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School going Over board
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some1somewhere
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If it is it threatening someone, yes.
Fire_Sprite
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Can you put this into context for me?
cloudgazer2k
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perhaps not "punish", but parents should keep an eye on what their kids do on the net. it isn't up to the PTA or school board to dicipline a chile when the child does something away from school. and when the child gets in touble for messing up someone's life, or playing "pretend adult" to the muderers and molesters, the parents should take notice and get involved. i'm sorry, but when kids go on porn sites or post pictures of themselves on myspace all slutted up, mom and dad should do something. no one else is to blame but the parents.
Goodieluver
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Depends what it is but i think its garbage how they have people monitoring facebook\myspace for "saftey"
Mastertank1
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The school board should be thrown overboard.
How do they even know what the kid posted, unless they're sticking their noses where they don't belong?
How many people's privacy did they invade with no valid reason, before they found something they could noisily object to?
Who did the investigating for them, were they paid, with what money and on whose authorization?
If ther is a direct threat to the school posted in a publicly available place on the net, the police or some other agency, who are authorised to look at things like that, can notify the school. Otherwise, they have no authority to even look into that kind of thing.
Does your employer have a right to dictate what kind of sexual position you use when having sex with your spouse in complete privacy? same Idea. Even though in many states of this country many popular positions are illegal, it's none of your employer's damn business if you use one of them.
Same difference.
Mastertank1
We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.
How do they even know what the kid posted, unless they're sticking their noses where they don't belong?
How many people's privacy did they invade with no valid reason, before they found something they could noisily object to?
Who did the investigating for them, were they paid, with what money and on whose authorization?
If ther is a direct threat to the school posted in a publicly available place on the net, the police or some other agency, who are authorised to look at things like that, can notify the school. Otherwise, they have no authority to even look into that kind of thing.
Does your employer have a right to dictate what kind of sexual position you use when having sex with your spouse in complete privacy? same Idea. Even though in many states of this country many popular positions are illegal, it's none of your employer's damn business if you use one of them.
Same difference.
Mastertank1
We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.
Scenario 1
A teen write something nasty about another teen, that teen parents find out call the school to have the poster dealt with. Is it the school responsibility?
Scenario 2
Teens posted that they gang bang another classmate or that classmate went down on several other teens after school hours and not on school property. An adult find the post and refer it to the school. Does the school have responsibility?
Scenario 3
Student brag that they kick the crap out of another student one Saturday night at the mall. Does the school have responsibility?
Scenario 4
Student writes that they hate their teachers, classmate and parents and wish they was dead. Do the school steps in for the parent?
A teen write something nasty about another teen, that teen parents find out call the school to have the poster dealt with. Is it the school responsibility?
Scenario 2
Teens posted that they gang bang another classmate or that classmate went down on several other teens after school hours and not on school property. An adult find the post and refer it to the school. Does the school have responsibility?
Scenario 3
Student brag that they kick the crap out of another student one Saturday night at the mall. Does the school have responsibility?
Scenario 4
Student writes that they hate their teachers, classmate and parents and wish they was dead. Do the school steps in for the parent?
No. The school has absolutely no right to have anything to do with what children/students put on the internet when they are not using school resources to do so.
(the only exception being if the school is mentioned and involved in illegal/dangerous activities.)
(the only exception being if the school is mentioned and involved in illegal/dangerous activities.)
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Mastertank1
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The situations are different
In scenario 1, the school has no business taking any action whatsoever.
In scenario 4, the school counselor should read the post carefully, scan for similar posts by the same student, and make a decision as to the need for a counselling session. If they believe. as a professional, that counseling is needed, thier responsibility is to communicate this to the parents or legal guardian, and nothing more unless the parents then ask for the counseling to be done by the school counselor. The only possible exception to this would be if the counselor has reason to believe that the poster is a victim of child abuse at home. In that case, the school has a responsibility to look into the matter and, if there is credible evidence of abuse, inform the police.
In scenario 3, a law has been violated, and since they were made aware of it through no direct effort of their own, they do have a civic duty to take some action. Depending on the exact circumstances, that duty may be discharged by notifying the parents of the victim, or it may require notifying the police.
In scenario 2, It depends on the ages of the participants, and if the participation of the one who got gang banged was voluntary. That person should at least be asked if they participated voluntarily, in a non-judgemental atmosphere, in any case.
