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Roswell New Mexico: was it a Goverment cover up or is there Alien Life in Roswell?

It seems you quoted several parts of my posts Jim, and then requoted them again that it confused me. I'll try and answer it later. Alot of ths stuff I heard a long time ago, by people who had read material on the matter. Some of it I had read myself, but the references have left me. So I'm sorry to say I can't give you actual links or books titles, just what I remember.

I sort of dropped out of this UFO interest in general, but then came back to wanting to know specific things.
 
Celtic_Emperor said:
Furthermore, it didn't crash, we shot them down. They came to talk and we didn't trust them, even though we've spoken with them before and this particular species has helped humankind since the beginning of our evolution.

The greys are a benevolent kind seeking out knowledge. But theres evil in everything, so abusive and intrusive abductions are often the work of the evil ones in an effort to learn our biological weaknesses and evolutionary patterns. The good ones also abduct, but are far more gentle, return people to their homes, their beds even, do precise, precision work, and almost always ask if it is ok to harvest ova, or it is explained why they did it. Afterwards, the abductees are often given a tour of the ship, and the mission of the greys is often told.


Sounds like one of those "I saw it on the web, it must be true!!!!1"
theories.
 
Celtic_Emperor said:
It seems you quoted several parts of my posts Jim, and then requoted them again that it confused me. I'll try and answer it later. Alot of ths stuff I heard a long time ago, by people who had read material on the matter. Some of it I had read myself, but the references have left me. So I'm sorry to say I can't give you actual links or books titles, just what I remember.

I sort of dropped out of this UFO interest in general, but then came back to wanting to know specific things.

To be honest, I confused myself! lol Sorry 'bout that C_E.
 
nerobob said:
Sounds like one of those "I saw it on the web, it must be true!!!!1"
theories.

Nope, sorry. The web is too unreliable. Its 50/50, thats not good enough for me. Plus, I'm not that trusting or niave, not that you are saying I am.
 
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BigJim said:
To be honest, I confused myself! lol Sorry 'bout that C_E.

Its o-tay.

Lets see if I can elaborate in the right order...

1.) "Mission? What allegedly is it? Would be news to me."

A:

Most sources on the matter agree that the overall "mission" of the greys (greys being the most commonly visiting and most commonly spoken to) are abducting humans, particularly women, to harvest their ova with the intent to create an alien-human hybrid which will later serve the purpose of a "last line of defense" so to speak in the event of an interstellar war with other alien races. In this case, the greys are on our side and are mutually helping us because its a matter of overall stability and survival for them.

Basically, creating a new being which is immune to different types of elements and ailments, one that has a far quicker regenerative bodily system and one with both the physical prowess of a human being, and the intelligence of the greys is key and ideal for what has been told to us a matter of life and death in the future of the human race and an enevitable destruction of the greys as a power in the universe if this is not done.

We are also looking to maintain the human legecy as well, even if that means becoming a part of something else. The greys have a like-minded attitude on this.


2. "The comparison we could make here would be a U.S. Cavalry trooper on horseback shooting down an F-14 Tomcat with a single shot, smooth-bore carbine."

A:
I know that in suggesting a highly advanced craft could be taken down by our military seems unlikely. But it happened for a couple reasons.

A. They were not in attack or defense mode. The ship was presumably idle and was easy pickings, as we led them to believe we wanted to talk, and so most of their power systems were eithe shut down or on some form of reduced power.

B. The ship was a scout ship, one of the lightest and least armored (or armed for that matter) in their "fleet" of ships.

Its important to realize they too have different ships for different roles. Obviously one of their command craft or battleships could not be shot down with a mere gun or missle.


3. "Whilst a UFO is just something in the sky you can't pin down, is a little grey snot standing in front of you definately a being from outer-space? Whilst they're certainly very strange looking, the conclusion that they're from a distant planet is in many cases a perception from the point of our culture. It's not a definate diagnosis."


A:

To be even more specific, the greys have told us they have outposts in the Belt of Orion. Thats very close to us, closer than we think. They actually hail from a star cluster called Zeta Reticuli. And this location is in the Alpha Centauri sector, which is just outside the Sol sector (our galaxy).


4. "Personally I know next to nothing about the alleged Area 51. I know what it's proposed to be, but have seen very little in the way of supporting evidence. Certainly not anything that couldn't be seperated from wild supposition. My main reason for this is lack of interest. I do have some thoughts though...

1/ If there is an establishment where secret experiments are going on with recovered craft, it's not likely to be at a place where every UFO-head in the world has been concentrating their attention for the past 15 years. If anything was ever occuring in Nevada it's likely to be long gone.

