Romney to Challenge Gay Marriage Ruling

[Limeoutsider]

Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney says he'll push for a constitutional amendment to block gay couples from getting married in response to a ruling by the state's highest court that could otherwise let gay couples wed. The court has ordered state lawmakers to find a remedy. "I agree with 3,000 years of recorded history," the Republican governor said. "Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman ... and our constitution and laws should reflect that."



Here we go, he's gonna be forcing his religious beliefs on us next

 

[sushi854]

If you aren't gay, why do you really care whether gay people are entitled to legally marry each other? No one is saying that your church or religion has to recognize gay marriage, or even that you have to like it. All the ruling is saying is that the state, which in my opinion is already not supposed to be dictating morality, cannot discriminate against couples wanting to marry on the basis of sex. A constitutional amendent to address something as trivial as this is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. The fact is that there are going to be gay people whether they are allowed to marry each other or not. The argument will be made that gay marriage disgraces the institution of marriage and will degrade family values. Is this to suggest that straight marriage will be infiltrated by gay marriage and more straights will forego the traditional man/woman relationship in order to engage in same-sex marriage? Will men and women not continue to marry and start families as before? Will "big church weddings" become a thing of the past in favor of a new society in which men will be encouraged to marry men and women will be encouraged to marry women? Gays will basically live the same way they have been, with the exception that they can now have the same last name. If you don't think that gay marriage will have any great impact on society whatsoever other than to stop people who can't help who they are from being discriminated against by the state then what is the big deal?

 

[Knox The Hatter]

The Right talks a good game. I don't think it's gonna get past the anger stage...if Romney is serious about pushing this in Massachusetts he could kiss his political ass goodbye. Pure and simple.
These people never get tired of hawking the same old, tired, stupid shit. "It violates the sanctity of Marriage." There are only two people on this planet who can violate the sanctity of a marriage: and that's the two people who are married to each other. The two of you living your life together cannot be violated by, say, the 22 year old computer programmer marching in the Gay Pride parade dressed as a peacock, alongside his partner-in-life. No right winger (many of them are not erudite enough for me to call them "Conservatives", so I prefer the former) has managed to convince me yet that John Q. Gayguy and his friend violate the sanctity of my marriage. Utter moronity.
Trust me, the ones crying the loudest about the Sanctity Of Marriage have violated the sanctity of their own marriages multiple times, but will make damned sure you never find out about it.
Meanwhile, we have Mitt Romney, son of a loudmouthed, egotistical auto executive who left to go into politics, who's been described as far back as the 1994 Massachusetts senatorial election vs. Kennedy as "Chalk Outline Man", inflicting his bilge on the rest of us. I think the only reason a hard right wing Republican could get elected Governor in Massachusetts would be to provide unique comic relief.

 

[Limeoutsider]

I believe that a person can choose what they want to do with their life, until it becomes harmful to others

 

[Krokus]

What a load of crap. "Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman ... and our constitution and laws should reflect that." ...Times are changing, asshole. Either get with it and accept it, or let it pass you by. Your right-wing racist mentality won't fly much longer...biggot prick.

 

[Mimi]

This is one of the political issues I feel the strongest about: Equal Rights.

For a country that boasts freedom and equal rights to all citizens that reside within it, the government sure does it's DAMNDEST to strip everyone who does not fit the social 'white picket fence middle class family' ideal of their rights to a normal happy lifestyle within the nations boundries.

I fail to see or understand ANY arguement against gays right to a legally recognized and binding marriage. Living within this country should allow them equal freedoms of choice, and that should include the right to marry the partner of their choice. Whether that be a member of the opposite sex, or a member of the same sex, it should not matter. Marriage is a LEGAL contract, and religious or political ethics should NOT figure into whether the law allows it. Denying them of that right is total and complete B.S. in my opinion, and I for one will not truly be able to consider the U.S. to be the "land of the free" until all U.S. citizens are given the same equal rights and freedoms.

Mimi

 

[sushi854]

Damn, this is the first thread I've seen in general discussion where five people in a row actually AGREE on something. 😀

 

[Rapid Assassin]

I'll make it a 6th

I don't understand how so many people could be so hateful. Does it truly matter to these people's lives if a person chose to live with another person of the same gender? No. In fact, it really doesn't matter what goes on in the world outside of the bigots' homes, because it doesn't harm straight people if gay people choose to marry. There are some religions that wouldn't recognize the marriage, no matter what. I don't see why we can't make the marriage legally binding in the state, and not in the bigoted right wing religions. Marriage has become more of a legal issue than anything, because married couples get lots of extra benefits (like the ability to put your partner on your insurance policy, tax breaks, insurance breaks, etc.) If a church decides not to recognize a gay marriage as such, so be it. But the state definitely should. Ever hear of separation of church and state? This is one of those types of issues...

