New Star Trek movie kicks ASS!!!

[badreligion]

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Without a doubt the funniest thing I have ever seen

 

[Goodieluver]

Wouldn't work ... The Borg are introduced in the second season I think of Next Generation , and to be accurate in the episode The Neutral Zone in season 1 the writers are hinting of the Borg's introduction .


Plus if the Borg appeared pre Next Generation there would be records in Starfleet

The borg were shown in an episode of Enterprise with their signal they sent being said it would take 200 something years to reach wherever it was going, which coincides with the Borg appearances in TNG

Also due to First Contact, the borg was on earth even before warp drive. Its ok to put the Borg in not on record because they didnt have time to examine or find out about them. Star Fleet was starting off back then.

 

[Sandrock74]

Wouldn't work ... The Borg are introduced in the second season I think of Next Generation , and to be accurate in the episode The Neutral Zone in season 1 the writers are hinting of the Borg's introduction .


Plus if the Borg appeared pre Next Generation there would be records in Starfleet

You're assuming that the Enterprise-D will still exist in this new timeline. That's making a MIGHTY big assumption.

 

[Goodieluver]

You're assuming that the Enterprise-D will still exist in this new timeline. That's making a MIGHTY big assumption.

Also assuming the borg even exist in this timeline

Granted right now the timeline changed only after kirks father but who knows

 

[Sandrock74]

Also assuming the borg even exist in this timeline

Granted right now the timeline changed only after kirks father but who knows

I read a quote on the Star Trek wiki today that made me laugh my ass off. It is as follows:

"As of 2009, Enterprise is the only Star Trek production whose continuity is not altered by the events of the 2009 film reintroducing the crew of James T. Kirk."

Berman and Piller get the last laugh after all, I guess.

 

[Goodieluver]

I read a quote on the Star Trek wiki today that made me laugh my ass off. It is as follows:

"As of 2009, Enterprise is the only Star Trek production whose continuity is not altered by the events of the 2009 film reintroducing the crew of James T. Kirk."

Berman and Piller get the last laugh after all, I guess.

Well yeah thats how it is

But again, its not like the orig universe is destroyed, this is a new universe. Just like the mirror universe and the universe in yesterdays enterprise and the multiple universes worf visited.

So yes it would mean the Botany Bay is floating in space still, and the V'ger probe is heading back to earth, etc etc. But hell, since this universe is changed, we may not have a Picard or others. Kirk got a late start on things so who knows what he will accomplish. Nevertheless, im certain the universe will remain rather similar to the normal universe.

As i posted that, i just forgot Vulcan was destroyed, which also was the site of Spock hearing the V'ger probe during his Kolinar ceremony. So yeah, some major stuff will be changed if they want to somewhat attempt to follow the canon

 

[dusttick11]

Great Film

I saw it a couple of nights ago and enjoyed it very much.

I do agree with the poster (I believe it was alchemy) that it is none stop and doesn't give you a chance to breath. One action seq to another.
It's quite a ride.

I've been a Trek fan for a very long time. My friend and my cousin
saw the film with me and they've been trek fans for as long as I have,
they also were very pleased. The timeline didn't bother any of us
really. We all came to the conclusion that at least the franchise has
been refreshed and we can now look forward to more Trek
in the future. Plus we've seen all the other stuff and consider this
more like a continuation rather than an erasing of all that was.

On a side note my cousin lent me the graphic novel Star Trek: Countdown which was created by the writers of the movie. It gives a lot of background
on Nero and the events leading up to this film. Really Cool, those who enjoyed the film will enjoy this.

It's interesting because it says Nero with the help of a Romulan Military official modified his mining ship with captured Borg tech and weapons systems making
it far nastier than it normally would have been. Fun stuff 🙂

 

[Sandrock74]

I've read the synopsis on Star Trek: Countdown, and it does sound pretty cool. I need to pick up that trade. It's funny how Old Spock was working with Picard and Data just before the events in the movie.

 

[dusttick11]

I've read the synopsis on Star Trek: Countdown, and it does sound pretty cool. I need to pick up that trade. It's funny how Old Spock was working with Picard and Data just before the events in the movie.

Yeah I really think you'll enjoy it. It's cool how some of the Next Gen characters
are tied into everything. It's interesting to see what some of those characters
are doing at this point in time. I think it's suppose to be 8 or 9 years after
the events of Nemesis.