2/ I think it's a definate possible that if anything has been going on, the Nevada place is likely to have been a dummy run to divert attention from the real place. Nothing that gets so much publicity is likely to be legit."


A:

I've got mixed feelings about Area 51. I think its being given far more credit than it should and far too much attention. The military should be pleased with this, as it detracts attention from other installations which, for all we know, are more strategically important than that of Groom Lake (Area 51).

Area 51 is famous because it is the location where the wreckage from the Roswell affair was transported, as well as the corpes and the greys that remained alive.

Area 51, or "Dreamland" as it is also called, is just one of several black op military installations claimed to be using alien technology.

Area 51 is a good detractor, but what they actually do there may be of less importance to what is done elsewhere.

Area 51 is like a junkyard, in a way. They're the ones that get the stuff first, most of the time, and once they've found a use for something, its transfered to another branch for actual application and usage.


5. "Have you spoken to anyone who's personally experienced anything or had some "hands-on" exp. yourself? Why in particular do you consider greys who don't permenantly keep their victims to be benevolent and more gentle? At shampoo and cosmetics research labs the beagles and monkeys are returned to their cages after they've had Loreal and Timotei shoved up their arse and a Marlborough toking away in their mush. I'd hate to imagine what the less benevolent ones are capable of."


A:

There are members of my family that have had close encounters of the fourth kind. These people are not insane, have nothing to gain from lying, and I've known them to be nothing but truthful people.

We also have a friend of the family whose had similar experiences.

I myself think I've experiences as well, but on a far less dramatic, or personal level.

The greys that take care of their abductees do so to remain in good relations with them, and in the name of future study, which some abductees have openly allowed.

The greys are particularly interested in checking in on us and our bloodlines, as they have been throughout history. They have their ways of checking in on us, and they like to update their information accordingly.

I make a stark contrast in the good things aliens do or in the way they handle their subjects because there are the evils of their kind who treat us like lab rats and make the procedures as horrific and painful as possible.

For example, the good ones will often use their powers to give you a sense of well-being and safety, and they'll use "screen memory" to block out the memory. Whereas the evil ones use no screen memory, don't use relaxers, or anything that will numb you to the pain, and they intentionally make the whole experience as unwholesome and frightening as possible.

Clearly there is a power split in this race, and both sides are in a race to develop something before the other side does in an attempt to change the balance of power. Its basically civil war with the greys, and we're caught in the middle of it.
 
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In particular...

Celtic_Emperor said:
Most sources on the matter agree that the overall "mission" of the greys (greys being the most commonly visiting and most commonly spoken to) are abducting humans, particularly women, to harvest their ova with the intent to create an alien-human hybrid which will later serve the purpose of a "last line of defense" so to speak in the event of an interstellar war with other alien races. In this case, the greys are on our side and are mutually helping us because its a matter of overall stability and survival for them.

Which sources would we be talking about here? And where do they get their information from? I'm not being argumentative here, just thorough. Are we talking impartial and subjective investigator with 20 years experience of dealing with participants, or are we talking about author jumping on the bandwagon to make a few quid?


Celtic_Emperor said:
I know that in suggesting a highly advanced craft could be taken down by our military seems unlikely. But it happened for a couple reasons.

A. They were not in attack or defense mode. The ship was presumably idle and was easy pickings, as we led them to believe we wanted to talk, and so most of their power systems were eithe shut down or on some form of reduced power.

B. The ship was a scout ship, one of the lightest and least armored (or armed for that matter) in their "fleet" of ships.

Its important to realize they too have different ships for different roles. Obviously one of their command craft or battleships could not be shot down with a mere gun or missle.

Kind of like the difference between a Coastguard cutter and an aircraft carrier then? I have to say said beings would have to be exceptionally stupid to have done such a thing considering the mentality of our leaders. High IQ perhaps, but little or no sense.

What exactly was used to bring it down in your opinion?


Celtic_Emperor said:
To be even more specific, the greys have told us they have outposts in the Belt of Orion. Thats very close to us, closer than we think. They actually hail from a star cluster called Zeta Reticuli. And this location is in the Alpha Centauri sector, which is just outside the Sol sector (our galaxy).

This is somewhat confusing to me, because apparent closeness in the terrestrial sky doesn't automatically imply that two stars are actually close together. In The Plough the stars Mizar and Alcor are a fifth of a degree away from each other (and barely appear discernably seperate to anyone without fighter-pilot's eyesight), but in reality are seperated by a quarter of a light year and don't orbit each other, or a central Lagrange Point. In the case of Orion's Belt, Alnitak (left hand and lowest star) is 817 light years away from us, Alnilam (the one in the middle) is 1,340 light years away and Mintaka (right hand and highest - providing you're in the northern hemisphere) is 916 light years distant. Hundreds of light years distance exists between them and I wouldn't say any one of them was particularly close to us. Not as close as Centauri and Reticulum anyway.