 

[TKpervert]

I'll knock it back to 5

more power to Romney.

 

[Jamandi]

Floppy Disk is to Hard Drive
as
Romney's head is to his Ass.

They both slide in well, and they both can only hold a small amount of information.

-Jamandi-

 

[Oddjob0226]

Cheee - the history of marriage goes back more than 3,000 years! Whenever I hear about the sanctity of marriage, I always think about some of ye olde marriage customs, like how it was more often about property rights and having children so there was a direct lineage of tribe/race/property ownership. The father gave away the bride becuase she belonged to him and was his to give, a husband had to be worthy and please the bride of the father, asking for her hand; the best man was a friend of the groom and essentilly helped in the kidnapping of the bride, "love honor and OBEY", hanging sheets out of the window after the weding night to prove the bride was a virgin, etc. All that lovey-dovey stuff.

Right now, 52% of marriages end in divorce in this country. That doesn't even take into account people who marry for money, for convenience, for green cards, pregnancy guilt, and marriages where it would probably be for the best for all involved if the union DID end, but the two enemy combatants stay hitched anyway. Add in all that and it's more like 62% of marriages aren't working like they should. You're SUPPOSED TO get married. It's expected, it's tradition. It's not like a pipe dream of going to Hollywood or playing in the NFL where the chances are high that it isn't going to happen - getting married and having babies is normal. Well, some of these sanctity of marriage folks need to realize that normalicy isn't currently working for most people......

 

[cs217903]

Oh goodness, this is a hot issue! This is my stance: I understand the conservative side of the argument. Marriage has been stated through time to be the joining of a man and a woman. It is now the year 2003, and I am pretty sure that the Puritanic beliefs that this country was founded on have pretty much already flown out the window. Has anyone seen the divorce rate lately? For those of youwho live under a rock: IT'S VERY HIGH!!!!! I don't understand why the United States would be for forbidding people who want to get married from getting married, and yet I think there are as many drive through wedding chapels as there are drive through divorce hearings. Give gays the same rights as straights. There are too many double standards in this country, and it is about time that some people, (the Republicans), start accepting all people no matter what their beliefs or lifestyles.

 

[TKpervert]

If we're to legislate testosterone and estrogen to the boneyard of anachronistic chemicals, then it's ok for Michael Jackson to sleep with twelve-year-old boys. Just a few small steps downhill.
If we're to cavort on the slippery slope, let's do it right.

MAKE those laws
PANDER to those voting blocs

a slight stretch here, wish it was bigger

 

[mabus]

What's happening is, all these right wingers are losing there control over poeple, and they want it back. The only problem is, they were never supposed to have that control in the first place! Human beings yearn to be free, and that's why this country has lasted so long. The religious right want to define who marries who, what you can do in your bedroom, what prayers you should/will pray, and what thoughts you can entertain in your head.
Now that it's 2003, most people have developed a mind of their own, and decided, that "yes, I can decide what to do with my own body since...it's MINE!" they are losing the control they once had. I mean, come on, when people had sex before, and enjoyed it, they would shame them. When people would get married out of wedlock, or be revealed as gay, or have a fetish, they would shame and persecute them to no end. The power! Now, in 2003, no one cares. People are more concerned about important things, like health insurance, jobs, safety, not being the victim of violent crime, not being in a building that's the target of a suicide al-Qaeda airplane pilot, etc. But you hear these religious right people talk, you'd think that the number one threat to democracy and freedom is homosexuality. These people need to get laid!