Also cool to learn about the ship Spock pilots and who built it. Little surprise I'll let
you read about. 🙂

 

[Sandrock74]

Yeah I really think you'll enjoy it. It's cool how some of the Next Gen characters
are tied into everything. It's interesting to see what some of those characters
are doing at this point in time. I think it's suppose to be 8 or 9 years after
the events of Nemesis.

Also cool to learn about the ship Spock pilots and who built it. Little surprise I'll let
you read about. 🙂

Yeah, I know who.

 

[Dr. Vollin]

I haven't gotten around to seeing this yet, but do have what might be a stupid question.

I saw Nemesis mentioned in relation to the new movie a couple of times here, so here's the question. Do I have to have seen Nemesis in order to "get" this movie?

 

[Sandrock74]

I haven't gotten around to seeing this yet, but do have what might be a stupid question.

I saw Nemesis mentioned in relation to the new movie a couple of times here, so here's the question. Do I have to have seen Nemesis in order to "get" this movie?

Nope, not at all, whatsoever. The events of Nemesis are no longer valid anyway, so you are safe.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Here is the problem...

Nope, not at all, whatsoever. The events of Nemesis are no longer valid anyway, so you are safe.

The above statement says Volumes.

April/2063
Zefram Cochrane will fly his one man ship "The Phoenix" (a converted missile) getting the attention of a Vulcan ship that is traveling thew that area of space, thus bringing about First Contact with alien life on earth.

In 2151
Jonathan Archer will captain the Enterprise NX-01 (until 2161), and his actions as Captian of that ship will cause the creation of the United Federation of Planets and later become president of it (2184-2192).

The 23rd Century
Captain Christopher Pike will Captain the NCC-1701 for just over 11 years, he will then be succeeded by Captain James T. Kirk when he accepts a promotion to Fleet Captain. Kirk will go on to become one of the most famous Captains in Star Fleet.

Sometime later
While attending a ceremony for the Enterprise B, Captain James Kirk is believed killed while helping Captain John Harriman save refuges from El-Auria (including Guinan).

In 2344
Captain Rachel Garrett will command the Enterprise C, she and her crew will die while trying to aid the Klingon outpost of Nerranda III while under attack from Romulan forces. This act would lead to a truce between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

By around 2363
Captain Jean-Luc Picard and becomes Captain of the USS Enterprise D (and later E). His crew would travel back in time to save earth from the Cyber/Organic species known as the borg. They would find and assist Zefram Cochrane and aid him in making his flight where he will gain the attentions of a Vulcan space craft traveling through that area of space. While aiding Professor Cochrane, Enterprise E engineer, Geordi La Forge will discover flaws in the ship and correct them.

However all of this is F.U.B.A.R. now, because (if the Enterprise still meets up with the Bontany Bay) Spock will dies, and there will be no way to bring him back. Thus he will note be able to travel back in time to advice his younger self. With out Vulcan around who knows what implications (if any) that could have on the crew of the TNG Enterprise. Will they still meet The Borg, and if not why would they travel in time. If they don't go back will Cochrane's ship make it, or will it simply blow up, and thus the Vulcan's will not see him, there is no "First Contact" and there for the Star Trek Universe just imploded. Excuse me while I wipe the blood that is running from my nose.

"Time line?! This is no time to argue about time. We don't have the time."
-Diana Troy Star Trek: First Contact

 

[Goodieluver]

The above statement says Volumes.

April/2063
Zefram Cochrane will fly his one man ship "The Phoenix" (a converted missile) getting the attention of a Vulcan ship that is traveling thew that area of space, thus bringing about First Contact with alien life on earth.

In 2151
Jonathan Archer will captain the Enterprise NX-01 (until 2161), and his actions as Captian of that ship will cause the creation of the United Federation of Planets and later become president of it (2184-2192).

The 23rd Century
Captain Christopher Pike will Captain the NCC-1701 for just over 11 years, he will then be succeeded by Captain James T. Kirk when he accepts a promotion to Fleet Captain. Kirk will go on to become one of the most famous Captains in Star Fleet.

Sometime later
While attending a ceremony for the Enterprise B, Captain James Kirk is believed killed while helping Captain John Harriman save refuges from El-Auria (including Guinan).

