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Saints choke

maniactickler said:
The time for talk is over. now its time to follow the Pats road, hopefully, to the bowl. come join me my friend!
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The only bowl the Patriots will be at is the toilet bowl. When are you going to learn that the Pats are not built to win this season? :shrug:
 
Im admitting its a serious uphill battle, especially with welker out now. but im such a huge fan, im not giving up on them!
 
So now I must ask, after the Pats getting stomped last week, and the Saints decisively destroying the Cards today, how do you feel now?
 
About the same...yes they did win over the cards which im surprised at..however Vikings are up agasint Dallas, and after they win it will be Vikings vs Saints for NFC championship. Laugh at me, call me a loser or worse, It doesnt matter really because I love being the under dog, I know the Vikings will prove everybody wrong. So its all good in my book.
 
I was surprised... It wasn't really Warner that screwed up. The Cards' defense just failed to do anything. I realize Matt Leinart played a lot of the game, but it wasn't the offense that really caused this.

With or without Warner, the Cards will need to improve their defense next season.
 
MrMacphisto said:
I was surprised... It wasn't really Warner that screwed up. The Cards' defense just failed to do anything. I realize Matt Leinart played a lot of the game, but it wasn't the offense that really caused this.

With or without Warner, the Cards will need to improve their defense next season.
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"Look... (inaudible mumbling)... the Cardinals are who we thought they were. They are who we thought they were. And that's why we took the damned field! Now if you want to crown them, then crown their asses! But they are who we thought they were!"

😀
 
MrMacphisto said:
I was surprised... It wasn't really Warner that screwed up. The Cards' defense just failed to do anything. I realize Matt Leinart played a lot of the game, but it wasn't the offense that really caused this.

With or without Warner, the Cards will need to improve their defense next season.
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Um... Matt Leinard played alot of the game? You do realize that Warner went back out after halftime right? So Warner played more than half the game bc he played until he got hurt and he came back out at Halftime and the Cardnals still couldn't keep up with the Saints.. yeah you can say that it was the defense that sucked on the Cardnals, but Warner couldn't score at all.. they scored NOTHING in the second half. Cardnals kept fumblimb... Warner interceptions... yadda yada.. Warner is over rated...
 
FeatherMAN28 said:
About the same...yes they did win over the cards which im surprised at..however Vikings are up agasint Dallas, and after they win it will be Vikings vs Saints for NFC championship. Laugh at me, call me a loser or worse, It doesnt matter really because I love being the under dog, I know the Vikings will prove everybody wrong. So its all good in my book.
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I feel like correcting this a little... Yeah I'm not sure if the Saints are going to go to their first ever superbowl but it's not because of the Vikings being in their way.. I have to correct this part... it's because of Dallas, Dallas is going to show everyone that Farve SUCKS when they play and that people are stupid for saying he's so great because theres not much to back it on... He only has ONE ring and he's not going back. Yeah he might have some passing records, or one of the biggest passers... (Also has the most interceptions record), There are better QBs than him. And if people can actually look past their bias and forget that Farve is their QB they'd see why the Vikings actually made it to the playoffs.. not FARVE.. it is because of PETERSON.

But the Cowboys are going to defeat them and defeat them hard. The Cowboys are really good this season and their deffence I'm sure will stop the Vikings in their tracks...

And well, the Cowboys are the team that defeated the Saints first... and so they could do it again, I'm not saying they will because the Saints are really good... all I'm saying that I know for sure is that the Vikings aren't going to the Superbowl...
 
mtTicklemonster said:
Um... Matt Leinard played alot of the game? You do realize that Warner went back out after halftime right? So Warner played more than half the game bc he played until he got hurt and he came back out at Halftime and the Cardnals still couldn't keep up with the Saints.. yeah you can say that it was the defense that sucked on the Cardnals, but Warner couldn't score at all.. they scored NOTHING in the second half. Cardnals kept fumblimb... Warner interceptions... yadda yada.. Warner is over rated...
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I said Matt played a lot, not the majority. Warner certainly didn't play as good as he did against the Packers, but one bad game doesn't mean a player is overrated. Even with this loss, he has the best career postseason record of all the QBs in the playoffs this season.

He may not be a top 5 QB, but he's in the top 10. If you can turn the Cardinals into a playoff team 2 years in a row, that's pretty impressive.
 
mtTicklemonster said:
Um... Matt Leinard played alot of the game? You do realize that Warner went back out after halftime right? So Warner played more than half the game bc he played until he got hurt and he came back out at Halftime and the Cardnals still couldn't keep up with the Saints.. yeah you can say that it was the defense that sucked on the Cardnals, but Warner couldn't score at all.. they scored NOTHING in the second half. Cardnals kept fumblimb... Warner interceptions... yadda yada.. Warner is over rated...
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Let's see two time MVP. Went to the Super Bowl three times. Helped turn a franchise around. And his playoff record is 9-4 including knocking out the Packers who you claimed were going to win last week based on their win 33-7 in week #17. Put Overrated in the Hall of Fame because he IS headed to Canton, OH.