 

[Dragon321]

damn power-mongers...ever since the reformation these ecclesiastics have wanted to garner the might of mother church (or their variant thereof) and see themselves as so called bastions of righteousness. hell, they'd probably call for Jesus' arrest if he were walking around here. call him a hippy tree-hugger and throw him in jail for suspected possession. and would then promptly blame everyone but themselves (ESPECIALLY the arabs, jews, and vars. other racial minority groups) when god gets pissed and causes armageddon. and jesus' argument "forgive them, father, they know not what they do" wouldn't work, because these bastards know exactly what they do, and love it!

on a more moderate note, i read somewhere that the church (catholic) sanctioned same-sex marriages throughout the majority of the middle ages)

 

[natural tickler]

The Right talks a good game. I don't think it's gonna get past the anger stage...if Romney is serious about pushing this in Massachusetts he could kiss his political ass goodbye. Pure and simple.
These people never get tired of hawking the same old, tired, stupid shit. "It violates the sanctity of Marriage." There are only two people on this planet who can violate the sanctity of a marriage: and that's the two people who are married to each other. The two of you living your life together cannot be violated by, say, the 22 year old computer programmer marching in the Gay Pride parade dressed as a peacock, alongside his partner-in-life. No right winger (many of them are not erudite enough for me to call them "Conservatives", so I prefer the former) has managed to convince me yet that John Q. Gayguy and his friend violate the sanctity of my marriage. Utter moronity.
Trust me, the ones crying the loudest about the Sanctity Of Marriage have violated the sanctity of their own marriages multiple times, but will make damned sure you never find out about it.
Meanwhile, we have Mitt Romney, son of a loudmouthed, egotistical auto executive who left to go into politics, who's been described as far back as the 1994 Massachusetts senatorial election vs. Kennedy as "Chalk Outline Man", inflicting his bilge on the rest of us. I think the only reason a hard right wing Republican could get elected Governor in Massachusetts would be to provide unique comic relief.

no one is saying Knox your marriage is violated, just the concept of it, man and woman, that's all. Your marriage is fine. Just the fact of two of the same people getting married is wrong, and it is. We all have grown up as youngsters to the fact that man and woman marriages is the only accepted means. To allow same sex marriages violates all we hold sacred. The Bible speaks nothing of same sex marriages. It's just plain damn wrong, no matter how much you equal rights enthusiasts try to spin it

 

[sushi854]

TKpervert

So, to allow consenting adults of the same sex who will most likely never involve themselves in a sanctified man/women marriage anyway to do something that they basically are doing anyways will likely lead to the legalization of nonconsensual sexual relations with minors?

 

[Haltickling]

The main difference is: Pedophiles do enormous damage to children, while the fact of a gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. Except a few politicians who want to gobble up more votes from uninformed and gullible people... 🙄

 

[Shem the Penman]

Oh my goodness! My marriage is nothing but a lie! My love for my wife is fading even as I type! My pact I made with her is no longer even worth the paper it's printed on! The very concept of spending the rest of my life with her no longer means anything! And to think, all of this happened because two gay people might someday enjoy the same legal rights as my wife and I do!

... or not.

Sarcasm aside, Jon Stewart said it all for me. Paraphrasing slightly: unless they want to make gay marriages mandatory for everyone, who gives a shit?

 

[Oddjob0226]

Back when Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin wrote The Constitution, The Bill of Rights and The Bible in 1776 They didn't really put in anything about marriages, gays, straights, annulments, commom law marriage, divorces... anything relatedto them, really.

 

[Knox The Hatter]

"To allow same sex marriages violates all we hold sacred. The Bible speaks nothing of same sex marriages. It's just plain damn wrong, no matter how much you equal rights enthusiasts try to spin it"

Explain how.

 

[Krokus]

The Bible speaks nothing of same sex marriages. It's just plain damn wrong, no matter how much you equal rights enthusiasts try to spin it

And since when does everyone give a shit what the bible says? Oh wait, you mean another christian is trying to force thier beliefs upon others? 🙄 ...Please, it's really starting to get old.

 

[Oddjob0226]

I think diabetics should not marry other diabetics becuase they could have diabetic babies then MY tax money goes to their Medicade and Medicare to take care of their health problems; God gave them a sign to be careful, so who are they to go out and marry someone like themselves, shorten a child's life by "blessing" them with a host of health problems, and making my pay for it in my old age? Well I never!

 

[cs217903]

Well Said

And since when does everyone give a shit what the bible says? Oh wait, you mean another christian is trying to force thier beliefs upon others? 🙄 ...Please, it's really starting to get old.

Agreed. Religions are the main opressers of this movement. It's not OK for a gay couple who love each other very much to become married, but it IS OK for church officials to molest little boys. Oh, well that makes PERFECT sense.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Cousin marriage and underage marriages aren't even that foriegn of an idea around these parts. Both were rather common in the South until th 1930s, and in some states are technically still legal. So even the "cultural institution" being touted has a few knots in it that would make some people go "um..er..." as they pull their shirt collors out sideways to vent off the cartoon steam and try to change the subject to something less contoversial like race or religion.