In 2344
Captain Rachel Garrett will command the Enterprise C, she and her crew will die while trying to aid the Klingon outpost of Nerranda III while under attack from Romulan forces. This act would lead to a truce between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

By around 2363
Captain Jean-Luc Picard and becomes Captain of the USS Enterprise D (and later E). His crew would travel back in time to save earth from the Cyber/Organic species known as the borg. They would find and assist Zefram Cochrane and aid him in making his flight where he will gain the attentions of a Vulcan space craft traveling through that area of space. While aiding Professor Cochrane, Enterprise E engineer, Geordi La Forge will discover flaws in the ship and correct them.

However all of this is F.U.B.A.R. now, because (if the Enterprise still meets up with the Bontany Bay) Spock will dies, and there will be no way to bring him back. Thus he will note be able to travel back in time to advice his younger self. With out Vulcan around who knows what implications (if any) that could have on the crew of the TNG Enterprise. Will they still meet The Borg, and if not why would they travel in time. If they don't go back will Cochrane's ship make it, or will it simply blow up, and thus the Vulcan's will not see him, there is no "First Contact" and there for the Star Trek Universe just imploded. Excuse me while I wipe the blood that is running from my nose.

"Time line?! This is no time to argue about time. We don't have the time."
-Diana Troy Star Trek: First Contact

1. Botany Bay is still floating in space
2. You jump ahead, if any kahn episode would occur, it would be based on space seed and not wrath of Kahn, sure they may try to merge the episodes but regardless there is no dilemma
3. Vulcans still exist as do the priests. The reason why they went back to mt. selay is because thats where the vulcan priestesses were. Spock in this movie even established that new colonies were forming so somewhere a new vulcan would form.
4. Thats the time travel dilemma but if you have actually watched any of the series', you'd see they established time travel as WELL AS alternate universes\realities.
5. The current movie apparently establishes that the cochrane mission succeeds, regardless of the enterprise\first contact paradox or not. The ONLY changes to the trek universe are after Kirks father. If the enterprise being there in first contact WAS a vital point, one would think it would be on starfleet records and part of a self fullfilling prophecy to happen.

 

[Sandrock74]

1. Botany Bay is still floating in space
Agreed, because the Botany Bay was launched in 1996...which is well before 2233 (the year the Narada destroyed the Kelvin.

3. Vulcans still exist as do the priests. The reason why they went back to mt. selay is because thats where the vulcan priestesses were. Spock in this movie even established that new colonies were forming so somewhere a new vulcan would form.
This is where I agree/disagree. Spock specifically noted that over 6 billion vulcans died when their planet imploded. There were only approx. 10,000 survivors. This BIG time effects the future from this point on. Look no further than Star Trek: Voyager...at Tuvok specifically. If either of his parents were on Vulcan at the time of it's implosion, he will not be born in 2264 (just 31 years after the events in the film). That would result in one major cast member of one of the "future shows" who would be erased from time.
Tuvok? *poof* Gone.

5. The current movie apparently establishes that the cochrane mission succeeds, regardless of the enterprise\first contact paradox or not. The ONLY changes to the trek universe are after Kirks father. If the enterprise being there in first contact WAS a vital point, one would think it would be on starfleet records and part of a self fullfilling prophecy to happen.

Unless Picard decided not to make an offical report on the events. This was routinely done by captains throughout all Trek shows. Captain Sisko didn't report his direct involvement in bringing the Romulans into the Dominion War on the side of the Federation and Klingon forces (as shown in the DS9 episode "In The Pale Moonlight"). Kirk himself never reported on the events from the episode "Space Seed", hence the events of "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan".
Picard could have decided on a similar course of action about the events of "Star Trek: First Contact", and made no report of his crews involvement in the past (in 2063). Remember, official Starfleet policy is that NOTHING should be done by anyone in the event of time travel, so the natural flow of time would remain as it was. By reporting what he and his crew did, Picard could have been bounced out of Starfleet.
I wouldn't have reported it.

OK, I'm going back into my nerd cave. By the way, Kirks dad is rumored to have been chosen to play Thor.