Overrated: WOW!!! That is stunning.
 
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mtTicklemonster said:
I feel like correcting this a little... Yeah I'm not sure if the Saints are going to go to their first ever superbowl but it's not because of the Vikings being in their way.. I have to correct this part... it's because of Dallas, Dallas is going to show everyone that Farve SUCKS when they play and that people are stupid for saying he's so great because theres not much to back it on... He only has ONE ring and he's not going back. Yeah he might have some passing records, or one of the biggest passers... (Also has the most interceptions record), There are better QBs than him. And if people can actually look past their bias and forget that Farve is their QB they'd see why the Vikings actually made it to the playoffs.. not FARVE.. it is because of PETERSON.

But the Cowboys are going to defeat them and defeat them hard. The Cowboys are really good this season and their deffence I'm sure will stop the Vikings in their tracks...

And well, the Cowboys are the team that defeated the Saints first... and so they could do it again, I'm not saying they will because the Saints are really good... all I'm saying that I know for sure is that the Vikings aren't going to the Superbowl...
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Well...let me take the time to ask you a question...Who is going to beat who?? Dallas? wha?? wha?? Dallas? beat Minnesota? what? um... sorry charlie think again, Dallas just got their ass handed to them.

Now I don't neccesarily disagree with you on what you said about there being other QBs better than Favre, cuz theres always someone better than someone else. However, Favre has done some amazing things for this team as well as Peterson. Harvin, Shencoe, Allen, Rice...all of these guys, This entire TEAM has done amazing things this season. I laugh becuz so many people try to count them out, not give them enough credit. Yes It is very possible we could go to New Orleans and lose, then its over..done. I don't beleive that to be the case however, but non the less I'm proud of how they played this year and are continuing to play. Yeah Favre has one Ring...Now, hes looking to get a second!
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
Let's see two time MVP. Went to the Super Bowl three times. Helped turn a franchise around. And his playoff record is 9-4 including knocking out the Packers who you claimed were going to win last week based on their win 33-7 in week #17. Put Overrated in the Hall of Fame because he IS headed to Canton, OH.

Overrated: WOW!!! That is stunning.
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MrMacphisto said:
I said Matt played a lot, not the majority. Warner certainly didn't play as good as he did against the Packers, but one bad game doesn't mean a player is overrated. Even with this loss, he has the best career postseason record of all the QBs in the playoffs this season.

He may not be a top 5 QB, but he's in the top 10. If you can turn the Cardinals into a playoff team 2 years in a row, that's pretty impressive.
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Okay, sorry guys... Didn't mean to call him over rated, maybe i should change that or add something... He was a really good QB... he's not as awesome as people say he is NOW.. so now he's a little over rated. But yeah I do think he deserved to be in the hall o fam.

And in the Green Bay / Arizona game. Yeah he played well... because he had to, both offenses sucked so he had to keep up with GB after they got their butts in gear and started scoring. But both defenses sucked so they helped him play so good...

And yeah yousaid Matt L. played part of the game but you made it sound like that's why they lost. They were only like what? 2 TD's behind them at the beginning of the second half? And then He came back in the game and he couldn't score.. so I don't think Matt playing was the reason they lost since Warner couldn't score at all...

And yeah, he's probably in the top 10... And he did do good for Arizona, I'll admit that... and he should thank Farve for helping him get into the playoffs.. because he 49ers beat the Cardinals twice.. they were only 2 games behind them, if they would have stopped Farve from making that last 12 second TD, and then stopped Payton from scoring that lst minute TD they would be in the playoffs, not the Cardnals...
 
FeatherMAN28 said:
Well...let me take the time to ask you a question...Who is going to beat who?? Dallas? wha?? wha?? Dallas? beat Minnesota? what? um... sorry charlie think again, Dallas just got their ass handed to them.

Now I don't neccesarily disagree with you on what you said about there being other QBs better than Favre, cuz theres always someone better than someone else. However, Favre has done some amazing things for this team as well as Peterson. Harvin, Shencoe, Allen, Rice...all of these guys, This entire TEAM has done amazing things this season. I laugh becuz so many people try to count them out, not give them enough credit. Yes It is very possible we could go to New Orleans and lose, then its over..done. I don't beleive that to be the case however, but non the less I'm proud of how they played this year and are continuing to play. Yeah Favre has one Ring...Now, hes looking to get a second!
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Okay yes, I was wrong. I'll admit it.. it happens... the only thing I was wrong about this weekend...

And I'm glad you agree with me that people don't give the other players enough credit... I heard the Vikings made it to the playoffs last year...ya know they didn't have Farve.. They have awesome players.. I didn't know any of their other names so I couldn't name them, I just knew Petterson is really awesome, and I've seen Viking Games where Farve had nothing to do with their win, he seemedto hand it off to Peterson alot... I just get annoyed that people seem to think it's Farve that's taking them to the playoffs, when it's not.. I know I'm a little biased because I can't stand Farve, but I still think he's not the reason they're in the playoffs... They'd probably make it without him if they had another QB that was good.
 
mtTicklemonster said:
Okay, sorry guys... Didn't mean to call him over rated, maybe i should change that or add something... He was a really good QB... he's not as awesome as people say he is NOW.. so now he's a little over rated. But yeah I do think he deserved to be in the hall o fam.

