver]

I am going to call it now!

If/when the idea well runs dry for the Trek reboot, we will see new Kirk and company vs. the Borg. Wait and see...

Borg are on earth as established through first contact

Itd be reasonable to think some are still there, even after the events of enterprise

 

[falcon]

Saw it this afternoon. SO FULL OF WIN Really, I'm hard to please with reboots of a beloved series but this scored on all points, especially the romance I've wanted to see since 1982; get your best buds and GO

agreed, Ms Bella. I'm not even a "Trekkie" but I'd go see it again.

 

[BellaRisa]

What this thread reminded me of 😉

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[badreligion]

I am going to call it now!

If/when the idea well runs dry for the Trek reboot, we will see new Kirk and company vs. the Borg. Wait and see...

Wouldn't work ... The Borg are introduced in the second season I think of Next Generation , and to be accurate in the episode The Neutral Zone in season 1 the writers are hinting of the Borg's introduction .


Plus if the Borg appeared pre Next Generation there would be records in Starfleet