 

[SlaverTickler]

1. Botany Bay is still floating in space
2. You jump ahead, if any kahn episode would occur, it would be based on space seed and not wrath of Kahn, sure they may try to merge the episodes but regardless there is no dilemma
3. Vulcans still exist as do the priests. The reason why they went back to mt. selay is because thats where the vulcan priestesses were. Spock in this movie even established that new colonies were forming so somewhere a new vulcan would form.
4. Thats the time travel dilemma but if you have actually watched any of the series', you'd see they established time travel as WELL AS alternate universes\realities.
5. The current movie apparently establishes that the cochrane mission succeeds, regardless of the enterprise\first contact paradox or not. The ONLY changes to the trek universe are after Kirks father. If the enterprise being there in first contact WAS a vital point, one would think it would be on starfleet records and part of a self fullfilling prophecy to happen.

The biggest problem is Kirk and company discovered "Time Warp" in an episode. Since their mission chainged how it be discovered. Regardless of how we both feel about the Star fleet is/isn't military argument they would have to be one with the destruction of the Vulcan (a key ally in the Federation), so Abrams has basicly screwed up everything in his attempt to try and fix everything to his liking. Like I've said before "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

 

[Dr. Vollin]

Nope, not at all, whatsoever. The events of Nemesis are no longer valid anyway, so you are safe.

Thanks, Sandrock!

 

[Sandrock74]

Thanks, Sandrock!

No problemo! I can occassionally give non-nerd answers from time to time.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I know, I am going to call it J.J. Abrams Faux Trek, I can live with that.

 

[Goodieluver]

OK, I'm going back into my nerd cave. By the way, Kirks dad is rumored to have been chosen to play Thor.

But Cochrane and others knew of it and they were the foundation on everything. Hell you could argue the tech seen in FC is what gave Cochrane other ideas. In ST:IV, they gave the one engineer the formula for transparent aluminum, scotty replied "Why? How do we know he didn't invent it?"

Also i thought the guy who plays Eric Northman in True Blood was the top guy now for Thor?

 

[Goodieluver]

The biggest problem is Kirk and company discovered "Time Warp" in an episode. Since their mission chainged how it be discovered. Regardless of how we both feel about the Star fleet is/isn't military argument they would have to be one with the destruction of the Vulcan (a key ally in the Federation), so Abrams has basicly screwed up everything in his attempt to try and fix everything to his liking. Like I've said before "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

and in the mirror universe the Federation Empire is toppled by a coalition of races and the Human race is enslaved. Where are the complaints about this? In the mirror universe the Klingons don't have cloaking technology and Vulcans were second class citizens and Kahn was at one time emperor of the Earth.

 

[SlaverTickler]

and in the mirror universe the Federation Empire is toppled by a coalition of races and the Human race is enslaved. Where are the complaints about this? In the mirror universe the Klingons don't have cloaking technology and Vulcans were second class citizens and Kahn was at one time emperor of the Earth.

Well I am glad people liked it, but for me it will never be Star Trek. Not because it is a new group of people as Kirk Spock and Dr McCoy, I've actually hoped they would recast it with new people, but because they chainged everything I grew up with in this universe. I want nothing to do with Abrams Faux Trek, not even if it was a Christmas gift.

 

[Goodieluver]

Well I am glad people liked it, but for me it will never be Star Trek. Not because it is a new group of people as Kirk Spock and Dr McCoy, I've actually hoped they would recast it with new people, but because they chainged everything I grew up with in this universe. I want nothing to do with Abrams Faux Trek, not even if it was a Christmas gift.

Point being treat it as another universe because that is what it is

Just like in a different universe Spock was bad and had a goatee and it was the I.S.S Enterprise.

 

[SlaverTickler]

and in the mirror universe the Federation Empire is toppled by a coalition of races and the Human race is enslaved. Where are the complaints about this? In the mirror universe the Klingons don't have cloaking technology and Vulcans were second class citizens and Kahn was at one time emperor of the Earth.

In the main Star Trek Universe Kahn was ruller of 3/4th of the world, and those other examples were all from the alternet universe, Abram is tying to push this a the "New" mainstream universe. It's simply no for me, and I won't suport it.

 

[Goodieluver]

In the main Star Trek Universe Kahn was ruller of 3/4th of the world, and those other examples were all from the alternet universe, Abram is tying to push this a the "New" mainstream universe. It's simply no for me, and I won't suport it.

Yes but in the normal trek universe, he was eventually overthrown and then sent into exile.

In the mirror universe he ruled until he died\was assassinated and then had heirs. Were you also outraged at Rick Berman when he had the alternate Cochrane kill the vulcan landing party after first contact?