And in the Green Bay / Arizona game. Yeah he played well... because he had to, both offenses sucked so he had to keep up with GB after they got their butts in gear and started scoring. But both defenses sucked so they helped him play so good...

And yeah yousaid Matt L. played part of the game but you made it sound like that's why they lost. They were only like what? 2 TD's behind them at the beginning of the second half? And then He came back in the game and he couldn't score.. so I don't think Matt playing was the reason they lost since Warner couldn't score at all...

And yeah, he's probably in the top 10... And he did do good for Arizona, I'll admit that... and he should thank Farve for helping him get into the playoffs.. because he 49ers beat the Cardinals twice.. they were only 2 games behind them, if they would have stopped Farve from making that last 12 second TD, and then stopped Payton from scoring that lst minute TD they would be in the playoffs, not the Cardnals...
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You make that statement but think about this logically...if Leinart was in the game that meant Warner was hurt correct? Then logically speaking when Warner came back into the game it is fair to say he was still hurt, right? The guy is as GOOD as they say he is. Is Warner mistake prone? Absolutely! Is Warner a top five right now in the league? No. But a top 8 right now in this league? Yes. But lets keep in mind he is 38 years old.

Also when you mention Green Bay you forgot to say he sliced up the number 2 defense in the conference. You also forgot to mention he probably got rid of the one team who could have gone to the Super Bowl had that team not been sliced up by Kurt Warner ( 26 for 30 379 yards 5 TD's and no INT's ).

You make it sound like he should apologize for the Cardinals going to the playoffs. He should not. Also...he missed a game with a concussion so it is possible he could have won that game meaning he doesn't have to thank anyone.

If this team would have done this and that team would have done that...if the 49ers were that good they wouldn't have needed ifs and buts to make the playoffs. The 49ers were just not that good. Heck you want to play the if's and but's game...the Lions were screw on that TD by the 49ers. Clearly A;ex Smith was over the line of scrimmage by a good two yards and they reviewed and STILL didn't get the call right. Maybe if ( since you like using if's and but's ) that call is reversed maybe the Lions win that game. You don't know.

Warner deserves credit for giving the Cardinals creditability. That was something that organization did not have prior to him showing up in Arizona. The man's numbers speak for themselves. He, nor the Cardinals have to apologies to anyone for being that good.

G GS ATT COMP YARDS PCT TDs INTs LONG SACKS LOST PASSER RATING
Totals 124-116 4,070-2,666 32,344 .655 208 128 85 260-1,669 93.7


NFL RECORDS
2nd Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 260.4 yards/game (Peyton Manning is first)
Highest completion percentage in a single game (regular season) - 92.3% (24/26) (9/20/09)
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Game) - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd and 3rd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 377 against the Pittsburgh Steelers and 365 against the New England Patriots).
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Career) - 1,156
Most Yards Passing, Playoffs (Single Season) - 1,147 (in 2009).
Most touchdown passes in a single postseason - 11 (in 2009, tied w/Joe Montana, who did it in 1990).
Highest career completion percentage, Playoffs - 66.5%
2nd Highest career passer rating, Playoffs - 104.6 (Bart Starr is first)
Highest Rate of Games w/300+ Yards Passing (Min. 100 games played) - 45.2% (47/104)
Most Yards Passing in the first two games of a season (2000) - 827
Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/ Steve Young and Rich Gannon)
Most Games with a perfect Passer Rating, Career (regular season only) - 3 (tied w/Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger)
Only NFL quarterback to throw 40 touchdowns and win a Super Bowl in the same season (1999).
Only quarterback to throw for over 14,000 yards with two different teams (St. Louis Rams, Arizona Cardinals)
One of only 2 players in NFL history to throw 100 touchdown passes with two different teams (Fran Tarkenton is the other)
2nd oldest quarterback to throw for 30 touchdowns in a season - Aged 37 in 2008 (Brett Favre is the oldest, aged 40 in 2009)
Tied Dan Marino as the fastest player to pass for 30,000 yards. He accomplished this in 114 games.
Tied Johnny Unitas with 4 consecutive games with a passer rating over 120 (against Brett Favre and the 10-1 Vikings on 12/6/2009)
Highest average passing yards per game on Monday Night Football - 329.4 (min 7 games)
Tied Daryle Lamonica with throwing 5 touchdown passes in two different playoff games.
Warner is the second quarterback to make Super Bowl starts with two different teams joining Craig Morton (1970 Dallas Cowboys and 1977 Denver Broncos). He also became the third quarterback in NFL history to win a conference championship with two different teams, following Craig Morton and Earl Morrall.
 
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