Zeta Reticuli is not a cluster, but a binary star system (I believe they're both Type-G yellow stars like our sun, or possibly Type-K oranges) and is around 36-38 light years distant. Alpha Centauri by contrast is only about 4.5 light years away, if you choose the Lagrange Point between A and B as your "centre-of-the-system" mark. Proxima of course orbits about 900 AU out, going round both of them and sometimes is as close to us as 4.25 LY. Maybe I've mis-read what you said, but how would these two systems share the same sector? And don't they share the same galaxy as the Sol system?


Celtic_Emperor said:
A:

There are members of my family that have had close encounters of the fourth kind. These people are not insane, have nothing to gain from lying, and I've known them to be nothing but truthful people.

We also have a friend of the family whose had similar experiences.

I myself think I've experiences as well, but on a far less dramatic, or personal level.

That must have been quite difficult to live with. My commiserations.

Celtic_Emperor said:
The greys that take care of their abductees do so to remain in good relations with them, and in the name of future study, which some abductees have openly allowed.

Those experiencers must be incredibly forgiving, incredibly generous or just plain curious. Maybe a mixture of all three. I find it incredible to believe that anyone has good relationships with the stunted gits. And perhaps the generous donation of their bodies is more due to the feeling of futility at resisting? Has a tall grey ever rufully scratched his lumpy, crenalated swede and gone away because the abductee needed his sleep for school the next day? Well, possibly they have. I've just never heard of it.


Celtic_Emperor said:
The greys are particularly interested in checking in on us and our bloodlines, as they have been throughout history. They have their ways of checking in on us, and they like to update their information accordingly.

Bloodlines? Explain more if you could.


Celtic_Emperor said:
I make a stark contrast in the good things aliens do or in the way they handle their subjects because there are the evils of their kind who treat us like lab rats and make the procedures as horrific and painful as possible.

For example, the good ones will often use their powers to give you a sense of well-being and safety, and they'll use "screen memory" to block out the memory. Whereas the evil ones use no screen memory, don't use relaxers, or anything that will numb you to the pain, and they intentionally make the whole experience as unwholesome and frightening as possible.

Clearly there is a power split in this race, and both sides are in a race to develop something before the other side does in an attempt to change the balance of power. Its basically civil war with the greys, and we're caught in the middle of it.

How about if experiences are split between the two extremes? How about if some are horrific and some almost enjoyable; some screened, some only vaguely veiled and relatively easily recoverable? If you were listening to a third party describing an incident, how would you tell the difference? Consider that said party might have been whisked off by the good guys, but been completely freaked the whole time and assosciate nothing by terror, misery and extreme daytime fatigue with it.


N.B. For those of you who were a bit lost by some of the terms I used above, here is a "translation"...
A.U. - Astromical Unit. A distance of approximately ninty three million miles - the exact distance between the earth and Sol. The earth is 1 AU from the sun.

Light Year - A somewhat ambiguous unit of distance used in astronomy. A particle of light moves at 186,282.39704 miles a second in a vacuum. A Light year (LY) is the distance it travels in one year. The earth is 8.2 light minutes from Sol, Pluto is around 6 light hours from it. The nearest star (Proxima Centauri) is roughly four and a quarter light years away and the Milky Way galaxy is something like a hundred thousand light years across. The nearest galaxy (Andromeda) is around two million light years from the Milky Way. To put it into everyday terms, if you lived in Florida and your bathroom door represented Sol with the front door representing earth; you'd have to pick something in California to represent the nearest star to us.

Lagrange Point - Where you have a binary system, the two stars usually orbit a common point in space if they are of roughly equal mass. This point is called the Lagrange Point. Where one star is bigger than the other, you'll get the smaller orbiting the bigger, as with Eta Casseopeia, where a Type-M red dwarf orbits the primary Type-G yellow sun.
 
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I'm not going to reply to a bunch of sarcasm. I almost feel baited. Some of what you're quoting me as having said has apparently been taken out of context, and I'm not going to bother with that either.

The part about the family I take especial offense to, even though I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. My family is not crazy or difficult to live with, nor is this a huge thing in it. They're just experiences, not ways of life. You asked, I answered. EDIT: And I never did say immediate family.

I'm not sure how to respond now. Maybe I just shouldn't.
 
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Celtic_Emperor said:
I'm not going to reply to a bunch of sarcasm. I almost feel baited. Some of what you're quoting me as having said has apparently been taken out of context, and I'm not going to bother with that either.