If all were over the legal age in their state and all were voluntary participants, the school has no right to do anything.
If any participant was under the age of consent for that state, or if the bangee did not consent to be gang banged, a law had been broken, in which case see scenario 3 above. There may be an exception in this case however; if two or more of the participants are students at the same school, they may have planned the event on school grounds before it took place. If that is the case, the crime of conspiracy was committed on school property, and is a fit matter for disciplinary action by the school, which in that case also MUST notify the police.
Mastertank1
We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.
stloldg said:
In scenario 1, the school has no business taking any action whatsoever.
In scenario 4, the school counselor should read the post carefully, scan for similar posts by the same student, and make a decision as to the need for a counselling session. If they believe. as a professional, that counseling is needed, thier responsibility is to communicate this to the parents or legal guardian, and nothing more unless the parents then ask for the counseling to be done by the school counselor. The only possible exception to this would be if the counselor has reason to believe that the poster is a victim of child abuse at home. In that case, the school has a responsibility to look into the matter and, if there is credible evidence of abuse, inform the police.
In scenario 3, a law has been violated, and since they were made aware of it through no direct effort of their own, they do have a civic duty to take some action. Depending on the exact circumstances, that duty may be discharged by notifying the parents of the victim, or it may require notifying the police.
In scenario 2, It depends on the ages of the participants, and if the participation of the one who got gang banged was voluntary. That person should at least be asked if they participated voluntarily, in a non-judgemental atmosphere, in any case.
If all were over the legal age in their state and all were voluntary participants, the school has no right to do anything.
If any participant was under the age of consent for that state, or if the bangee did not consent to be gang banged, a law had been broken, in which case see scenario 3 above. There may be an exception in this case however; if two or more of the participants are students at the same school, they may have planned the event on school grounds before it took place. If that is the case, the crime of conspiracy was committed on school property, and is a fit matter for disciplinary action by the school, which in that case also MUST notify the police.
Mastertank1
We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.
It simply depends on the situation.
If the child in question is threatening another student, teacher, or is planning some sort of "drive-by", yes by all means shout it through the rooftops. Otherwise, I really could care less what teenagers think. 😱
If the child in question is threatening another student, teacher, or is planning some sort of "drive-by", yes by all means shout it through the rooftops. Otherwise, I really could care less what teenagers think. 😱
Ticklerguy4u
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Even though I am not a parent. I think one of the problems with society is that we are advancing generation by generation. Why I say this is I believe it should be the parents responsibility first then if nothing is done the school can take over just a concern but they should speak to the parents before they take any action and assess why nothing was done.
I myself grew up in the computer age (obviously) but my parents are pretty much out of the generation loop. They didn't grow up with a computer..although they have one..they only use it once in a while to play numbers..etc. I believe a parent should understand what the child is involved in. For instance, video games. I know plenty of parents that don't know what a xbox is from a playstation. This causes the child to play any kind of game they want because the parents have no idea what it is or if it involves anything destructive.
Don't get me wrong I am a avid gamer and am not one of the belivers that they are corrupting our youth. I believe a person is responsible for they're own actions. Even a child..however that is up to the parents to instill a certain intelligence and wisdom in the child's behavior. Does it always work..no..but if it constantly paid attention to it may be avoided. Its up to the parents to know the difference between a MP3 to a Ipod and what they are used for. So to answer the question, I say if the parents arent doing what is needed then a school should be involved even it's after school because what the child displays at home he also carries to the school.
I myself grew up in the computer age (obviously) but my parents are pretty much out of the generation loop. They didn't grow up with a computer..although they have one..they only use it once in a while to play numbers..etc. I believe a parent should understand what the child is involved in. For instance, video games. I know plenty of parents that don't know what a xbox is from a playstation. This causes the child to play any kind of game they want because the parents have no idea what it is or if it involves anything destructive.
Don't get me wrong I am a avid gamer and am not one of the belivers that they are corrupting our youth. I believe a person is responsible for they're own actions. Even a child..however that is up to the parents to instill a certain intelligence and wisdom in the child's behavior. Does it always work..no..but if it constantly paid attention to it may be avoided. Its up to the parents to know the difference between a MP3 to a Ipod and what they are used for. So to answer the question, I say if the parents arent doing what is needed then a school should be involved even it's after school because what the child displays at home he also carries to the school.