The part about the family I take especial offense to, even though I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. My family is not crazy or difficult to live with, nor is this a huge thing in it. They're just experiences, not ways of life. You asked, I answered. EDIT: And I never did say immediate family.

I'm not sure how to respond now. Maybe I just shouldn't.

Well I've offended quite a few people with my sarcasm, but that's the first time I've managed it by being totally serious.😕 C_E I meant every word of that, I wasn't being sarcastic or baiting you in any way. The items you see as being sarcastic are what I saw as legitimate comments. The parts of your response which tended towards the scientific contained several errors. These were either just slight lapses (such as your describing Alpha Centauri being in another galaxy to us, when I'm pretty sure you meant "system" instead) to bigger queries (such as you appearing to think that Orion's Belt was a contiguous region, when it's actually a very spread out area).

As to your family, all I said was "That must have been quite difficult to live with. My commiserations." I really don't see how that can be taken any way other than that which it was written. I meant it sincerely.
 
I've read your PM, and I understand what you mean. I was just put off at first by what you said and nearly felt mocked. I don't hold anything against you, don't worry about it. 🙂

Again though, and I'm not saying this because I don't have the answers, I simply CANNOT remember WHERE I read the majority of this stuff. Most of it was done when I was still in highschool probably before that too, and I graduated in 2001, and here we are in 2005. Thats a significant lapse of time, especially considering that after that time period of school I wasn't much into the stuff.

If I remembered I would have told you. I suppose you'll just have to take my word for it, otherwise. But you don't have to of course. I came into this thread to talk, not to necessarily debate the truths, half-truths and completely false aspects of the subject.

I'm not sure what more I can add at this point without being asked anything further, so I'll just chime in again later if anyone has a comment that I might be able to work off of, or a question. 🙂
 
BigJim, I never heard of Graham Hancock Double-E, but I'll be looking it up, thanks. Oh, and also, thank you a million for mentioning the Annunaki. I'm sorry I can't answer your question, I don't know what the races were called, but I did hear that a very, very old culture believed that they were decendants of a group of "people" know as the Annunaki who forced them to mine gold before disappearing into the sky. I can't remember much of the specifics, even the name of the culture, but I'm pretty sure they believed the Annunaki were aliens. I wanted to look further into it, but I couldn't remember what the aliens were called.. Annunaki, I'll be sure to write that down.
 
Swimmingbird said:
BigJim, I never heard of Graham Hancock Double-E, but I'll be looking it up, thanks. Oh, and also, thank you a million for mentioning the Annunaki. I'm sorry I can't answer your question, I don't know what the races were called, but I did hear that a very, very old culture believed that they were decendants of a group of "people" know as the Annunaki who forced them to mine gold before disappearing into the sky. I can't remember much of the specifics, even the name of the culture, but I'm pretty sure they believed the Annunaki were aliens. I wanted to look further into it, but I couldn't remember what the aliens were called.. Annunaki, I'll be sure to write that down.

The Sumerian culture described their "god beings" as the Annunaki and their physical description resembles one group of beings I've heard of abductees seeing. Typical Sumerian gods were Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz.

N.B. "Double-E" was my way of addressing ElectricEye. I was asking him if he'd read the guy's books. The author's name is just "Graham Hancock".🙂
 
Celtic_Emperor said:
I've read your PM, and I understand what you mean. I was just put off at first by what you said and nearly felt mocked. I don't hold anything against you, don't worry about it. 🙂

Again though, and I'm not saying this because I don't have the answers, I simply CANNOT remember WHERE I read the majority of this stuff. Most of it was done when I was still in highschool probably before that too, and I graduated in 2001, and here we are in 2005. Thats a significant lapse of time, especially considering that after that time period of school I wasn't much into the stuff.

If I remembered I would have told you. I suppose you'll just have to take my word for it, otherwise. But you don't have to of course. I came into this thread to talk, not to necessarily debate the truths, half-truths and completely false aspects of the subject.

I'm not sure what more I can add at this point without being asked anything further, so I'll just chime in again later if anyone has a comment that I might be able to work off of, or a question. 🙂

Not a problem about the sources C_E, I was just curious. 🙂

Glad the misunderstanding was cleared up.
 
Just giving this one a quick :bump: to see if we can talk about it some more.
 
Wow you :bump: this thread Jim?

I thought this post was long gone for good. It's still kicking i see.

Speaking of Roswell........ Do you know of any good books about Roswell that they sell in book stores?

(I tried looking for some in Barnes and Noble and also Borders) But they didn't have any in stock when i went to check. And that was a few months ago though.
 
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